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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:40 AM May 2016

Man taken off of transplant list due to lack of insurance


PORTLAND, Maine —A man in need of a kidney was denied a transplant due to his age.

Thiwat Thiwat discovered that his kidneys were failing during his senior year at Deering High School four years ago.

Thiwat was a member of the school’s 2013 state championship team, but a year later, he found out that his immune system attacked his kidneys.

His kidneys are now only functioning at 1 percent.

He’s enrolled in college full-time and also has a part-time job. He was relying on Mainecare, but was recently cut off when he turned 21.

Thiwat is no longer qualifies for the kidney donation list because he doesn’t have health insurance.

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http://www.wmtw.com/news/man-in-need-of-kidney-denied-transplant/39764878
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Man taken off of transplant list due to lack of insurance (Original Post) n2doc May 2016 OP
We really need universal health care for every person in America madokie May 2016 #1
This is scandalous. The US is just pitiful in how it cares for its citizens. CurtEastPoint May 2016 #2
death panel dembotoz May 2016 #3
Health care for profit needs to be a thing of the past. How sad. B Calm May 2016 #4
insurance companies are the true DEATH PANELS spanone May 2016 #5
+100 narnian60 May 2016 #15
money is king, profit the queen heaven05 May 2016 #6
Yet there are still people that insist insurance is the same as care. hobbit709 May 2016 #7
He should qualify for Medicare because he has end stage TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #8
Not the only disease; ALS does too REP May 2016 #28
My husband is at end stage as well. Texasgal May 2016 #32
That's so messed up! herding cats May 2016 #39
This is what happens in a for-profit healthcare system. Snarkoleptic May 2016 #9
Why isn't he on Medicare? Anybody in renal failure is supposed to be Recursion May 2016 #10
He should be provided his transplant insurance or not SickOfTheOnePct May 2016 #11
This guy bears a lot of the blame: Nye Bevan May 2016 #12
My thoughts exactly! kag May 2016 #13
So does every single person who folded instead of 20score May 2016 #17
I remember those days just before Obamacare passed. kag May 2016 #20
+1000 smirkymonkey May 2016 #24
and he smiles and waves, while people suffer and die needlessly. mountain grammy May 2016 #19
Why does Maine still have that POS in office? IronLionZion May 2016 #22
It says ryan_cats May 2016 #14
It actually says both. kag May 2016 #18
But, but, Obamacare fixed everything. Gene Debs May 2016 #16
Healthcare in America is a for-profit business. If you can't pay the fare, too bad so sad. NorthCarolina May 2016 #21
Okay what happened to being on your parents healthcare jwirr May 2016 #23
Health Care is a Human Right Octafish May 2016 #25
Obamacare! Greatest law in history! Doctor_J May 2016 #26
Tools. SammyWinstonJack May 2016 #27
ESRF automatically qualifies someone for MediCARE, regardless of age REP May 2016 #29
Sure.. it just takes two years Texasgal May 2016 #34
No it doesn't. No waiting period. REP May 2016 #38
Unheard of in civilised countries Fairgo May 2016 #30
This is just awful! Texasgal May 2016 #31
Of course he was! All that counts in America is money...don't have any you can Rex May 2016 #33
Remember Trump's words malaise May 2016 #36
Send the real Death Panel list to malaise May 2016 #35
transplants are a business - hopemountain May 2016 #37

madokie

(51,076 posts)
1. We really need universal health care for every person in America
Sat May 28, 2016, 08:49 AM
May 2016

no insurance companies allowed in the mix. That is why we need to elect the man from Vermont. He can get us there. Nothing stopping that from happening except for not having the leadership to guide us. The will is here

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
6. money is king, profit the queen
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:24 AM
May 2016

who is this inddividdual to have an expectation of a long normal life, without the venerated $$$$$

TexasBushwhacker

(20,185 posts)
8. He should qualify for Medicare because he has end stage
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:34 AM
May 2016

kidney disease. It's the only disease specifically covered by Medicare for all persons regardless of age. He will still be covered by Medicare after the transplant too.

REP

(21,691 posts)
28. Not the only disease; ALS does too
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:47 PM
May 2016

And if the prognosis is terminal within a relatively short period, the waiting period can be waived as well. Not posting to be an ass; sometimes random bits of stuff can be useful to other people

You are totally correct; he automatically qualifies for Medicare and someone screwed up!

Texasgal

(17,045 posts)
32. My husband is at end stage as well.
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:17 PM
May 2016

It takes a minimum two years to get Medicare. Time is of the essence in these cases.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
39. That's so messed up!
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:31 AM
May 2016

I'm sorry for your situation! It shouldn't be a case of navigating 1000 layers of borocratic tape at a time like that.

I wish you, and he, the best in your personal trials. It shouldn't be like it is, but I'm sure you understand that all to well.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
9. This is what happens in a for-profit healthcare system.
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:10 AM
May 2016

People are considered profit/loss centers rather than human beings.
We are some sick puppies for allowing this!

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
11. He should be provided his transplant insurance or not
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:20 AM
May 2016

But why is everyone blaming the insurance companies on this? They didn't cut him off, the state of Maine did.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
12. This guy bears a lot of the blame:
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:36 AM
May 2016


Reading this story I was very surprised that Maine has not expanded Medicaid, which would have provided coverage in this case. Apparently Maine is the only New England state not to expand Medicaid.

Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) is reemphasizing his vow to veto any expansion of Medicaid under ObamaCare, accusing fellow Republican lawmakers in the state legislature of playing politics with a drug abuse crisis to push for expansion.

"We have vetoed Medicaid expansion five times," LePage said in his weekly radio address, according to the Maine Public Broadcasting Network, "and we will veto it every time electioneering politicians try to bring it up."

LePage’s vow comes as two Republican state senators are pushing for a Medicaid expansion bill, citing the state’s problem with abuse of prescription painkillers and heroin, an issue that has been growing nationwide.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/264401-maine-gov-vows-to-veto-obamacares-medicaid-expansion

Standard Republican cruelty on this issue.

20score

(4,769 posts)
17. So does every single person who folded instead of
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

fought the day they found out the public option was sold out for the entire year prior. They said people who wanted the public option or single payer were children who wanted ponies and didn't understand life or politics.

They all have blood on their hands. Every fucking one of them...and since it's between 30 and 35 thousand a year who die from the cost of, or no insurance - it's around a quarter of a million people who died because of those hypocritical assholes. They think like children, who can't admire, they have to worship. I truly despise them. (They also lost us the House and being assholes of highest quality, blamed everyone but themselves. The ones who could have saved it, if they were capable of critical thinking and decency.)

kag

(4,079 posts)
20. I remember those days just before Obamacare passed.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:25 AM
May 2016

And all of the back-room deals going on. The Democrats who trusted their reps in Congress to do the right thing got SO cheated. One of my own two Dem senators was among the worst (Bennett, D-CO).

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
19. and he smiles and waves, while people suffer and die needlessly.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:22 AM
May 2016

The shame of all governors who haven't accepted the Medicaid expansion. Murderers, torturers, and all around hateful human beings.

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
14. It says
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:06 AM
May 2016

It says in one place he was denied because of his age which is what 20?
Then it says down lower because of lack of insurance. I am thinking it is no insurance. Nice to see some faceless bureaucrat gets to decide someone's fate.

kag

(4,079 posts)
18. It actually says both.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:21 AM
May 2016

He just turned 21, and was taken off of Maine's insurance program (about which I know nothing) because he was no longer a juvenile.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
21. Healthcare in America is a for-profit business. If you can't pay the fare, too bad so sad.
Sat May 28, 2016, 11:32 AM
May 2016

That's why we need a true humanist like Bernie to turn things around for that group of folks TPTB consider "undesirables" or in some instances "super predators".

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
23. Okay what happened to being on your parents healthcare
Sat May 28, 2016, 12:00 PM
May 2016

until you are 26? Or applying for ACA on your own?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
25. Health Care is a Human Right
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016

These are the wealthiest times in human history. Shame on all who can do something and don't.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
26. Obamacare! Greatest law in history!
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:26 PM
May 2016

Better than Medicare, Medicaid, CRA AND VRA combined (actually claimed at du)!

REP

(21,691 posts)
29. ESRF automatically qualifies someone for MediCARE, regardless of age
Sat May 28, 2016, 02:49 PM
May 2016

Covers dialysis, transplant and post-transplant drugs.

REP

(21,691 posts)
38. No it doesn't. No waiting period.
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:11 AM
May 2016

Though most ESRF patients have been in CRF for more than two years.

Texasgal

(17,045 posts)
31. This is just awful!
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:15 PM
May 2016

My husband is on a liver/kidney transplant list he's in stage 4 failure. We could not even be considered without insurance, as a matter of fact that is the one of the first determining factors when you go for listing. Must have insurance.

I just cannot imagine what this poor kid is going through. *cry* Organ failure in any capacity is a terrible thing to go through.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
33. Of course he was! All that counts in America is money...don't have any you can
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:19 PM
May 2016

just wander off and die. Predatory capitalism means never having to feel guilty about someone dying, because you wanted to make a few bucks of their corpse.

malaise

(268,968 posts)
36. Remember Trump's words
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:20 PM
May 2016

I'm a businessman - it's what we do (after wishing for the housing collapse because he'd be able to buy cheap).

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
37. transplants are a business -
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:56 AM
May 2016

even though it is illegal to sell body parts - universities, hospitals, institutes and scientific/medical labs have found a way to make money: they only select transplant candidates with a high success profile.

why? because if their transplant patients do not survive the transplant and the hospital or medical facility has a high rate of "failures" - they are less able to attract monstrosity size donations. large donors do not like to have their donations and names associated with high "failure" rates.

of course, the candidate must fulfill or meet specific criteria to qualify for the donor list - first, all of their organs must be as high functioning as possible.

here are a few more of the determining criteria: there are many expensive tests for determining the donated organ acceptance rate of the potential candidate, the overall health of the potential candidate, the current functioning status of the failing organ, and of course how the entire process will be paid for/covered.

of course there are more criteria to add to the equation and it may vary with institutions.

for example, at age 41, my husband suffered a stroke and congestive heart failure following a viral infection which settled in his heart. he had a 50/50 chance of living 6 months - but he pulled through.

he was sent to a research hospital where luckily (yes, luck is huge in the transplant business) was assigned an awesome cardiologist who coached him through the entire screening process to qualify for a heart transplant and got him on the transplant list. he continued to maintain his health and heart function for 6 more years.

the month before 9/11, we discovered that one of his heart medications had been mixed up by the pharmacy. we don't know for how long he had been taking a diabetes med with a similar name instead of the key heart support med he needed.

when this was discovered, the cardiologist ran tests to assess for any damage. yes, in 2 months time (since his last heart function test) his heart function rate had decreased by 50% more than what was acceptable to be on the list - so, he was dropped from the list.

my husband lived 8 more months. he passed at the age of 47. incidentally, he passed the same year cheney had his transplant.

this young man's family might consider looking at other medical facilities that offer kidney transplants. they do vary in determining what is acceptable / considered for transplants.

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