Euronews: Cease-fire holds in eastern Ukraine except for Mariupol region

[uhnope]

Source: Kiev Post

Day two of no casualties for the Ukrainian army as the latest ceasefire enters its 12th day, and Kyiv is pulling its heavy weapons back from the lines hammered out at the Minsk peace talks.

However the fighting is shifting further south and fears are now that the port city of Mariupol will become the next battleground.

“We noticed almost no shelling In the directions of Luhansk, Debaltseve and Donetsk, but in Mariupol and in particular in Shyrokino, 20 kilometres from the city we observed frequent shooting at our positions. There were attempts to storm ATO forces’ positions, and in the village of Shyrokino itself,” said the Ukrainian Army spokesman Aleksander Motuzianyk.

The Russian-backed rebels were also on the move, but they claimed they had no information about any Ukrainian withdrawal of heavy weapons from the frontline.

Read more: https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/euronews-cease-fire-holds-in-eastern-ukraine-except-for-mariupol-region-video-382035.html

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Putin will not stop until he has invaded and occupied all of eastern Ukraine and put it under his fascist control.

[Purveyor]

1. Ukraine: Reports Of Fresh Casualties Put Truce Under Strain

Reports suggest three Ukrainian soldiers were killed in fighting in the east of the country on Friday (February 27).

It is unclear whether there have been any casualties on the side of the separatists.

In the eastern city of Soledar, under the watchful eye of OSCE observers, the ceasefire appears to be being upheld. According to the OSCE’s Laurence Couture Gagnon, heavy weapons are being withdrawn from the area.

However our correspondent, Sergio Cantone, reports a certain feeling of scepticism about the truce, with both sides seeming to expect the worst. After 48 hours of apparent calm, there are reports of renewed fighting in the separatist capital Donetsk and elsewhere.

http://www.euronews.com/2015/02/27/ukraine-reports-of-fresh-casualties-put-truce-under-strain/

[Scootaloo]

2. Article says "Cease-fire holds"

Your op-edding says otherwise.

Should I believe the article, or you?

[Comrade Grumpy]

3. This guy is a one-trick pony.

He even sees Russian cooperation on keeping the international space station going as evidence of Putin trying to create a new Cold War.

[uhnope]

6. & I'm sure you have a nuanced views of Putin's fascism, homophobic attacks on Russians, and

slow destruction of human rights and democractic freedoms in Russia.

We're waiting.

[Scootaloo]

10. How does Ukraine measure up on those issues?

Land of liberty, love, and equality, I'm sure.

[uhnope]

14. rhetorical failure, like your predictions

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014811221#post1

[Scootaloo]

16. Well, it wasn't an untoward prediction

Rich dude comes to power in an unstable country. Tends to have a fairly regular result. How long have you been holding on to that, by the way?

And I want to know. How does Poroshenko's Ukraine measure up in the fields you expressed concern for?

[uhnope]

23. overpaid.

[bananas]

25. I was genuinely surprised to see him do that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141024604

[Man from Pickens]

26. don't be

It should be unmistakable by now that that poster has one interest and one interest only: fomenting war. Hence the vicious disrespect for those who have other opinions. This is exactly the kind of behavior I experienced arguing with Bush lovers for so many years. Either you swallow every claim whole, no matter how hysterical and/or ludicrous, or you are the enemy.

[uhnope]

5. Try reading past the first three words of the headline, sir

[Scootaloo]

7. I did. Trouble is it still contradicts your assertion

if "Putin will not stop" then... why is the case-fire holding? 'Cause when a cease-fire holds, that strongly implies stoppage.

[7962]

8. See reply 4

[Scootaloo]

9. Are you vouching for that assertion, 7962?

Becuase after your promotion of Steven Emerson's lying Fox news bullshit (accidentl, I'm sure) I'm afraid I find your positions and statements a little dubious.

[7962]

11. After Crimea, we were told by the DU Putin fan club that he had no desire for E Ukraine.

And that was shown to be false. Believing that NOW he REALLY means he's finished is an opinion visited upon fools. I seem to remember the same group also flatly stating that there were no Russian troops in Ukraine too. Another falsehood that most never believed. The flow of caskets into Russia shows it was NEVER true.

Eta: My assertions and links regarding the no-go zones referred to areas of France, not UK. Many here saw the story about the Fox guy and immediately included ALL Europe. Stories published years back by such right wing rags as the New York Times, among others, backed their existence. Your own link backs their existence in france, with some hand-wringing about exactly what to call it. I'm not going to discount all the stories published over the years just because some politicians got their feelings hurt.
But you keep on whistling past the graveyard if you like.

[Scootaloo]

12. I'm torn between which completely unreliable source I should unquestioningly believe

Putin Boot-lickers, or Svoboda slobber-dogs.

Hmmmm.

One sources RT constantly, the other usually sounds like Pem Gellar on meth.

hmmmmm.

[7962]

13. True enough! I guess it depends on which one you view as the bigger threat!

I dont think the Ukrainians have any objectives outside their own country. I doubt anyone can honestly say the same about Russia

[Scootaloo]

15. So how many nukes should we smash into Russia, and how soon?

[7962]

17. If Ukraine hadnt given theirs up for Russia's "peaceful coexistence", we'd know!

Ukraine should've looked at N Korea and kept what they had and Russia would've never started anything.

[Scootaloo]

18. I meant US nukes.

[7962]

19. I'd send none.

[Scootaloo]

20. Well, if they're such a dire threat...?

Why not just give Russia the Iraq treatment like we did when Iraq was an immediate threat?

Or, you know, like we did to Iraq for whatever reason we did that to Iraq.

[7962]

21. Well, we usually dont start out a conflict by sending nukes.

Not to mention russia would just send their own version back to us.
I dont understand why you're so easily buying what Putin's selling. Have you read his statements about what he wants to achieve? he isnt hiding his ambitions.

[Scootaloo]

22. Oh, I'm not buying anything from Putin

You see, I paid good attention when all this started up, and I came to a few conclusions, which amounts to neither side being worth my support. Ukraine started this shit by taking an ultra-nationalist swing and turning against its ethnic Russian population. The Russians in Ukraine responded pretty much in kind. Russia does as Russia does and got involved, improving exactly nothing whatsoever.

As far as I have been able to tell, every faction in this fight is a suppurating pack of worthless fuckheads who no progressive should ever sign on with. Do you want militant Ukrainian fascists? Violent ethnic Russian nationalists? Not-very-sneaky Russian occupation forces? It's a wide open field, so long as you don't mind choosing between three different colors of sheep excrement.

However, I do find the breathless outrage and fearmongering on DU to be rather amusing. As if any of these people ever saw an occupation-turned annexation they didn't like. You notice how Uhnope there won't tell me about Ukraine's record on gay rights, women's rights, minority rights? because Ukraine's no shining beacon of hope, itself, and largely mirrors Russia's. And when you get right down to it, most of the people howling for Putin's head on DU would be hailing him as a blessed new tsar, if only Ed Snowden's hipster ass had gotten parked in the Kiev airport instead.

If DU'ers want a fight with Russia so very bad, then a flight to Kiev only costs about grand and a half. Brush up on your cyrillic, don't mind the Nazi insignias your buddies are wearing, and get to fightin' them ruskies.

[elias49]

24. Bravo! Well said.

It's not our fight.
And if I read corporate media with a jaundiced eye, it's because they've burned me before, not because I'm Rootin for Putin.
I hate this country's endless imperialism..starting when I was just a kid and the US went to VietNam
and Laos, and Cambodia..
Then the 70s-80s the US did a southern push into Central and South America
and eastern asia and the southern islands
and the mid-east for decades..

if this were a game of "Risk" you'd see US armies all over the board.
I'm thinking we could survive as a nation without try to make eastern Europe safe for American banks.
IDK just a ramble.

[Nitram]

4. Of course, the cease fire holds except...

...where Russian-backed rebels want to gain more territory.