Just curious...does the right tear each other apart like the left is doing?

[AgadorSparticus]

I don't wander over there because I don't have the stomach for it. I know they have their own fish to fry with the Donald and all. And that is a mighty big fish to fry. But I can't imagine they are tearing each other apart like this.

[MariaThinks]

1. the right is evil so it's expected. the Left is always conciliatory to the right as we've often

taken the high road.

Not this round. I've never seen anything like it - perhaps its because social media has enabled the circus.

we are getting our own tea party on the left

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

2. I live in a mostly Republican area of New York State.

No, they are not tearing themselves apart.

BTW: "the right is evil" No, they are not.

Many are very decent, hardworking people who would stop in the dead of winter to pull your car from a ditch (as was done to help my wife 2 winters ago)

They have some platforms that I vehemently disagree with...

Such as pro-fracking, hunting, and being generally more religious.

But the left is not a sanctuary from anti-environmental politics, either now.

Very confusing times.

[AgadorSparticus]

5. Some RW are real assholes. But, I agree. There are some that are hardworking, caring folks

They want the same thing as we do. They just think we should go about it differently. I remember a few years back, I interviewed someone on the right that was instrumental in healthcare policies affecting millions. I was hesitant about the interview but what I learned was that we wanted the same things. We just didn't agree on how to go about it. That sort of surprised me. He was, of course, totally wrong. He should have just agreed with me. Lol 😉

[CompanyFirstSergeant]

7. Thank you.

Your approach is the only one that will work.

All the best.

[AgadorSparticus]

30. Thanks. Same to you companyfirstsargeant.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

3. I think most of the people on here are DINO's!

[TreasonousBastard]

4. "The right" is not always what you see on internet groups...

any more than the "left" is.

My area leans conservative Republican, and the right-leaning parties (Republican, Conservative, and a couple of local ones...) are extremely close-knit and secretive. They never admit to any arguing behind the scenes and have a unified public front.

I suspect that's true of most Republicans-- people who think that way gravitate that way.

Trump may break that mold, but we shall see. I think it's just dawning on them that it's really happening.

[AgadorSparticus]

12. That's interesting. I think you are right about them still dazed about Trump.

It is a little surreal.

[snort]

6. They have a higher tolerance for fuckery

and consider it normal behavior.

[AgadorSparticus]

9. 😂😂

[NV Whino]

14. Ha! Thread winner.

[Skittles]

8. no, they never have two decent people running for president

[AgadorSparticus]

10. Winner!

[Rex]

54. Winner, winner! Chicken dinner!

[arendt]

11. First I want to hear your definition of "left"

Because warmonger, Wall St. lover, neocon posterchild, fracking promoter HRC is no leftie.

She is "socially liberal", but everything-else conservative. Her 24 year track record is out there for all to see. She is not a leftie.

Hence, it is not the left fighting the left in this case. It is the left fighting being hijacked by corporate DINOs. This fight has been going on every since WJC showed up; and the left is sick of being kicked to the curb in the name of "loyalty". As in "be loyal, retards".

[AgadorSparticus]

16. You lost me at neocon posterchild.

[arendt]

28. Read the papers. She has been endorsed by rafts of neocons. n/t

[Kingofalldems]

38. Look up William Kristol.

[Democat]

41. Stop bashing Democrats outside of the Primaries forum

Go back to where you came from and leave those of us who are focused on beating Trump alone.

[arendt]

45. Stop enforcing "discipline" -

You don't like what I wrote, alert on it.

Otherwise argue back or shut up.

[Democat]

49. This is a forum for supporting Democrats

If you hate Democrats, then leave.

I'm not enforcing anything, I'm telling you what the forum was created for.

[arendt]

52. Its a forum for supporting the Democratic Party

People keep saying Bernie's campaign is detrimental to the party, and that seems to be legal to say.

I say HRC's whole modus operandi is detrimental to an open, uncorrupt party that supports the middle class. That is also legal to say until the primary is over - which it most definitely is not.

As I said, you have no right to shut me up, short of alerting on me.

Your self-righteous whining is tiring.

[arendt]

46. Love your def of "beating Trump"

News flash: the primaries are not over. Sanders can beat Trump, if damaged goods gets out of the way.

[Egnever]

48. You are going to pop a vessel

Might be time to step back. GDP is poison.

[Democat]

50. Great, go bash Democrats in the Primaries forum

Leave those of us who actually want to beat Trump alone.

[arendt]

53. Not when the OP makes a phony claim about HRC's leftism.

You want to do politics in this forum, expect to get called on false equivalences and phony labels.

HRC is not a leftist. How many cites do I have to give about how she is, at best, an Eisenhower Republican?

I will call out phony posts in any forum.

[NV Whino]

13. I thought the Republican convention was going to be the most entertaining

I changed my mind.

[sweetapogee]

15. qualification are one thing

but the Democratic nominee and the party itself is going to have to bring the factions together which is going to be a fairly large job. I think the opposition has a slight advantage at this point in time. A lot of work needs to be done.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

18. "the Democratic nominee and the party itself is going to have to bring the factions together"

It's like herding Cats!

[NV Whino]

19. I don't think either potential nominee can bring the party together at this point

And, most certainly not Hillary.

Plus, even if a Democrat wins the White House, he or she will be battling the house (most certainly Rebublican) and the Senate (possibly, though slim, democrat).

It's going to be a hellish four to eight years no matter who wins.

[sweetapogee]

20. think

positive thoughts but be realistic. Not good times I'm sorry to say.

[sweetapogee]

21. but on the other hand

and upon some reflection, there are those who say that it is never easy for the party in the WH to retain it after 8 years of having the executive office and I think this is probably true.

A lot of bad feelings are not helping much I suppose.

[NV Whino]

22. Honestly, this should be a slam dunk for the Democrats

But there has been so much vitriol on both sides, some, maybe most by provocateurs, that the Democrats have a very good chance of losing.

[sweetapogee]

24. maybe

hard to know for sure. The off year elections have been disappointing but I think neither party has any reason to be optimistic at this point. Party unity, going back to my original statement, is not going to be easy. BTW, so far this season I have stayed out of the "public" opinion fight. Getting harder to do these days. It seem like if you mention one candidate by name, even if you are illustrating the obvious, the supporters of the other candidate will not like you anymore. And this hurt is what the nominee will have to repair.

[Brother Buzz]

17. They kinda, sorta still subscribe to Reagan's Eleventh Commandment:

Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican.

[LeftRant]

23. All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again...

Yes, the right does the same thing. And this isn't new for us either. Go back just one election and HRC vs. Obama was quite heated.

[AgadorSparticus]

25. I left politics after Dubya was elected the second time. It did me in.

I was so depressed and the economy went to shit. It was too much rightwing.

So apparently I missed out on the gripping love fest between Obama and HRC folks. Thank god.

I guess I just don't remember it being this bad. And I don't see the right going after each other.

[LeftRant]

34. You missed Cruz's people and Trump's people going at it? O.o

Ron Paul's people furiously battled with GOP establishment last time too.

I think with a lot of things, if you aren't looking for it, you won't find it.

I agree with dumping politics out of your life. I just have trouble doing it because it "matters," it affects us all :/

[AgadorSparticus]

35. I heard the banter back and forth between cruz and trump.

But I don't know if their supporters went after each other.

Politics is important. But it can sure get toxic. I think it is important to take breaks from time to time. It will still be there when you get back. ..and most likely not much has changed.

[Scootaloo]

26. This isn't a left vs. left disagreement, though

It's a right vs. left conflict within one party.

[Democat]

42. Only in your head are both Democratic candidates not left

You're entitled to your opinion, but it's not the truth.

[CentralMass]

27. The don't seem to $hit on the their own voters like the Democrats do but they do go after each

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Other. The swifboating of John McCain back in 2000 lives in the gutter with some if the lowest campaign treachery.

[BillZBubb]

29. The "left" isn't tearing each other apart.

The Democratic party is splitting along it's left/right fault line. It's a much different situation than what is happening to the republicans.

The Democratic tectonic plates are moving apart. Those who prefer a more moderate/rightist approach have coalesced around Hillary. Those who want a more aggressive and committed leftist approach are rallying to Bernie.

This has been brewing for some time. This election cycle has brought it to a head.

[AgadorSparticus]

32. I see that too believe the same. But I think the revolution just got started.

Neither one will actually affect the changes we want to see until we get our pieces in place downline. So this election year is what it is. I just don't see why we have to tear the other nominee apart. Whether it is HRC or BS, they are just moving parts for bigger things to come. And I do believe that bigger things are coming. It is really exciting to see the system fracturing because it has needed to do so for a long time. Havingsaidthat, I do have faith that the democratic party will make the necessary changes after watching the Republican party this go round. But, we still have work to do this election cycle. There are supreme justices we need to secure if not anything else.

Let me ask you this: with the fracturing of the democratic party, moderates moving to the right and those on the left going further left, where will the focus of power be? Throw in the fracturing of the Republican party as well, it makes it hard to predict.

And then when you calculate in the sheer number moderates and conservatives, how do you figure the democratic party is going to win elections? If we don't win elections, we can't make changes.

I hope that makes sense. I know what I am trying to ask. I just don't know if I said it right.

[BillZBubb]

37. I get what your asking. I think a re-alignment takes place across parties.

As for the Democratic party, I don't see moderates moving to the right, they already are to the right. The Third Way has accomplished that. They can stay where they are. They would ally with the republican pro-business bloc which is a natural fit.

I also don't see the Democratic left going much further left than where Bernie is today. A leftist Democratic party would pick up a lot of disgruntled independents and working class republicans and the young. Poll after poll shows that a majority of Americans are open to pursuing more progressive policies. Even among republicans there are a number who agree.

This alignment would make more sense with a pro-business center/right party and a pro-worker center/left party, instead of the weird coalitions we have today.

I do agree, this realignment will take time to come about, but something will happen. What we've got just doesn't work--soon a majority of voters will be independents. That is incredible.

[AgadorSparticus]

40. So if both parties fracture, we will end up with 4 voting blocks.

2 on the left and 2 on the right. New Independents will fall into the 2 in the middle, yes? Which then would cut out the furthest left and right. Either that scenario or they fall to the bookends. But will it be enough to over take 2 very established parties?

This is the first time in a very long time that I have been excited about politics. I am at the point where I don't care which democrat takes office. I think either one will be bound to this momentum. This is such a watershed election cycle.

[L. Coyote]

31. And I thought it was all paid trolls. I don't call people left who tear others down.

In fact, YOU ARE NOT a progressive if you do act like a troll.

[AgadorSparticus]

33. I support them too. I think BS is so good for the democratic party.

He is pulling the goal posts to the left and is making the party wake up and pay attention. I think that is his role: to start the revolution. But to actually make the changes? It won't be him. I think it will be Elizabeth Warren in the next couple election cycles. Until then, we are going to have HRC. And I am excited to see how she responds in this volatile environment.

[Democat]

43. I agree, there are many users trying trying to help Trump win

While claiming to support either Clinton or Sanders.

Sane Democrats would be happy to support either.

[L. Coyote]

47. Indeed, and in a dark money world, who knows how many paid trolls are disrupting Dems.

Probably a factory full of them in India working for a few bucks a day .....

Would be interesting to have admin access to the log files on DU, see where in the world the trolls are from.

[Vinca]

36. The right is mostly sheep.

That's why so many of them vote against their own self interest. They have no will of their own for some reason. I don't care how much Democrats fight and bicker. It shows we are independent thinkers who don't automatically do as we are told.

[The2ndWheel]

39. It's funny how everyone on one side always thinks that same thing of the other side

The other side is always the sheep. My side is always the independent thinkers. Everyone on both sides than comes up with their own examples of how each side is what they say it is.

We all have the sheep and independent thinker in us. We all just apply them differently, to whatever we happen to like or dislike. If we like it, we've come to that conclusion through careful, rational, and independent study. If we don't like it, whoever follows that path is a simple minded, irrational idiot, blindly walking through life.

We're always the hero in our own story and all that.

[Democat]

44. It works for the primaries too

If you don't support the same primary candidate I do, you are a sheep.

[Agnosticsherbet]

51. They have in the past.

Look back at the rise of the Teaparty.

They went on a tear, setting up far right wing sycophants to primary anyone that did not fit their narrow brand of "conservative." They enforced the same narrow brand amongst each other.

They have pushed Conservative orthodoxy and drove a lot of their more centrist members and elected officials out of office and out of the party.

It wasn't quite this virulent in 2008, and that was worse than 2004.