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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNow that Obamacare has withstood the court will Iatrogenocide go into high gear?
Consider:
As of the year 2000, 12,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery, 7,000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals, 20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals, 80,000 deaths/year from nosocomial infections in hospital, and 106,000 deaths/year from nonerror, adverse effects of medications.
Source: Barbara Starfield, "Is US health really the best in the world?", JAMA, July 26, 2000 (http://www.drug-education.info/documents/iatrogenic.pdf)
Did you read that last number? 106,000 deaths per year from nonerror, adverse effects from prescribed medicine? In the past 12 years since the publication there have been nearly 1.3 million people who have been killed by FDA approved drugs.
And now the pharmaceutical industry has a larger pool to kill.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Lol - clearly this post was one of the many created by the GOP prior to the verdict should it not go in their favor.
Advice to disruptors: if you're going to try and manipulate people with your posts, do it right will ya? Posts like the op are too contrived to dissuade anyone.
Citation provided.
gotnoscript
(21 posts)Would beg to differ, if they could.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)I second the derp derp derp derp
WilliamPitt
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tjwash
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WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Win.
Sinistrous
(4,249 posts)WilliamPitt
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pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)For that example alone I am going to resume volunteering for jury duty.
Thank you for posting.
Don
uppityperson
(115,684 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Derp.
-Juror #5.
Whoa_Nelly
(21,236 posts)Derp
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)1?
None?
If you are making an argument that FDA approved drugs must be 100% free of risk, you might as well wave a dead toad over a prayer book for the kind of health care we would have.
It just doesn't work that way. I have AIDS and heart disease. By all rights, I should have died 12 years ago when I had 22 t-cells and pneumonia and weighed 110 lbs.
I'm still alive today to post this, despite the fact that some people have very severe and even fatal reactions to very medications that saved my life (Sulfa antibiotics for the pneumonia and a triple antiviral regimen).
It is likely that the same medications that saved my life were involved in the heart attack I had in October.
There is a risk to adding chemicals to your body to treat a disease. The adverse reactions you speak of are not something that drug companies created out of boredom.
And while there are problems with not reporting those risks in the trial process, you are rarely going to bring something to market that has absolutely no risk to every individual who takes it.
So I don't understand what you are proposing. Most of these drugs are the exact same drugs used in countries that have socialized medicine.
blue neen
(12,342 posts)Yep.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I am so excited about obamacare I am seriously considering having my 3 bottom ribs removed. It will only make my bustline more prominent. So tell us, what unnecessary medical treatment are you going to get?
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)Oh, wait. You said "unnecessary".
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Obama's a total socialist, and he's going to personally approve the removal of 3 sets of my ribs for FREE. That's what ACA is for, right?
gotnoscript
(21 posts)"If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
But I guess quoting from Jefferson is too radical these days.
Ciao.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Just like I'm sure forcing you to have police protection and fire protection is tyranny.
Bring on the tyranny!
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I live in Sweden, where we pay a small fee to see the doctor, and slightly more to go to the hospital. Trust me, nobody here is jealous of the American health care system.
It sounds like the American health care system just got slightly better than it was.
barbtries
(28,845 posts)who?
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)but that hasn't stopped the right from misrepresenting quotes before. Here is the original quote:
"Had not free enquiry been indulged, at the area of the reformation, the corruptions of Christianity could not have been purged away. If it be restrained now, the present corruptions will be protected, and new ones encouraged. Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now. "
~Thomas Jefferson from "Notes on the State of Virginia"
Do you wear a seat belt? Pay for water and electricity? Pay taxes for the roads you drive on? Tyranny!!! Allowing everyone access to affordable healthcare, regardless of pre-existing conditions, and expecting everyone to contribute - and providing a way for everyone to contribute, instead of forcing the populace that is covered to pay for ER visits for the uncovered is TYRANNY!
gotnoscript
(21 posts)I really think it quite humorous that you think I'm some sort of right-wing nut. My family would be laughing their pants off. This insurance mandate has little to do with getting everyone medical care. If the government were truly concerned about the uninsured health coverage all they had to do was extend Medicare to everyone. And if they were really interested in people's health they'd be more concerned about preventing diseases instead of letting drug companies profit from treating them by letting the FDA approve drugs for some "diseases" that are clearly made up then marketed on the nightly news. There's a huge conflict of interest. This is simply a tax-subsidy for the medical establishment. That's how it was sold to them.
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)blue neen
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Rotavirus
All of these vaccines are covered under the ACA:
"The Affordable Care Act the health insurance reform legislation passed by Congress and signed into law by President Obama on March 23 will help make prevention affordable and accessible for all Americans by requiring health plans to cover preventive services and by eliminating cost sharing. According to new regulations released by the U.S. Departments of Health and Human Services (HHS), Labor, and the Treasury, if an individual or family enrolls in a new health plan on or after September 23, 2010, then that plan will be required to cover recommended preventive services without charging a deductible, copayment or coinsurance. Expanding access to preventive care can improve health outcomes."
I guess people shouldn't get these vaccines, though, because they are manufactured by drug companies. After all, they're trying to kill us!
maddezmom
(135,060 posts)ACA might keep some of us around for a long time.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I don't think you're a right wing nut-- simply a dogmatic idiot who places more faith in sub-literate conspiracy theories than in actual medicine-- two wholly separate things.
(I guess it's about time I had my first post hidden by a jury decision... but my, oh my-- that did feel nice)
WilliamPitt
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Taverner
(55,476 posts)NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Thank you for your concern.