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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsColin Kaepernick's practice socks appear to disrespect the police
The quarterback has been wearing them since at least Aug. 10.
Kaepernick hasn't been asked about his socks yet, but it wouldn't be shocking to find out that it's part of his statement that he's trying to make against police brutality.
It's definitely no accident that Kaepernick's wearing these in practice, and there's also no question that the socks were designed to make fun of cops.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/look-colin-kaepernicks-practice-socks-appear-to-disrespect-the-police/
Aristus
(66,587 posts)Less awful than being an unarmed young black man getting shot by a cop for no reason, I'm guessing...
Cue the carefully crafted, prime-time-ready outrage...
pintobean
(18,101 posts)or the 49ers? The cops he's crapping on provide security for this guy so he can make his millions. He's a distraction. He's hurting his team and the league. His value goes down with every new story about his selfish look-at-me antics. Tonight he goes to San Diego where the Chargers will be saluting the military. Big military town - he might be appreciating that police protection.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)I'm a vet. I don't use twitter and never claim to speak for the military. I wonder how many actual vets really support him trash talking cops. BLM using a hashtag doesn't mean much here.
I'm not talking about his right to sit during the anthem - I support that. It goes a hell of a lot deeper than that.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)His socks, nor his sitting during the anthem to protest the racial bias in the police department, do not harm you in any way, shape or form.
I wonder how many vets appreciated the San Francisco officers who trashed talked minorities.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)who bring their politics and activism to work? It's disruptive and unrelated to the business.
What does, or doesn't, effect me is irrelevant. Like you, I'm not an NFL player. That hasn't stopped you from opining on this issue for days. It's not going to stop me.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I'm not sure why this subject upsets you so much. I'm a huge NFL fan, I am certain that once the anthem is finished, the players will take the field and not give it another thought.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Athletes in the US have a long history of speaking up about political issues that affect their communities. Kapernick is not obligated to protect your widdle fee-fees. Your opinion of such cultural luminaries and leaders as Jesse Owens ("I realized now that militancy in the best sense of the word was the only answer where the black man was concerned, that any black man who wasn't a militant in 1970 was either blind or a coward." , Tommie Smith, John Carlos, Mohammed Ali, Labron James and scores of others is completely inconsequential. But by all means, keep airing your grievances: they reveal much about you and little about those you think you are in a position to judge.
citood
(550 posts)With Jesse Owens.
Sit down for the anthem - yawn.
Paint all cops as pigs - now he's trying to be an asshole.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)But I'm sure opinions vary widely as we aren't monolithic.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)on the border of advocating violence as a response to political expression.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)He'll be getting an earful, and the cops around him will be a comfort for him.
I won't be there, and I'm not suggesting anyone do anything. I'm looking at likelihood and possibility. Luckily, Chargers fans are not like Philly fans. I doubt there will be, and hope there won't be, any violence. Like Kap, the fans have every right to voice their opinion, though.
point missed, by you......purposefully I imagine.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)He has fame, and a voice. Should he remain quiet about a very real, and present social issue? Or should he speak in his own way for those with no voice? You know, like that unarmed black homeless woman the SFPD killed? The very same PD that is under investigation by the Justice Department right now.
So you have a guy wearing funny socks, which you equate to a metaphor for taking a bowel movement on a particular group. A group who have personally shot 11 unarmed people in the past 5 years. Socks may hurt the little delicate flower's feelings, but the police hurt people.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)black citizens? Why the hell do you think he owes them anyfucking thing for doing thed job they are paid well to do. If cops could control their racial biases, black folks would not need piggy socks to express ourselves. I see no concern for black lives in this op nor in the police.
mountain grammy
(26,693 posts)It's astonishing, maddening and dangerous and so much more.
I love those socks!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)He's a moron.
Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)demmiblue
(36,952 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)I hope I can find a pair like those.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)proudly The purpose of all protest to me is to try to make this country a better place for all. It's plain as day that many don't desire that this country be a better place for all.
frankieallen
(583 posts)Iggo
(47,628 posts)It's a pair of socks.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)even if I don't think the socks are helpful.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)If that's all he was doing, I doubt there would be much of a problem. The NFL isn't the place for political activism.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)and you are not an authority on that.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Here we have the one genius who gets to decide what type of protest and political speech is and is not permissable by the NFL, and possibly all professional sports across the nation. Aren't we lucky to have you among us today!?
pintobean
(18,101 posts)which you seem to think I have no right to. Good thing you're here to tell us who's opinions matter.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)is binding and valid. It is not, at all.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I'm simply expressing my opinion. You seem to think that only people who agree with you are allowed to do that.
Lonusca
(202 posts)already bleak job prospects - http://tinyurl.com/jfhsooc
writes3000
(4,734 posts)Clearly, he just wants attention.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3765234/Arizona-high-school-student-speaks-banned-wearing-disruptive-Black-Lives-Matter-shirt-picture-day.html
Arizona high school student sent home for wearing a Black Lives Matter t-shirt for the class picture
Mariah wrote: 'I walk into her office and I sit and listen on how she tells me that my shirt is creating a disruption in the learning of education, she then tells me that I am not allowed to wear the shirt that means a great deal to me and my African American friends.
'She then walks out of the office and hands me a white shirt that's meaningless and non political and has nothing to do for what I'm standing for.'
Mariah continued: 'I heard her loud and clear but I do plan to continue wearing my shirt.
'The reason why I apparently can't wear this shirt is because on Friday , August 19th I got into a argument with a young caucasian boy who said "black lives don't matter" and "that shirt is meaningless" #blacklivesmatter.'
Mariah's mother Roxane Havard told 12 News: 'She was asked to change and she didn't question them - she was being respectful.
Oneironaut
(5,556 posts)(Don't worry - the Internet will find something else to be outraged about soon, and this will all go away)
Bonx
(2,089 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)That the Niners will fear that if they cut him, it will be seen as being due to his protests, not his mediocrity. I'm not that cynical. I think he knows he's done, and he's going out with a bang.
Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)What do you think about blacklisting, say, Larry King? (for having a show on RT)
Should people be discriminated against in the workplace for free speech in an optional ceremony?
Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Fuck, who would have thought the United States would be taken down by some sportsball guy wearing socks? We had a good run, USians. A darned good run. But our police, military, government institutions and Constitution were no match for this. The center cannot hold. Get ready for brother to battle brother, children rising up against their parents, blood to run in the streets, and the total breakdown of all civil and societal forms.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)DLevine
(1,788 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)It totally improves the read. I can't stop giggling.
Oh dear Lord Jesus, this ain't happening, man... This can't be happening, man! This isn't happening!
DLevine
(1,788 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Lay it out for us.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Odin will sew my lips shut, I'll get mad about it and me and the kids will raise an army from Hel and storm the Rainbow Bridge.
One of my kids will kill the idiot with the Hammer and the world will be plunged into darkness.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It seems if they're not burning anything down, not disrupting traffic, not tying up resources, not getting in anyone's way, not boycotting, or not even marching, we still desire a querulous reason to voice our righteous indignation and plaintive cries against mere socks and sitting down.
A few degrees better than pouring a milkshake on someone's head... and it's that reverent and faith-based justification that allows us to rationalize our bias.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)I foresee a good bit of free time in his future...
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)There's a possibility he'll be picked up by Minnesota if SF cuts him, but they may not touch him if he continues to make an ass of himself.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)I mean, look at the hardline the Vikings took against Adrian Peterson when he got caught whipping his 4 year old son across the genitals with a switch hard enough to draw blood, right?
I know you guys really want this uppity young man to get his just desserts, so don't stop believing, you brave patriots.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Peterson was good enough that the benefit to the owners outweighed the cost in PR and $$$.
Not so much for Kapernick...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)like they feel like every black man in the public eye is their personal property that they should be able to control and judge, as if they ard somehow more aware or informed about what that black man ought to be doing to make them happy.
Every thing he does gets them pissed because he does not give a damn what they think he should be doing. Black folks can wear what the fuck we want to. Go obsess over the folks who dress up in sheets and Dixie flags and get the cops to stop murdering black men and there would be no need for those socks. Same folks outraged by those socks gave no damns about The Murder of Walter Scott.
psychmommy
(1,739 posts)I love the he's not good enough comment, lol somewhere in the previous comments. I sit with Colin and I would totally wear those sox in the fall.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Last year it was Kanye. This year Colin. The cycle of outrage is hilarious.
sheshe2
(84,171 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,581 posts)The stances on this very website are disheartening. It's the messenger not the message, i guess.
I'll admit the Castro tee-shirt was a bad look, but these socks seem to be consistent with the crux of his social criticism.
And, i really am disappointed in folks who keep thinking he doesn't matter because he'll be cut from the football team. As if that has a single thing to do with anything.
Just poor
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)the hypocrisy and outright clueless ignorance are absolutely stunning.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)In some stupid way. Series.
frankieallen
(583 posts)and my right to think he is a piece of shit for doing both.
psychmommy
(1,739 posts)No one cares what you think. AA's will protest and support each other. You and yours will whine and complain. But, things are going to change and eyes are being opened every day. One day hopefully yours will as well. But if not, so what.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)for Kaepernick, that's for sure.
Please explain because it reads like a subtle threat.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)I don't like violence at all. It's a shame that some people see threats in harmless words.
Okay, he will either be cut, traded, or become very familiar with that bench as third string qb. That's speculation around the league, based on his performance. He's never been popular with his teammates, or fellow players. That's not a good thing for the leadership role of quarterback. I can't see his current antics endearing him to anyone. He's isolating himself further.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I'm seeing a lot of support for Colin. The outrage seems to be coming from people like trump and sarah palin, etc.
And yeah, he might not be kept by the 49ers, but I guarantee you he will land a spot of another team's roster.
Anyone who is upset over this, really need to think about why? He's got people talking about racial injustice again, and that's a good thing.
sheshe2
(84,171 posts)Harmless words. Harmless actions.
Black And Unarmed: Women And Girls Without Weapons Killed By Law Enforcement
When we talk about police brutality, we often forget about the women who have been killed by police. Here are just a few.
Recently, The Root ran a piece that included a slideshow of unarmed black men killed by police. It was a disturbing, to say the least.
But too often when we talk about police brutality, we forget about the women who have been killed by police. Mostly because those cases dont get the same type of attention or galvanize the community in the same way attacks on men do.
So in light of such disparities, it only seemed right to compile a brief list of black women and girls killed by police.
Tarika Wilson (Lima, Ohio)
On January 4, 2008, 26-year-old Tarika Wilson was shot and killed in her home while holding her 1-year-old baby in her arms. The infant was shot as well, but survived the injuries. Her other four children, in the home and witnesses to their mothers murder, escaped physical injury as well. Police officers claimed that they were looking for her previous boyfriend when they decided to shoot into her home, leaving her five children, all the under the age of 10, without a mom.
More http://www.rolereboot.org/culture-and-politics/details/2014-08-black-unarmed-women-girls-without-weapons-killed-law-enforcement/
There is no, LOL about this! NONE!
pintobean
(18,101 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)You savvy cultural observer, you. Tell us how it's going to be.
Throd
(7,208 posts)That is how it's going to be.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)And I predict they will.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)that uppity young man for daring to protest brutality and murder. That much is quite clear.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)but let's face it, he's just not that good.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)I mean, look how supporting BLM has completely ruined Labron James! And how deeply disrespected is the memory of Muhammed Ali! And how deeply villifed Tommie Smith and John Carlos are today!
You'll have to excuse me if I believe your prognostications come entirely from up your own backside.
It's also very interesting to me that you seem to think that the opinion of corporate sponsors somehow indicates the morality of Kaepernick's protest. As stated elsewhere by the great Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, that says much more about you than it does about him.
Throd
(7,208 posts)Posting RATM lyrics won't alter that simple fact.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)are the clowns who think D.K. should be punished for daring to speak his mind in protest. I'm not worried, and obviously neither is the QB in question. You'll just have to keep hoping for your divine corporate sponsors to teach that uppity young man a lesson.
Throd
(7,208 posts)He gets to make a statement about an important subject he cares deeply about.
I also think that police brutality and unequal treatment by the police is a very important issue.
I'm merely pointing out that sponsors just want to sell beer, pick-up trucks and pizza without controversy and will react accordingly.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)How many of D.K.'s sponsors have dropped him because of this issue so far? Name them, please.
http://www.benzinga.com/news/16/08/8403509/colin-kaepernicks-controversial-decision-wont-affect-current-sponsors
"Drew Rosenhaus appeared on CNBC to talk about Kaepernick's controversial decision and how it may impact his career and endorsements. Rosenhaus did not believe it would jeopardize his current endorsements with Nike Inc, Apple Inc.'s, Beats By Dre, and MusclePharm Corp."
He may lose sponsors if he continues to play at a level that doesn't match the competition but that has zippetyshite to do with the protest.
Response to psychmommy (Reply #45)
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Ace Rothstein
(3,203 posts)Well played.
Iggo
(47,628 posts)Because man, that sentiment's been around for a looooooong time.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not anymore than the police disrespected the tennis player in NY when they tackled him. One and only one reason he was tackled. He was black.
I'm liking Kap more and more.
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)I support Colin Kaepernick's right to protest injustice.
http://www.phillyvoice.com/photos-surface-philly-police-officer-nazi-tattoo/
"Photographs depicting a Philadelphia police officer on duty with a Nazi tattoo began circulating on social media late Wednesday night.
The photo appears to show the Nazi Party's partieadler emblem tattooed on the left forearm of an officer identified as Ian Hans Lichterman, 39. The party emblem features an eagle, with outstretched wings, holding a wreath containing a swastika. The photo shows the eagle topped by the word "Fatherland," but it is not clear if the tattoo includes the enwreathed swastika at the bottom, which cannot be seen in the photo.
Lichterman's right arm features an assault rifle laid over the United States flag."
pintobean
(18,101 posts)However, it has no place in the police department, or in any public employment. I think he should be immediately fired. The police are expected to serve and protect all in the community. Symbols of bigotry and hatred should not be tolerated.
I would also encourage any private sector employer to shit-can any asshole with that tattoo.
I also support Colin Kaepernick's right to protest injustice. I just question the how and where. That is my right.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Would you care to share, what you feel would be a more appropriate method and place for him to do so?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)including his right to sit during the national anthem or wear these socks. I also reserve the right to call him a douchebag for both.
Dreamweaver 5.0
(124 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)and take more time to discuss them than you are upset by the sustained, repeated brutalization and slaughter of African American men at the hands of Law Enforcement and the State, you are the goddamn problem and need to get woke right now.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Iggo
(47,628 posts)demmiblue
(36,952 posts)SixString
(1,057 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Brings more headlines and outrage than the fact that there are innocent black people and children being extrajudiciously murdered because they are being targetted by the police?!
What is wrong with this country, instead of focusing on the outrage against this person, why don't we focus on the reason he is protesting? They only way to get a protest noticed is by doing the outrageous that will be covered by the news.
We all need to stop shooting the messenger and listen to his message.
lapucelle
(18,423 posts)They dehumanize cops. I don't think it's ever a good idea for us to dehumanize each other.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)How about being killed by agents of the state with almost absolute impunity while unarmed?
Keith Childress
Bettie Jones
Kevin Matthews
Michael Noel
Miguel Espinal
Nathaniel Harris Pickett
Jamar Clark
Bennie Lee Tignor
Anthony Ashford
Junior Prosper
Keith Harrison McLeod
India Kager
Felix Kumi
Asshams Pharoah Manley
Christian Taylor
Samuel DuBose
Albert Joseph Davis
Darrius Stewart
Salvado Ellswood
Victor Emanuel Larosa
Spencer McCain
Kris Jackson
Brendon Glenn
David Felix
William Chapman
Frank Shephard
Walter Scott
Eric Harris
Brandon Jones
Bobby Gross
Anthony Hill
Naeschylus Vinzant
Tony Robinson
Charly Leundeu Keunang
Thomas Allen
Lavall Hall
Jeremy Lett
Artago Damon Howard
Nicholas Thomas
Janisha Fonville
Go ahead and tell us again how the socks dehumanize the very folks who killed all of these unarmed black people last year?
lapucelle
(18,423 posts)That's what the word "dehumanize" means. And it's not right to do that to any group.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Awww... Da poor wittle flowers haz been dehoomanized as wittle piggies on a pair of socks
So really what's the problem here? A pair of fucking socks?
LittleDuckie
(42 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Otherwise, you wouldn't be posting in this thread...
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)you have to draw attention to yourself somehow.
treestar
(82,383 posts)He's starting to seem like an attention seeker at this point. Can't he get famous for his playing?
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)But Batgirl shirts at Target and Black Olives Matter on a pizza store sign, oh the humanity.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Were they the hottest things trending on Facebook when they hit the news?
I keep being accused of being outraged by people who are clearly outraged that this thread exists.
JustAnotherGen
(32,123 posts)jonno99
(2,620 posts)or had socks emblazoned with (perish the thought!) "All live matter", would the responses on this thread be the same?
Methinks not.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)I'm sure you understand.
--imm
Wednesdays
(17,554 posts)by the Blue Pigs for trademark infringement.
gopiscrap
(23,769 posts)Skittles
(153,448 posts)he has issues that have nothing to do with the police
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Most people know nothing about the guy they're holding up as some kind of hero.
sheshe2
(84,171 posts)Murdered by cop
Yeah skittles, nothing at all to do with cops.
fuck him, he is a piece of shit
he has issues that have nothing to do with the police
WTF are you talking about? Wow, you are okay with unarmed black men and women being murdered by police? You think it is not an issue for him? Well hey. I am white and it is an ISSUE FOR ME!
LittleDuckie
(42 posts)whether Kaepernick is an attention-seeking piece of shit. Also, you should be ashamed of implying that someone is a racist ("okay with unarmed black men and women being murdered by police" when you have absolutely no evidence to support such an accusation.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)That way, they think they can post whatever they want. The same thing happened to me up-thread. It's shameful and underhanded, but obvious.
trof
(54,256 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)I mean, he always flushes out of the pocket when receivers are open, he never throws to secondary receivers, he throws deep into double coverage, and he steps right into blitzes.
Oh, what was the deal with his socks?
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