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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI bought an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle in Philly in 7 minutes
Philadelphia Daily News:Seven minutes. From the moment I handed the salesperson my driver's license to the moment I passed my background check.
It likely will take more time than that during the forthcoming round of vigils to respectfully read the names of the more than 100 people who were killed or injured.
Freedom...
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)Honest question.
Would it make people feel better if it had taken seven hours? Seven days? Seven weeks?
It doesn't change the fact that Omar Mateen wanted to kill as many people as possible.
You don't go from wanting to take out a gay nightclub to being a perfectly adjusted human being just because you had to wait a certain amount of time to get your murder weapon.
ChickenGuru
(53 posts)until the intermost circle of Hell freezes over before you can purchase any gun.
However, if you want to join a shooting club and rent a firearm for the time you spend on the range, I'm ok with that.
Hunters limited to bolt action.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The courts have never held crew served weapons to be protected under the 2nd amendment.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)word gun or firearm.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Which has been held by the courts to mean firearms and the ammo to operate them.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)Hardwick.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The court also left open the door for considerable registration and restriction.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)A rifle over a .50 bore is classified as a Destructive Device.
Area-effect weapons like anything explosive, also Destructive Devices. (there's your rocket)
The reason for the classification is simple; can it be used against a single target. Technically a .50 is an anti-material rifle, for shooting things like trucks, rather than people. What it does to a person is frankly, ridiculous. Anything over that is assumed to be for non-direct use against a person. Meaning you can't really use it for any purpose in the context of bearing arms to protect yourself or the state. So, no 20mm rifles for civilians nationwide. Explosives are right out. So that's grenades, rockets, howitzers, recoilless, etc. Can't use it against a person/target. Has splash damage.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)bows/crossbows, many homemade guns, shivs, certain batons, blackjacks/saps, etc...
Guns are given special treatment. That's the real reason explosives are not legal...
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)There are local ordinances that might restrict them. I know I can't have one in Seattle. But I can where I live, east of Seattle.
These things are regulated in different ways at different levels of government.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)irrelevant, then you have just as much right to own a switch blade as you do a gun.
Just because there's a law on the books that says it is illegal, that law is supposed to be unenforceable.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)By the original constitution, slavery was allowed. We as a society decided that is wasn't right, and we passed an amendment to change the constitution.
So why not get to work on repealing the second amendment?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)the Militia members were to arm themselves with, they didn't mean including guns?
Pistols and muskets and firelocks are arms, but not guns...who knew?
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)They ARE guns.
Hell, there was a 20 shot semi auto rifle 14 years before they ratified the 2nd amendment. It just didn't use gunpowder as propellant.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)MH1
(17,600 posts)That's not a crew served weapon. But I'm pretty sure I can't legally own one.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)But we both know you're not serious, or making a serious argument.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)rights/protections with respect to the 2A over more dangerous weapons (rocket launchers) and even less dangerous weapons (knives, bows, clubs)...
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...it can be completed in seven minutes.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)Matrosov
(1,098 posts)The NICS system isn't comprehensive.
Are you a convicted felon or guilty of certain misdemeanors? Nope? Having you been judged by a court of law to be mentally incompetent? Nope?
Here's your gun.
The problem is that many of the articles focus on the time it takes, specifically waiting periods, rather than on how comprehensive the background check is.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)can be made in 7 minutes, its not very comprehensive.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)I can't even imagine how many staff hours it takes from all the states to gather, process, and update electronic files.
When someone calls in for a NICS check, the work has been done. Its either a red light or green light (or possible delayed).
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)please elaborate how all the work is done before the background check is requested.
bighart
(1,565 posts)and fed into the database on a daily basis thus the check is already done.
The NICS checks for felony convictions, domestic assault convictions and specific mental health findings that are required by law to be reported. That is essentially all an NICS check looks for.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)if so many people are falling through the cracks.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)When the FFL holder calls NICS, NICS is not beginning the check with all 50 states as to whether or not they have any data indicating the applicant is prohibited from possessing a firearm. All that data has already been gathered and the NICS data bases are updated daily.
The time spent on the phone is really making sure they have identified the correct person which is usually easy if they supply their social security number (which is optional). Or sometimes there is an ambiguous entry that needs clarification, but those don't happen often.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)In this day of computers with a lap top on every judge's Bench, there are still lags in forwarding 2 simple data sets:
1) criminal convictions which keep one from purchasing a firearm legally.
2) adjudicated findings of one's mental incompetence which disqualifies a person from legal purchase.
I believe the VT murderer and the South Carolina murder were disqualified, but the data wasn't given to the Pony Express on time, and someone ran out of ink and parchment, somewhere....
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)just includes whether or not you are a convicted felon, or are otherwise legally barred from owning a gun. That's it. It does NOT include suspicions, investigations, etc.
George II
(67,782 posts)Abq_Sarah
(2,883 posts)A NICs check only looks for things that legally disqualify you from a purchase. They're not going to interview your neighbors because your neighbor's opinion of you isn't a legal finding.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)That would open a huge can of lawsuits for a myriad of reasons.
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)and don't care about lawsuits
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)and bigots. Just a fact. If you don't believe me, go to a few gun stores or gun shows.
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)I don't want to get shot, even by accident
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)Because you can't accurately test someone for their religion, so they go by looks. It's easier and faster.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)One of our shops is owned by a man who is both black and gay.
You found an exception; most well-run shops don't mind picking up that guy's pee-diddly lost business.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)If you have been charged with even a misdemeanor domestic violence count, or if you have an active domestic violence restraining order, you will fail the NICS check, depending on whether the state in question has had time to report it to the federal database.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Its basically a proceed or deny response from NICS based on the most recent data gathered.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:34 PM - Edit history (1)
somebody needs to say -- hey this yahoo is up to no good. If nothing else, they are polluting society with gunz and ammo. You gun promoters and profiteers are something else.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)On what grounds should they hold her up? Maybe because she is a woman with dark features? An unusual last name?
Really, why should they prevent her from buying a rifle they intend to sell?
Sometimes I buy up to 5000 rounds of rifle ammo when prices are low. What's the big deal. If they asked me what I planned on doing with all that ammo, I would tell them I plan on shooting it. How far into my life should a gun shop owner delve into my personal life in order to determine if I can buy a couple of cases of ammo.
Waldorf
(654 posts)of the sales, that makes them up to no good?
Does that go for everything somebody buys that is on sale?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)obsess over. You and society will be better off. Buy a 38 Special 5 rounder and give up all the other crud if you just feel that you can't live without a gun.
Waldorf
(654 posts)I think society would be much better off if we could find a way to get rid of the criminals.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)doesn't make it good for lots of other people.
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)to anyone it should be a long and difficult process. Might give those with such rage and hate time to cool of and change their mind. I mean really what's the hurry unless you have imedite plans to use it.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)yesphan
(1,587 posts)The dealer makes the usual markup and the rest goes into a fund to help cover
the costs of the victims.
calimary
(81,265 posts)bullets cost $5000 EACH.
but that was to curtail drive by shootings..........
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)20 trillion dollar note costs you $14.95 on the innertubes.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)Gotcha
tightening restrictions. For any type of home defense I'm comfortable with a shotgun and pistol, don't need a semi-automatic rifle. Though if the zombies come, I might regret my choice!
I think folks should be able to buy them, but I definitely think we can do better on the process to actually get one.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)"Bloodbath and Beyond"!
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)I run into more delays, and paperwork when I purchase pseudoephedrine to treat a medical condition, than I do to purchase a rifle in PA. The OP is 100% correct that it takes less than 10 minutes, in fact in my experience it took about 5.
I personally feel that owning a firearm is an individual right, however it is too easy to obtain in quite a few states.
I find it hilarious all of the hoops (background checks, fingerprints, references, employment history) a coworker had to jump through before he could coach his son's little league t-ball team to make sure he was not a threat or danger to the children, yet there is seemingly nothing more than a "have you never be caught doing something bad" form that one needs to fill out before they can purchase a very deadly weapon. Did I mention my coworker has to continually renew their certifications for as long as he wishes to coach his son's teams?
To me it's not so much the number of days, this has not been proven to be a deterrent. I understand that some view the 2nd as this all powerful right, not to be regulated (modern meaning) in any way possible, and others view it as some sort of guarantee that the National Guard be armed, and regulated (again modern meaning) by the state and citizens have no right to a firearm. I feel that there can be a middle ground... But to get there both parties with extreme views one way or the other need to be left out of the conversation.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)He is ready to help.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)... party
for starters
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)AirmensMom
(14,642 posts)There is no need for people to buy or possess such things.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Basically, due to FL's lax gun laws, this guy wasn't exactly investigated for a background check, even though he had threatened his wife and been questioned in 2013 about terror-related communications.
Abq_Sarah
(2,883 posts)If you have no felony, DV convictions or restraining orders, you will pass the background check, in accordance with federal law.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)calimary
(81,265 posts)There is NO justification for military-grade assault weapons to be in civilian hands. NONE.
I will NOT be ruled by paranoiacs. Seems to me that's NOT what our country is about. Or maybe more accurately - what it used to be about.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)This was a gun designed for the military -- there is no legitimate civilian use.
phazed0
(745 posts)was designed for civilian use and was never for military. No 3 round burst or automatic function. Semi-automatic only. Troops don't carry these.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)Other than to shoot 100 people in a very short time - killing 49 of them.
Sorry - this is not a toy and it it certainly does not seem like a sportsmanly thing to use to kill wild animals.
phazed0
(745 posts)No gun is a toy, this gun never claimed to be a toy. The most common AR's are either .223 or 7.62. The .233 caliber is generally banned from hunting as the caliber usually doesn't kill the target. The 7.62 caliber on the other hand is found in many other rifles.
Here's 24 other guns that shoot the same caliber bullet with the same devastation, so I fail to see how this gun is any less "sportsmanly":
http://www.tactical-life.com/firearms/24-of-the-best-7-62mm-458-socom-and-300-blk-rifles/#twa15-rifles-aac
I'm not opposed to your notion, but if you're going to spit out lies and incorrect conjecture to defend it, well, that doesn't help either side of the argument.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)It was not a lie.
The reason I said it was not sportsmanly is because of the number of misses you obviously could have and still kill the animal. As to other guns that use high caliber bullets, they too are not sportsmanly.
In the words of the Beatles:
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill, Bungalow Bill?
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill, Bungalow Bill?
He went out tiger hunting with his elephant and gun
In case of accidents he always took his mom
He's the all American bullet-headed Saxon mother's son
All the children sing
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill, Bungalow Bill?
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill, Bungalow Bill?
Deep in the jungle where the mighty tiger lies
Bill and his elephants were taken by surprise
So Captain Marvel zapped in right between the eyes, zap!
All the children sing
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill, Bungalow Bill?
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill, Bungalow Bill?
The children asked him if to kill was not a sin
"Not when he looked so fierce", his mummy butted in
If looks could kill it would have been us instead of him
All the children sing
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill, Bungalow Bill?
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill, Bungalow Bill?
Oh ho!
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill, Bungalow Bill?
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill, Bungalow Bill?
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill, Bungalow Bill?
Hey, Bungalow Bill
What did you kill, Bungalow Bill?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I'd be happy if it took FOREVER.
AllyCat
(16,187 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)And restrictions that make a person really have to think long and hard about the burden of owning said "useful for basically murder" guns. One should have to report in periodically for psyche exams and show that said iron is being used for something "sporting" since the NRA likes to refer to them as such.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Republican Florida does. Weird.
BumRushDaShow
(128,978 posts)The legislature is GOP majority and this state is big big big for hunting and fishing (my father and grandfather fished and used to go upstate to hunt moose).
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)Used to be we had more hate groups on the SPLC list than any other state.
ileus
(15,396 posts)It's a lot of fun to plink around with.
reign88
(64 posts)at how easy there are to shoot. I really didn't have much fun beyond the first hour or so though. It was an indoor 50yd range so it really wasn't difficult to do, especially with good sights.
I prefer pistol shooting at the range. I think a lot of folks who have never shot pistols before would be very surprised at how hard it is to hit a target accurately from 15 yards. Heck, 10 even. My wife and I like to have competitions, neither one of us is a great shot so it works out.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)One of the things the Army wanted was a rifle that is easy to shoot accurately - most people joining the service never fired a rifle before, and a rifle that's easy to shoot cuts down on training time.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Why should it take a long time in an age of Internet technology?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)why should it take longer?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)no matter how much it would impact you life and love of the darn things.
hack89
(39,171 posts)you are the best practioner of DU performance art by a wide margin
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)If so, how much longer? Is it the specific gun that bothers them? Why are they buying it, if they don't want it? Is it possible to go through with the purchase and, occasionally, use, in a neutral fashion, without applying personal bias or belief to it in advance? If not, what are we learning from the exercise?
jmg257
(11,996 posts)But realize that if you aren't around the gun culture, you would be ignorant of such things.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)aspects of American culture and class in an "us-them" fashion that the topic is tired.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)1939
(1,683 posts)You could make a wooden stock, no hand grip version of this that looked like a baby M14 and it would still shoot the same bullets, just as fast, just as far, and just as accurate. It just wouldn't look as nasty.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Ruger has made exactly that gun for decades. It is the Mini-14 and it is (1) very popular among gun enthusiasts and (2) not popular among the mass murderer community. They make a stainless steel version that farmers love because they can leave it on the tractor without worrying it'll rust solid.
1939
(1,683 posts)It does come in .223 caliber.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)An efficient background checking system.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)I am sure they are extra busy now.
So much for the summer "lull".
Bonx
(2,053 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Same with Bass Pro...
I just ordered a new Smallmouth rod, paid out the nose for it but at least I bought from a small builder.
http://www.smalliestix.net/
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)for women to get abortions in most states. You know, the sanctity of life and all.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)NickB79
(19,240 posts)In my perfect world, women could get abortions the same day they go into the clinic if they wanted them. Walk in, no BS, and be in control of their lives as Roe V. Wade said they could be.
It's the GOP that wants to keep it hard for women to control their own bodies, and we shouldn't be accepting of that.
Exercising a Constitutional right shouldn't be difficult to do.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Everyday the republican controlled house tries to limit a woman's access to health care, which includes abortions. If they spent as much time infringing on my health care rights trying to tackle the problem with mass shootings, maybe something would get done. And though I have a legal right to an abortion, they sure as hell have spent a lot of time and money making it as difficult as possible for women to get them. So why shouldn't they do the same with guns.
I agree, it shouldn't be difficult for a woman to get an abortion but I do think it should be difficult as hell to get a gun.
NickB79
(19,240 posts)Because stooping to the level of a knuckle-dragging pro-life Republican is the epitome of stupid. We won't get anywhere by behaving like them. We will just solidify the idea that it's NORMAL to make exercising one's civil rights difficult, which is the polar opposite of where we want to go.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)sl8
(13,769 posts)The State of Florida does not require a waiting period for the purchase of a long gun.
Individual counties, cities and municipalities have the ability to pass laws that add or lengthen the waiting period for any type of firearm. Please consult your local County Commission for more detailed information.
...
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)That can be digitally confirmed. Since Mateen had that carry permit, he could have bought those guns immediately. That requires Fingerprinting, as does getting a State Security License.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)donnasgirl
(656 posts)Would there be any reason for you to have failed a background check?
In fact, 80,000 people fail background checks every year (and we prosecute only a handful of them, but that's a separate rant).
You can fail a background check if:
1. You've been convicted of a felony
2. You've been convicted of a misdemeanor covered under the Lautenberg amendment (domestic violence)
3. A judge has ruled you incompetent
4. You have been indicted for a felony
5. Most importantly, 1-4 have to be loaded to the NICS system. In general, this works ok, but there can be delays (in indictment information), or things could be missed (mental health issues often are).
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)No, it wasn't used in the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history. He used a Glock 17 and a Sigsauer MCX.
Response to DesMoinesDem (Reply #35)
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DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)They're all AR-15s to them.
bullsnarfle
(254 posts)indicated AR-15. Including law enforcement interview at scene. So how about dialing back the snotty-ness?
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)The media know nothing about guns and every rifle is always referred to as an AR-15. This happens every single shooting.
bullsnarfle
(254 posts)were dumb anti-gun nuts too.
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)The media dropped the 'style' because to them everything is an AR-15 so the word is meaningless.
Demit
(11,238 posts)You probably don't realize how really sad that sounds.
So many chances and the media STILL can't get the brand name right.
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)There are a lot of shootings. Far too many. And the media has learned absolutely nothing from them. They're supposed to be informing people about the facts but they remain completely ignorant of them. They seem to think their job isn't about distribution of facts, but instead about creating hysteria about a certain gun type.
Demit
(11,238 posts)The gun TYPE being one that's light, easy to hold and easy to shoot, accepts large magazines, and is deadly accurate.
So what if the AR-15 has become the stand-in name for the gun TYPE? Why does that upset you? Do you have stock in the company or something?
Maybe, because the gun is becoming so popular with mass murderers, and mass murders are becoming more frequent, "AR-15" on its way to becoming a generic term, the way Kleenex and Xerox and Band-Aid have done. That's what should be upsetting you. The carnage, the repeated death and destruction, caused by the type of gun it is.
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)You prefer inaccurate reporting to fact? Do you want people to remain ignorant on guns? Seems like you do. Stock in what company? What the hell are you talking about?
Demit
(11,238 posts)People are still reeling, horrified at the devastation in Orlando, and you're running around saying "Isn't it awful that the early reports got the gun's name wrong?" as if that changes what it did.
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)It's above you to care about the details. You are much better than everyone else. You know that about 50 people were killed and you don't need to know anything else. And if you do learn anything else you don't care if its true or not, because that is just details and details don't matter. I get it. You don't care about facts. You can stop replying to me now.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)More lax gun rules than in NY with registration, permits, fees, etc. Where we live now in Florida is very similar. I did read that Open Carry in Pa. is legal, but generally frowned upon by both law enforcement, businesses, and general public.
Amishman
(5,557 posts)And other than the occasional hunter in woods/field out here in the boonies, I have never seen open carry even though it is legal. I'm glad that people around here, even the gun nuts, realize that can =/= should
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)over the internet?
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)What would prevent you from buying a gun under Florida law?
After a 29-year-old gunman opened fire in Pulse Nightclub, killing 49 revellers over the course of a three-hour siege on Sunday, one of the first questions asked was, how did he obtain his weapons?
The answer: He did so legally, from a gun shop called the St Lucie Shooting Center.
"An evil person came in here and legally purchased two firearms from us," said store owner Ed Henson in a press conference outside the store. "He passed a background check that every single person who purchases a firearm in the state of Florida undergoes."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36522570
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Elmergantry
(884 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)hunter
(38,311 posts)The Constitution wasn't written by God. (Neither was the Bible.)
Piss on your guns.
Gun love is disgusting.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)spirald
(63 posts)Your comment reflects a common NRA talking point that does nothing to further the debate, and is contradicted by decades of settled US law that allows for firearm regulation based on need, and the overall settled jurisprudence that allows certain rights to be limited so as not to impact the free exercise of other rights.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)There is no legal restrictions based on "need" to purchase a semiautomatic long rifle. As it should be.
Demit
(11,238 posts)Someday the tide will turn. The public will grow weary of the costs of the carnage incurred by easy access to such lethal weapons. They are a threat to the public welfare. We'll get the restrictions, and that will be as it should be.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)You could get a Tommy Gun (FULL AUTO) thru a catalog. No background checks, no questions asked.
Yet, no mass shootings.
What has changed?
The people or the weapons?
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)has to be a knockoff . you can build an AR-15 but I don't believe you can legally sell it. not really sure about that. Dad bought the cheap plastic knockoff from Sig Saur (sp) brother built the $1000 full metal AR-15. Took him a few months but in reality it would cost near $3000. since it's 99 % metal. all he had to do is register the trigger assembly. it's the AR-15 is where we lost my brother to the Right Wing
jmg257
(11,996 posts)S&W M&P-15? Ruger SR-15?
etc etc
Plenty to choose from.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts).30 cal is my preference too, but only because of larger game, like Deer/Elk.
DrBulldog
(841 posts). . . so at least we can present ourselves honestly to the rest of the world.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,119 posts)That is what they are. Too many of us are unstable and angry. A great coolong off period with no weapons should be legislated and the NRA neutered.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)I was in local gun shop last week buying cleaning supplies. Guy walked in, walked out with Smith & Wesson M&P-15 in 5 minutes.
Anyone want to try for 4 minutes???
rdking647
(5,113 posts)gun buyers should have to undergo the same
melm00se
(4,992 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Ha! Ha! Dont be ridiculous! That stuff is dangerous!
mcar
(42,329 posts)Takes most people longer to vote - if they can vote.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Shit, in a lot of places actually voting is almost impossible if you don't have the correct documentation.
What's wrong with this picture?
hack89
(39,171 posts)NickB79
(19,240 posts)Hundreds of millions of records, all compiled and updated daily, and accessed thousands of times an hour across a nation of 300 million people.
I'd be more nervous if more people were delayed on a regular basis and had to wait a few days before being cleared. That would indicate the system was poorly managed, with a lot of grey areas where purchasers with criminal backgrounds could fall through the cracks and be missed. The NICS default for any ambiguity is to delay.
No one should be angry the system approved her so fast. That's what the system was designed to do.
If you're angry there isn't a waiting period, or that a more detailed licensing system isn't used, or that such guns are even available on store shelves, that is something to address through legislature. Here in Minnesota, we treat assault rifles the same as handguns: you can't purchase one without a handgun permit from your local police department. You go in, fill out paperwork, they take 1-2 weeks to perform a background check, then send you your permit in the mail. With this permit, you can purchase your handgun or AR-15. It's good for 3 years, I believe, and then you have to update it again. If you move to a new police district, you have to re-apply.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/the-gun-how-i-bought-an-ar-15-in-a-five-guys-parking-lot/Content?oid=3421127
deaniac21
(6,747 posts)turn me into a newt!
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)She detailed in her video that the purchase was an "assignment" and that she used the corporate credit card and corporate funds.
That means under the law she purchased the rifle for someone else- in this case a corporation because corporations can buy firearms- using that other persons money at their direction.
100% straw purchase.
It doesn't matter that then corporation could have legally purchased the gun in its name, because she did so it's a straw purchase. This was taken up in the Supreme Court a few years ago in Abramski vs US.
Evidently by transporting it around other than taking it directly from the store to her home she also violated some local laws too in Philly.
There is much irony in someone breaking the law in an effort to claim more laws are needed. And funny think is if she isn't prosecuted she will be a textbook case for the NRA to point at and say "you don't enforce the laws we have now why don't you do that before claiming we need new ones".
And anyone so ignorant of existing laws to do those has zero credibility advocating for new ones.