Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:44 PM
Jack Rabbit (40,750 posts)
What if the November election is stolen under Citizens United?Last edited Sat Jun 16, 2012, 08:37 PM USA/ET - Edit history (3)
The Citizens United decision is among the most egregious ever to come down from the Supreme Court. It raises the specter that the future of America will be dominated by elected officials who are dependent on campaign financing from a few wealthy donors seeking to purchase favors and votes. Some these donors may even by driven by ideologies that are hostile to democracy or the very concept of society, such as the doctrines of Ayn Rand or the conspiracy theories of the John Birch Society, whose founder declared that President Eisenhower was a "conscious, dedicated agent of the Communist Conspiracy."
Moreover, many legislatures dominated by such purchased politicians as a result of the election of 2010 have sought to entrench their power by passing laws making it difficult for some citizens to cast a legal vote. We haven't even started to talk about the possibilities of mischief made with unaccountable voting machines. Democracy cannot be for sale to the highest bidder and still be democracy. The amount of money going into this election will make the results suspect, to say the least, especially if the Republicans "win." Even the Democrats who survive the mine field of corporate cash and voter suppression might be suspected of being bought. In any case, it is unlikely that very many honest populists will emerge victorious in November in this kind of election environment. No contest held in this kind of environment can be regarded as a free and fair election. The only thing being done to stop this nightmare is the Department of Justice writing a strongly worded letter to Florida Governor Rick Scott concerning his efforts to purge voters from the rolls. Although the targets of this purge are clearly Latino voters other than Cubans, Governor Scott's first response is to flip the bird at the Obama Administration. Governor Scott obviously thinks he can rig the election in Florida and get away with it. A victory by Republicans, reactionaries and corporate fascists in November will have the following consequences:
We need to prepare for the worst case, starting now. We cannot wait until after the election to see how bad things are going to get before beginning countermeasures to circumvent a kleptocratic, corporate controlled police state. Among the ideas I would toss out for general consumption are:
These are desperate measures, but the future of America may be desperate times. It will not be the shining beacon on a hill, but a pit envisioned by Dante or Milton.
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| Jack Rabbit | Jun 2012 | OP | |
| randome | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| RC | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
| randome | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
| rhett o rick | Jun 2012 | #17 | |
| RC | Jun 2012 | #23 | |
| rhett o rick | Jun 2012 | #24 | |
| KamaAina | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
| Jack Rabbit | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| mmonk | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| Jack Rabbit | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
| madrchsod | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
| Jack Rabbit | Jun 2012 | #10 | |
| panader0 | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
| madamesilverspurs | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| Jack Rabbit | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
| turtlerescue1 | Jun 2012 | #33 | |
| GarroHorus | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
| socialist_n_TN | Jun 2012 | #21 | |
| Jack Rabbit | Jun 2012 | #27 | |
| Solly Mack | Jun 2012 | #14 | |
| mainer | Jun 2012 | #15 | |
| Scootaloo | Jun 2012 | #16 | |
| Jack Rabbit | Jun 2012 | #18 | |
| Scootaloo | Jun 2012 | #19 | |
| Jack Rabbit | Jun 2012 | #20 | |
| Fla_Democrat | Jun 2012 | #22 | |
| socialist_n_TN | Jun 2012 | #25 | |
| bluedigger | Jun 2012 | #31 | |
| Jack Rabbit | Jun 2012 | #26 | |
| rustydog | Jun 2012 | #28 | |
| madinmaryland | Jun 2012 | #29 | |
| Jack Rabbit | Jun 2012 | #35 | |
| AJTheMan | Jun 2012 | #30 | |
| Comrade_McKenzie | Jun 2012 | #32 | |
| Fire Walk With Me | Jun 2012 | #34 |
Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:47 PM
randome (13,975 posts)
1. Money only makes a sizeable difference when there is an almost evenly divided electorate.
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The electorate is still divided but, thankfully, Romney is such a weak candidate that I don't think he could win if he outspent Obama by a billion dollars. There is a point of diminishing returns for endless money.
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Response to randome (Reply #1)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:58 PM
RC (21,861 posts)
6. If Romney get in, he won't be in charge anyway. He will be a puppet, a ceremonial piece in front of
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the curtain, nothing more.
With the rigged electronic voting machines and other election frauds being put in place, he could very well "win". |
Response to RC (Reply #6)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:00 PM
randome (13,975 posts)
8. Yeah, Romney is so weak-willed, we don't know who would be in charge!
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He probably wouldn't know, either!
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Response to RC (Reply #6)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:37 PM
rhett o rick (27,738 posts)
17. Great parallels to Bush II. Many didnt think he would get in either.f
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And the Repukes have improved their fraud methods. They know that the American public will not do anything if they steal another election.
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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #17)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:02 PM
RC (21,861 posts)
23. I'm afraid you're correct.
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Most other Democratic countries would be rioting in the streets by now. What do we have? Afternoon meetings in parks?
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Response to RC (Reply #23)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:07 PM
rhett o rick (27,738 posts)
24. Repeat after me the conservative/centrist pledge: "It aint affecting me directly so leave it alone."
Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:50 PM
KamaAina (45,641 posts)
2. "anthropomorphic climate change"? Are you kidding me?
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'anthropomorphic' means 'like a human being', for instance, Bugs Bunny. The word you're looking for is 'anthropogenic': 'caused by human beings."
And that is the only minor quibble I have with this. |
Response to KamaAina (Reply #2)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:54 PM
Jack Rabbit (40,750 posts)
4. Muchas gracias, seņor
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!!
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Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:51 PM
mmonk (47,326 posts)
3. You mean bought.
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I admit the consequences will be devastating if it happens. Actually, 2010 was devastating. This would be the nail in the coffin.
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Response to mmonk (Reply #3)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:56 PM
Jack Rabbit (40,750 posts)
5. Yes, I mean bought.
Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:00 PM
madrchsod (55,891 posts)
7. my kids , grand-kids,great grand-kids are screwed...
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and so will vast majority in this country
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Response to madrchsod (Reply #7)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:06 PM
Jack Rabbit (40,750 posts)
10. Exactly. Mine, too. What are we going to do about it?
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I hope nobody's answer is to just let it happen and take it. I put some ideas up, now give me some of your own. Not just you, madrchsod, everybody.
I don't have any grandkids yet, but I do have a grandnephew and a grandniece. |
Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:05 PM
panader0 (9,610 posts)
9. If that happens, a lot of those "detention camps" will get filled. nt
Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:18 PM
madamesilverspurs (6,802 posts)
11. They'd claim they didn't steal anything.
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Waving a copy of the Citizens United decision, they'd say "Here's the receipt, we bought the election fair and square!"
But when Obama kicks butt in November and gets re-elected, good luck to 'em when they try to get a refund... - |
Response to madamesilverspurs (Reply #11)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:22 PM
Jack Rabbit (40,750 posts)
12. You know they're going to wave the Citizens United decision and I know it
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Do we need to buy it? That decision was corrupt and the product of corrupt justices.
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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #12)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:41 PM
turtlerescue1 (1,013 posts)
33. SO-
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Per Ralph Nader, 2008, yep-2008! Corporations need to be NOT State Chartered, but Federally Chartered, and applications need to be one by one. We're a long way from getting to that place. BUT I knew it started before this episode, thanks to Ralph, 1886 Santa Clara Co. vs
Southern Pacific RR. There is HOPE, but crap, its like everything fought for in those Sixties: it won't be easy or quick or painless. Still if it were easy, would it be worth having? |
Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:24 PM
GarroHorus (1,055 posts)
13. For one thing, that wouldn't be "stealing" the election.
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It would be buying the election.
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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #13)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 08:42 PM
socialist_n_TN (8,461 posts)
21. Meh. Six of one, half dozen of the other........
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First they'll try to buy it. If that doesn't work, they'll try to steal it. That's not in question. The question is what are we going to do about it?
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Response to socialist_n_TN (Reply #21)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:29 PM
Jack Rabbit (40,750 posts)
27. WHat do you call buying something that is supposed to be free (and fair)?
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Whether you call it buying or stealing it's illegitimate.
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Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:33 PM
Solly Mack (49,798 posts)
14. What happened the last time a presidential election was stolen?
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Some outrage and then nothing will be done about it.
News readers will speak of 'bloodless' changes of power, as they are wont to do, in an effort to emphasis how great America is and how wonderful our system of choosing elected leaders is - as opposed to those countries that suffer coups every now and then. As for your predictions, I dunno. I make none. I just know it'll be bad. Very bad. |
Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:41 PM
mainer (6,688 posts)
15. It would be the fault of Americans themselves
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for letting money sway how they vote. And the country would get what it deserves.
The only reason "Citizens United" is a threat is because too many Americans are too damn stupid to educate themselves. A moronic populace can only blame itself. Sorry, but I'm so fed up with the voters that I DO want to give up. When over half of Americans believe in some form of creationism, I think it's hopeless. |
Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:10 PM
Scootaloo (6,069 posts)
16. You want my solution? You probably won't like it. It's not very Gandhi...
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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #16)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:40 PM
Jack Rabbit (40,750 posts)
18. Can we discuss that after we overthrow an illegitimate government?
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I mean, we mustn't get ahead of ourselves.
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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #18)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:41 PM
Scootaloo (6,069 posts)
19. Ba dum-bump TISH!
Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 08:38 PM
Jack Rabbit (40,750 posts)
20. Just added an important point
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Austerity measures will be resisted.
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Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 08:51 PM
Fla_Democrat (1,871 posts)
22. Say 'Hello' to Wesley Snipes for me
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I loved him in Blade.....
Refuse to pay taxes to governments whose officers are purchased by campaign financing or authorized by legislative bodies purchased by campaign financing or elected under rules excluding some eligible voters. |
Response to Fla_Democrat (Reply #22)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:17 PM
socialist_n_TN (8,461 posts)
25. So are they going to jail us all if we refuse to pay taxes?
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Or even if a solid percentage refuse to pay.
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Response to socialist_n_TN (Reply #25)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:36 PM
bluedigger (10,716 posts)
31. Most of us worker drones have our taxes withheld.
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They don't really care if you don't file, in fact, they prefer it - you just don't get a refund.
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Response to Fla_Democrat (Reply #22)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:27 PM
Jack Rabbit (40,750 posts)
26. Come, come, my good man
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When I was a boy, I was sort of child who had nightmares about getting in trouble with authority. I suppose nothing has changed. After all, the Koch brothers, or politicians answering to them, are no authority.
And is a mass tax strike any more outrageous than passing a voter ID law? |
Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:47 PM
rustydog (8,140 posts)
28. Rhetorical question? No fucking duh, that is what CU is all about
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The sellling of the presidency, congress to the highest bidder...corporations, foreign money and billlionaires
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Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:53 PM
madinmaryland (53,182 posts)
29. Very well written, JR. Don't forget that Willard also supports the
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designated hitter rule.
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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #29)
Sun Jun 17, 2012, 12:00 AM
Jack Rabbit (40,750 posts)
35. He does? I didn't know that
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As a reason to oppose his candidacy, I don't rank it very high. But it's still better one than that he is a Mormon.
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Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:07 PM
AJTheMan (288 posts)
30. It just goes to show how Republicans are willing to do anything -- even vote rigging -- to win. nt
Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:56 PM
Comrade_McKenzie (2,526 posts)
32. Then I hope a rebellion will not be too far off. nt
Response to Jack Rabbit (Original post)
Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:48 PM
Fire Walk With Me (37,497 posts)
34. Unless CU is eliminated, November is already bought and sold.
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Sometimes money doesn't matter as with California's recent governor race, BUT...
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