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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor-Profit Prison denies healthcare based on "protocols", prisoner dies.
http://www.startribune.com/local/160197995.htmlAn inmate with a history of seizures was denied emergency care by a prison nurse who overrode a doctor's orders for an ambulance, and within an hour the man suffered irreversible brain damage that led to his death, according to documents obtained by the Star Tribune.
Although prisoner Xavius Scullark-Johnson had suffered multiple seizures over a period of hours, a nurse at the state prison in Rush City cited "protocols" in turning away an ambulance team sent to take him to a nearby hospital, crew reports show.
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Don't people know that the "protocol" is that costs must be kept down?
How do people expect a for-profit prison to PROFIT, if they are forced to spend money on low-life prisoners?
xchrom
(108,903 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)even viewed as valuable assets requiring maintenance):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002842508
duhneece
(4,093 posts)Thank you.
malaise
(267,464 posts)The entire system has failed
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)public cost while generating private profit, exactly what it is intended to do. Spending thousand dollars on drugs and hospital care for a prisoner scheduled to be released in three months isn't cost effective. Any fines or judgments imposed by the DOJ are just part of the cost of doing business, no different than bribing politicians. If, by some miracle, a civil judgement of sufficient award was granted, the company would just declare bankruptcy, disappear for awhile and reemerge later under a different name, get another contract (maybe with the same state) and be back in business, generating private profits, with public money at the expense of public morality.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)edited to add:
it is ironic that we need to turn people into owned commodities to garner a measure of humane treatment
spanone
(135,586 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)I love how they diagnose from a phone.
Ilsa
(61,656 posts)should have her license revoked. The DA should consider bringing her up on charges. Stories of her incarceration in a for-profit prison will send a clear message to medical professionals about whom their first duty is to. And it ain't the fucking employer.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)What will the people who write protocols say.
And, are the protocols written in a way so as to extort a decision from a nurse.
TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)However, I refuse to Godwin my own thread.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)But, it is hard to find that universally acceptable indication of evil without resorting to the absolutism of the word evil itself.
Wish us all luck.
Ian David
(69,059 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)from private for-profit non-prison healthcare?
Insurance companies have "protocols" developed to maximize their profits. People DIE because of it, every fucking day. And every year those protocols are going to get a little more lethal because every year profits MUST go up. Is it worse for prisoners? No doubt- but they're just on the (b)leading edge of the protocols the insurance cartel have also planned for YOU. The insurance corporations know that, even if lots of people here are still in denial. Hell, a majority of the inmates around here still applaud the idea of MAKING US ALL PRISONERS of the health insurance Mafia, from cradle to early grave.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)On the plus side all the investors & 401k's get to make a little extra money every time someone is denied life saving procedures. So at least they can celebrate.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)diabeticman
(3,121 posts)use abuse and feed on.
dickthegrouch
(3,144 posts)TBF
(31,892 posts)for profit is the key here ... capitalism kills
liberalla
(9,131 posts)Recent change in medication - cutting his dose in half.
I bet it was done to save money. Another cost cutting decision... Dollars first, Humans last.
And WTF with that nurse??!! Does she get a bonus or something for reducing costs?
Bastards.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)I don't know how they ever came into existence in the first place. I heard some lobby group is responsible but I can't remember which one but it sounded par for the course of some greedy, money hungry, evil group. I hope they get outlawed as illegal and inhumane. The sad thing is...state and federal prisons also need a lot of improvements and aren't much better. Our whole prison system needs an overhaul!
rdking647
(5,113 posts)arrest the corporation for murder and execute it. take its body (assets) into custody of the state.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Score!! Ding, ding, ding. (The crowd roars)
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)Seems like a shortsighted policy to me, unless they did the math and decided that it cost too much to keep him and they wouldn't be able to recoup on their "investment."
Smart parasites don't actually kill the host.
Smilo
(1,944 posts)what a sad, meaningless, awful way to die.
America should be extremely worried about these for-profit prisons - they pay less and provide less benefits and hire just about anyone. They are not concerned with who they are holding or why - in their dictionary "humane" does not exist - all they care about is cramming as many people into a room as possible and taking money hand over fist from the state/city coffers.
Here are some interesting - warning depressing - links:
http://www.nola.com/prisons/
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/26/opinion/blow-plantations-prisons-and-profits.html?_r=3
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-donnelly/private-prisons_b_1097667.html
http://www.bestoftheinternets.com/political/video/Scary-Private-Prison-Presentation-For-Investors.html
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greiner3
(5,214 posts)of the first ambulance Garin sent away she got as a bonus?
"In fact, Garin wrote that Johnson was "alert, his vital signs were stable and he responded appropriately" -- the opposite of what the crew observed."
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)and they will want it settled as quickly as possible.
The nurse on the other hand could very well face criminal charges. At the very least she will lose her job and her license.
Heads will most definitely roll on this thing.
Meiko
(1,076 posts)"for profit" next to something there is going to be trouble. Since when does a jail house nurse have the authority to override a doctors orders? She needs her nursing license revoked and to be prosecuted for wrongful death. Where was the doctor? He didn't follow up? I would be asking him some questions as well. The lawyers are gathering for the lawsuit as we type this. I wonder what the real figure is for people in prison not getting proper medical care, I'll bet it's horrendous.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)The company formed in 2011 through the $250 million merger of the publicly traded America Service Group, the parent of PHS Correctional Healthcare (PHS), and Valitás Health Services, the parent of Correctional Medical Services (CMS). Now the country's top prison health care contractor, Corizon, through PHS and CMS, provides medical care and pharmacy services to more than 400 state prisons, municipal jails, and other correctional facilities in 31 states. The combination leverages PHS's contracts with almost 60 prisons and jails with CMS's history offering dental, mental health, and optometry services, as well as substance abuse treatment through Genesis Behavioral Services."
As a private concern Corizon does not have to divulge 98% as much of their business ops as whichever formerly traded company this happened under. "Durn pesky SEC rules and regs, we'll just go private and to hell with letting ANYBODY see what we're up to."
clang1
(884 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)That is the ONLY way many people can get any type of justice in this godforsaken country.
DeSwiss
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- It won't bring him back but these assholes need to be SUED until they SCREAM!!!!!!!!
K&R
raccoon
(31,084 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,029 posts)to operate them in the U.S.
Incarceration should be solely in the domain of the state and there should be no profit motive for imprisoning the American People.
Thanks for the thread, TalkingDog.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and for medics to be rather worried in the field.
Nurse should have licence revoked at the very least.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)in a prison or in a mental hospital to begin with ?
diane in sf
(3,899 posts)DLevine
(1,788 posts)Peaceful Protester
(280 posts)"People first, then money, then things." -- Suze Orman
Yet, another example of the Republican political agenda of deregulation and privatization which is designed around: money first (profit), then things (corporations), then people. The social contract is being eroded by the Republican political agenda and ideology.
For centuries, missionaries sought to spread the Gospel far and wide. They believed the Bible could teach us how to become better people. If evangelicals are correct, about the ability of the Gospel to transform us into new beings, then the answer to the recidivism rate would be found here and not in for profit prisons.