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Zynx

(21,328 posts)
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:42 AM May 2016

Trump is far worse than Bush, Reagan, or Nixon.

That sounds like a mighty big claim, but it is true. Some people have tried to rationalize Trump and make him sound not so bad because of a handful of issues. These are, in some order:

1. He doesn't sound like he wants to tocuh Social Security (if you trust him on that).
2. He makes claims he's against foreign military interventions.
3. He doesn't like the current state of international trade agreements.

However, let's even assume you can trust him on all of that. After all, if you trust him on these things, you'll have to trust him on the rest of his erratic spewing, won't you?

1. He wants to commit a human rights atrocity by deporting 12 million people, ripping families apart, conducting intrusive raids and interrogations, and likely engaging in wanton acts of brutality to achieve this aim.
2. In doing this first act, he also wants to build a formal barrier with Mexico and force them into paying for it by limiting international financial flows. This would forever poison our relationship with a country of over 100 million people and probably the rest of Latin America as well.
3. He wants to eliminate basic constitutional rights of Muslim Americans, keep them under specific and intense surveillance, and limit their ability to move freely in and out of the country.
4. He wants to greatly expand the use of torture beyond anything conceived by any prior administration.
5. He wants to engage in collective punishment against the families of those suspected of committing acts of terrorism.
6. He has proposed using battlefield nuclear weapons against our enemies, which would undoubtedly make the US a pariah state the likes of North Korea.
7. He wants to tear up existing defense agreements with longstanding allies in Europe and force them to pay us for their defense. The result of this wouldn't be payments, but rather the end of our alliances.
8. He wants to unilaterally start raising tariffs on all manner of other countries, which will trigger a trade war and a massive drop in U.S. exports, currently clocking in at over $2 trillion. That's too important to our economy to imperil.
9. He has called into question whether he would actually honor our debt in full. Doing this would trigger a financial panic that makes 2008 look like a picnic.
10. He wants to impose massive tax cuts that overwhelmingly benefit the wealthy and balloon the deficit by over $10 trillion over the next decade. George W Bush would even be shocked by that.
11. He wants to punish women for seeking abortions.
12. Breaking from the Republican trend of wondering if we've gone too far with the police state, he clearly doesn't think we've gone far enough. Without being too specific, it's evident he supports the current wave of police brutality.


I can go on and on. Add to this the fact that he is the single biggest mentally unstable buffoon to run for office under a major party who will routinely just meander into crisis after crisis. I didn't even touch on his explicit and implicit enabling of the most virulent strains of white supremacy and misogyny, which are hardly minor issues. There has never been anything worse than this. This is our single greatest threat since the Civil War.

Anyone who doesn't contribute their utmost to this nightmare's defeat is a traitor to liberalism, progressivism, and the United States itself.

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Trump is far worse than Bush, Reagan, or Nixon. (Original Post) Zynx May 2016 OP
But Trump wants to expand Soc Sec while the first thing Bush did was try and privitize it! ViseGrip May 2016 #1
You didn't read my post. Zynx May 2016 #3
Looking back at my OP, it's clear you didn't make it past the fourth line. Maybe try the whole thing Zynx May 2016 #5
Wow, that is some twisted backdoor Trump supporting. Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #9
He's not Hillary, so they believe it. Zynx May 2016 #12
He's a classic right wing populist strongman Warren Stupidity May 2016 #2
To be fair, most Republicans I know just want to jail the doctors. Zynx May 2016 #4
Yeah well the funny thing is that the laws on the books say otherwise and women Warren Stupidity May 2016 #11
And, he seems to be in the early stage of dementia, worse that Reagan was. L. Coyote May 2016 #6
Oh yeah. In four years he'll be a mess. Zynx May 2016 #7
If not in four months. Not everyone progresses as slowly as Saint Ronnie did. L. Coyote May 2016 #10
Absolutely. People dismiss the potential horror of a President Trump at their own peril. Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #8
And he just called for eliminating the Federal Minimum wage. In other words, ZERO. pnwmom May 2016 #13
Oh, but he'll leave it up to the states. A bunch of red state governors would love keep it at 0. Zynx May 2016 #14
Ah, he's trusting the arsonists to put out their fires. HughBeaumont May 2016 #18
Like the time he bombed Laos because he didn't want the planes to go to waste. Octafish May 2016 #15
I'm saying he would do those sorts of things, yes. He's indicated he will commit war crimes. Zynx May 2016 #21
Very possibly. But Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and the two Bushes have killed millions. Octafish May 2016 #22
Trump is an actual madman. I don't believe in over thinking things that are so obvious. Zynx May 2016 #23
I like what you are saying. No need to compare him but since you did, as horrible Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #27
No one, no one is or hopefully ever will be worst than Bush. He invented a fake Laura PourMeADrink May 2016 #16
I hope we never find out whether or not Trump is worse than Bush. Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #17
You don't think Trump could do something like that? Zynx May 2016 #20
No, because he is so overt. Bushco was deviously sneaky. They finessed Laura PourMeADrink May 2016 #29
ANY Republican candidate is far worse than Bush, Nixon or Reagan combined. HughBeaumont May 2016 #19
no. he's not. in fact he's far less worse than all current republican politicians. period. just4lulzidk May 2016 #24
Fascism is the mutated monstrous brother of conservatism. Zynx May 2016 #25
i totally agree with you on the fascism point, and yet i still disagree with the op just4lulzidk May 2016 #26
Drumpf has the emotions of a 9 year old child boy. If insulted, world wars will be started. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #28
Trump has already promised a bombing campaign on ISIS with ground troops if necessary. FSogol May 2016 #30
Certain death and destruction and I will blame anyone who alleges to be liberal who did not vote Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #31
+1 n/t FSogol May 2016 #32
 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
1. But Trump wants to expand Soc Sec while the first thing Bush did was try and privitize it!
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:49 AM
May 2016

Trump is against the wars...Bush started.
This is a meme....and this will not work. The facts are just that. FACTS.

Nice try.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
3. You didn't read my post.
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:53 AM
May 2016

Trump's actual foreign policy is at least as bellicose and far more warcrime prone.

Also, he wants to explode the deficit by margins that would make Social Security unsustainable. Do you really trust this buffoon to honor his word on your favored issues with everything else he wants to do?

If so, you're an utter idiot.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
5. Looking back at my OP, it's clear you didn't make it past the fourth line. Maybe try the whole thing
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:07 AM
May 2016

there, buddy.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,181 posts)
9. Wow, that is some twisted backdoor Trump supporting.
Sun May 8, 2016, 11:46 AM
May 2016

Trump had no problem with the Iraq War until it became clear the Iraq War was a disaster.

How's it feel to be carrying Trump's water?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
2. He's a classic right wing populist strongman
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:50 AM
May 2016

Not a totalitarian fascist, but an authoritarian one.

On point 11 - TRUMPF! was being honest about the consequences of reversing Roe v. Wade. 36 states have laws on the books that will immediately criminalize all abortions when that happens and that criminalization makes active participants in an abortion guilty of homocide. The rest of the GOP is just lying about what reversal would entail.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
11. Yeah well the funny thing is that the laws on the books say otherwise and women
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016

are already being persecuted and prosecuted for fetal homicide. The Republican establishment has been carefully lying to people. TRUMPF! told them the truth and the establishment was horrified.

Oh and I was wrong, it is 38 states, not 36.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx


L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
6. And, he seems to be in the early stage of dementia, worse that Reagan was.
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:21 AM
May 2016

Last edited Sun May 8, 2016, 11:56 AM - Edit history (1)

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
10. If not in four months. Not everyone progresses as slowly as Saint Ronnie did.
Sun May 8, 2016, 11:56 AM
May 2016

Trump is already unable to remember his previous statements, has very poor impulse control, and his universe has become totally self-centered.

His diagnosis will be made public before the convention. I expect Ryan to head the ticket, maybe Rubio for V-P.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,181 posts)
8. Absolutely. People dismiss the potential horror of a President Trump at their own peril.
Sun May 8, 2016, 11:44 AM
May 2016

There were people terrified at the prospect of a Cruz nomination, and justifiably so, as he'd basically be all previous Republicans on steroids.

However, Trump adds a new wrinkle of horror that no other potential Republican can match, not even the loathsome Cruz, even if he doesn't match the staunchest of all ideologies.

Trump adds the prospect of someone with a serious pathological and malicious mental disorder running the country. Then you factor in that he has never served a single day of his life in elected public office at any capacity. Those two things, coupled with his harsh positions, make him the most dangerous drug that we'd never want to see this country ever take.

There's a reason that when I was given a list of about 20 or so potential Presidential candidates (Democratic and Republican) and asked to list them from first to last in terms of preference, I listed Trump dead last, even past Cruz and Jeb Bush (who I detest for the way he ran my state).

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
14. Oh, but he'll leave it up to the states. A bunch of red state governors would love keep it at 0.
Mon May 9, 2016, 08:47 AM
May 2016

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
18. Ah, he's trusting the arsonists to put out their fires.
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:16 AM
May 2016

Good one. That isn't last-century Fantasyland or anything.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. Like the time he bombed Laos because he didn't want the planes to go to waste.
Mon May 9, 2016, 08:57 AM
May 2016

Or those times in Iraq.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
21. I'm saying he would do those sorts of things, yes. He's indicated he will commit war crimes.
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:43 AM
May 2016

Look at his temperament and his stated positions. He's in favor of committing war crimes even before he gets into power. Imagine him dealing with foreign policy crises. Think of that and tell me you're comfortable.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
22. Very possibly. But Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and the two Bushes have killed millions.
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:55 AM
May 2016

Like you, I am tired of seeing my country lead the effort. Trump likely will continue that tradition, as would anyone within two degrees of Henry Kissinger.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
23. Trump is an actual madman. I don't believe in over thinking things that are so obvious.
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:11 PM
May 2016

In terms of destructive potential, he eclipses anything we've ever seen before in this country.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
27. I like what you are saying. No need to compare him but since you did, as horrible
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:26 PM
May 2016

as those other 3 traitors were (two committed outright treason that we know about, W did in a backdoor way with Iraq war) none of them had the temperament that Drumpf has if he is mad or insulted.

He will start wars over personal insults about the size of his hands or penis.

All life as we know it will end.

And many right here on this alleged liberal message board are going to sit out the election or vote 3rd party if Hillary wins.

Fucking amazing

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
16. No one, no one is or hopefully ever will be worst than Bush. He invented a fake
Mon May 9, 2016, 08:58 AM
May 2016

war where hundreds of thousands died and were left crippled. I think inventing a war is and hopefully will be the worst crime of my life time.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,181 posts)
17. I hope we never find out whether or not Trump is worse than Bush.
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:14 AM
May 2016

The best outcome in 2016 is that Bush remains the worst president ever.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
20. You don't think Trump could do something like that?
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:41 AM
May 2016

Just look at the guy. He has Reichstag Fire written all over him.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
19. ANY Republican candidate is far worse than Bush, Nixon or Reagan combined.
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:28 AM
May 2016

Especially if they have "All Three Branches", as Bush did.

Remember . . . some conservatives actually thought Bush the Dumber was not conservative enough. Wrap a head around THAT.

 

just4lulzidk

(60 posts)
24. no. he's not. in fact he's far less worse than all current republican politicians. period.
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:18 PM
May 2016

even if trump were elected president, there's very little, if anything, he would be able to accomplish

all current republican politicians, on the other hand, dedicate themselves to working day in and day out to make your life worse, and guess what? quite often they're able to accomplish those things

so, no, trump the fake republican is not worse than a single one of all the real republicans out there

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
25. Fascism is the mutated monstrous brother of conservatism.
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:21 PM
May 2016

Trump is a fascist. The policies he will pursue in many regards directly harm more people far more deeply than the typical conservative.

 

just4lulzidk

(60 posts)
26. i totally agree with you on the fascism point, and yet i still disagree with the op
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016

what's worse?

the guy who's 100% crazy with absolutely no chance of being elected?

or the people who're 99.9% crazy who are already elected and working day in and day out to make your life worse?

imo i'd say the latter's worse 100% of the time, but that's just me...

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
28. Drumpf has the emotions of a 9 year old child boy. If insulted, world wars will be started.
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:27 PM
May 2016

So in that one way he is far worse than ANY previous president.

No, he doesnt need permission from Congress to start a war, it can be done very easily without declaring war.

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