Locked in GDP. Senator Bob Graham: Obama is lobbying congress of behalf of Saudis...

[grasswire]

....on the 28 pages.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/04/16/sen-graham-on-9-11-blame.cnn

What the heck is going on?

The Saudis have threatened yesterday to sell off their U.S. assets and bring about financial chaos if the bill passes that allows the release of the 28 pages.

Obama has slow walked the release.
..........................................................

This is a big story, on all the networks. It got 29 recs before it was locked.

Let's continue the conversation, please.

[brush]

1. Isn't Graham trying to get the 9/ll documents released, and has been for years?

The Saudi's of course don't want that as there is bound to be some incriminating info against them in those documents.

I think Obama is trying to figure out how to handle a release before his term ends and the Saudi's threat to hurt our economy.

[elleng]

4. Yes, Sentor Bob Graham has been trying to get the documents released for years.

[billhicks76]

31. No Obama Promised To Release Years Ago

But his handler, Bush Sr, informed him he better not.

[brush]

36. Do you have anything to back up such an outrageous statement.

Or are you just talking out of your you know what?

[billhicks76]

38. It's Called Hyperbolic Satire

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The question should be raised and do you have proof of whether or not a certain politician cheats on their spouse? No...but it doesn't mean it probably doesnt happen. If you're looking for proof one way or the other, good luck. Its obvious the Clintons would never cross the Bush family or their allies and my money is on Obama fearing reprisal as well.

[homegirl]

42. Reprisal

against Obama? Of what sort? He cannot run again, he will retire, rest for a while then write a book, set up the Obama Presidential Library and go on the lecture circuit.

[billhicks76]

51. Are You That Naive???

God, I wish I was. Life would be so much simpler...like a lobotomy. Why do you think in 2008 Obama at the last minute not only pulled his promise of a filibuster of the Telecom Immunity Act but also decided to then vote for it. He just saw the rosy side of it suddenly? Are you not aware of what the Bush family and intelligence circles are capable of? Do you know what happened to Ex-Cia Director William Colby when he wrote a forward to a book in 1995 accusing Bush Sr and Cheney in involvement in pedophile rings for blackmail? The ex-olympic swimmer was found drowned where he was fishing. It's called hardball. And thats how they play it.

[Cary]

56. Conspiracy theory much?

[billhicks76]

66. Facts Not Theories

I understand people's fears of not consuming consensus reality. But I'm not a coincidance theorist.

[Cary]

74. Awesome

Another self-anointed arbiter of TRUTH.

So rare on the internet these days.

[trumad]

108. Tinfoil is bright with this one.

[billhicks76]

174. Ah Yes...Another Not So Bright Coincidence Theorist

Who probably still believes the official story of the Gulf Of Tonkin Incident, IranContra, JFK, MLK, RFK, JFK Jr, Wellstone and even the sinking of the Lusitania. Probably would make a good attorney defending the republican officials caught rigging the lottery recently too. Could probably defend sex offenders and claim all in the victims mind and no proof... probably believes everything they are fed on TV as long as everyone in their peer group does.

[senz]

82. I appreciate your sincerity, your willingness to connect the dots

and your ability to think outside the box, bill. You may or may not be right some of the time, any of the time, or much of the time, but I don't think you deserve the putdowns you get from some commenters. I'd rather have a few wide ranging minds like yours around than self-appointed censors and thought police.

If people don't like your views, they can simply ignore you.

Hang in there.

[Scuba]

96. What senz said.

[Silver_Witch]

110. What senza and scuba said!

[DemocracyDirect]

126. What they said.

I really appreciate it.

I thought the MSM manipulating elections was a conspiracy theory.

Now I've see so much of it I am literally beside myself.

[Dont call me Shirley]

163. ^^This^^

[LanternWaste]

117. You should then offer

"Facts Not Theories"

You should then offer as much rather than prophecies and editorials rationalized as satire. However, "I understand people's fear of not consuming conspiracy theories. But then I'm not an irrational person..."

[homegirl]

119. Am I that naive?

I don't think so, I am a former American ex pat lived in a neutral European country for 20 years. Saw them all, met many of them, foreign government operatives, easy to spot after a few years exposure.

Once out of office the fact is that Obama can no longer sign EO's, legislation or wield much influence. In plain language he is not worth terminating at that point. Facts of life.

[GoneFishin]

136. Me too. It would be much less depressing to pretend that small airplane crashes and brain

seizures which attack whistleblowers exposing right wing dirty tricks is just a result of another one of Newton's Laws. Unfortunately that is bullshit. The fact is that right wingers in both parties don't give a shit about ethics and morality, and that extends to the extreme steps they will take to evade accountability and exposure.

[brush]

43. Why not wait and see what happens with the Saudi docs instead of making unfounded accusations?

There have been earlier reports that Obama has signaled to Graham that he will release the documents.

Because of the sensitivity of the information I'm sure you can understand the timing of any release has to he handled with care.

[billhicks76]

88. CNN Reported Obama Would Release Years Ago

Anyone here recall when the Iran brouhaha was happening and Jeb Bush and his father made a surprise visit to Obama? O think Occupy was raging them too. It was reported in the Dallas News...with photos of them slipping in and trying to hide it. I have no idea what was discussed but what the fuck were those two assholes doing showing up without being scheduled? I'm sure some DUers would say oh they just like to see their old house and check out the drapes. Lol.

[MadLinguist]

67. word stew, generated by a bot or a particularly short-circuited human

you add exactly zero to the conversation

[billhicks76]

179. The Bots Are The Ones Who Freak Out When One Questions 911

That is obvious. Them and those whose intellect is too lazy and whose heart is too cowardly to challenge their own self-serving belief systems.

[MadLinguist]

182. ain't nobody freaking out Mr Hicks 76.

I just object to incoherent posts. The questions about how 9-11 came about are numerous and its clear that the public has been given very little real information. None of that makes your post worth much. Didn't even know you were on questioning 9-11, from your post (# 38).

[JackInGreen]

107. One comic to another bill

They don't get it.

[lark]

131. Kathleen Harris died very suspiciously within a very short time after dimson seized power.

They didn't like her telling the truth so they ended the problem. No, exactly zero proof, but she did sting them badly and her death was extremely suspicious and fortuitous for BFEE.

[louis-t]

153. Uh, Kathleen Harris is still alive...

Her husband committed suicide.

[trumad]

177. LOL

[lark]

181. I was so brainless yesterday.

I meant Katherine Graham, don't know how in the world I made that mistake?

[billhicks76]

180. *Breaking News* Obama Will Veto Bill

Looks like Bush Sr and Cheney have another poodle besides Tony Blair.

[Nitram]

71. Obama's handler, Bush Sr? I'd lay off the conspiracy sites and the acid if I were you.

You're getting way out there, dude. Or are you a paid propagandist?

[billhicks76]

89. If I Called You Paid I'd Get Red-Flagged

The only paid sock puppets here are military contractors. I hardly think they would question 911 in any way. Especially with Bushes allies. You sound way more illogical than me. I don't think Obama likes the Bushes or the Clintons and those two families ARE in love with each other and collude. I could easily accept that one reason Obama had flipped on his promised regarding surveillance, lobbyist regulators and military intervention is because he is under constant threat from the security establishment who is according to most accounts the actual government. Handler may have been a bit hyperbolic but the point remains...these politicians are just figureheads and mouthpieces and when they try to actually change anything they end up like JFK/RFK/MLK or maybe the modern more subtle version of being William Colby'd or Wellstoned.

[Ghost Dog]

103. Or, for "little" people, like Dr. David Kelly,

UK's top biological weapons expert (retd.)

[billhicks76]

130. People On DU As Blind or Afraid As Anyone Else

They like their comfortable lives.

[Ghost Dog]

175. Some, many; not all.

Why I'm here.

[YOHABLO]

48. So the Saudi's know what's in these documents and the American people do not?

[AgerolanAmerican]

59. Yup. That 9/11 was a Saudi government operation

What the docs probably don't say is that they did it with the full cooperation of George W. Bush, but maybe once their goose is cooked they'll turn on him too.

[MrMickeysMom]

63. Yep, Yep...

[lark]

132. Exactly!

It's all about them, paying the terrorists and aiding the plot and the Bushes cover up of this.

[Rex]

2. I stand corrected.

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It was a simple mistake.

[elleng]

5. Was the reason it was locked because it was in GD:P?

Doesn't sound unreasonable to me; should be in GD.

[elleng]

9. Lots of silliness happening these days.

[Rex]

10. Too much of it imo, we better start pulling together as a team.

IMO.

[elleng]

12. Yes.

[jwirr]

133. And yes, this is something we can pull together. We need to

see those 28 pages. NOW.

[tammywammy]

17. I messed up in the locking post, it was locked for being in GDP when it's not about the primaries.

Apparently habit took over when I was writing the locking post and accidentally bolded the wrong sentence.

It was locked for being in the wrong forum which is why I said "you can repost in General Discussion."

[Rex]

23. NP. I will retract my statement and I apologize.

This information needs to come out, I don't think it is damaging to our party at all. IMO, this will reveal what was going on during the high level talks between the Bush WH and the Osama Bin Laden family right before they jetted away to safety.

[keithbvadu2]

45. "reveal" - good word

How did Bush know that his Saudi friends and bin Laden's relatives needed safe passage out of this country?

[senz]

79. Yes, the post-911 private flight carrying Saudis & bin Ladens

out of the country, just a couple of days after the attacks, should have been viewed with suspicion by anyone capable of logical thought.

Clearly something "funny" was going on.

Then we find out that something like 2/3 - 3/4 of the attackers were Saudis.

And, of course, none were Iraqis.

[KansDem]

129. "Saving the Saudis" (Vanity Fair, 2003)

Just days after 9/11, wealthy Saudi Arabians, including members of the bin Laden family, were whisked out of the U.S. on private jets. No one will admit to clearing the flights, and the passengers weren’t questioned. Did the Bush family’s long relationship with the Saudis help make it happen?

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/10/saving-the-saudis-200310

Long read but worth the time!

[senz]

141. Thanks! Looks like a good read.

So glad these important events are finally getting another look. It's been almost 15 years, and yet unresolved questions remain.

[KoKo]

145. ...! Worth the read and reread...

[Dont call me Shirley]

164. And remember, no planes were flying after 911.

[Rex]

120. IKR? Sure did seem scripted. They left just a little too fast.

[Omaha Steve]

25. IF that is your worst mistake of the day

It is a great day!

OS

[HooptieWagon]

77. Clinton's guy John Podesta, is a lobbyist for Saudi Govt.

Saudis are trying to keep report secret, so it can't be used in 9/11 damages/deaths lawsuits. Maybe a trillion $ or more in payoffs at stake. If Clinton is elected, she'll certainly keep the reports hidden...Saudis have paid her tens of millions.
Really, this IS an issue for GD-P, as it affirms the level of corruption of the leading Dem candidate. Of course Clinton supporters (including DU ownership) would like to minimize discussusion of the topic.

[ReRe]

125. Bingo..John Podesta is a Saudi Lobbysit.

Hot damn. This rue is thickening real fast. And as for what group to post it in...I would think that just about everything is political at this point, no? Right up until election day.

[HooptieWagon]

127. Since her campaign chair, Podesta, is a Saudi lobbyist....

and would be expected to be part of her administration, I would think most Saudi discussion is relevant to GD-P...including classified reports linking Saudi govt to 9-11. Understandable that Clinton supporters, including DU ownership, would like to restrict those conversations.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

8. K&R Plenty of Opening Posts are locked in strange ways, here at DU lately...

[Rex]

11. Hopefully it will stop once primary season is over. nt

nt

[grasswire]

16. yep, thanks nt

[tammywammy]

19. It was locked for being in GDP.

I apologize, I messed up on the locking message. GDP is for discussion of the democratic primaries which is why I said to repost this in GD.

There was no partisan reason to the locking, strictly due to it being in the wrong forum.

[rhett o rick]

3. So do we capitulate to the Saudi's. They literally own a good share of us. nm

[elleng]

6. Right, they own a good share of us,

hence giving their threat teeth.

[Rex]

13. Maybe their 'stock' has fallen since the price dropped to the bottom of the oil barrel.

We need to see those 28 pages.

[floriduck]

21. It will greatly disappoint me if our President balks at releasing the documents.

And it would appear to be criminal if SOS Clinton knew this while selling arms to the Saudis, even though they then contributed to the Clinton Global Initiative.

[BeanMusical]

40. Totally agree with everything you said.

[Turn CO Blue]

22. I read that if they pull ALL their money, it's still less than 1% of bond market.

If that is a true figure, then let them go for it. It will take a lot of time and effort for them to pull out and sell off their assets.

[SusanCalvin]

61. If your numbers are right, €©£¥ 'em.

Come to think of it, even if it's more, €©£¥ 'em. Hit to my IRA would be worth it.

[dorkzilla]

92. If that's true

There must be more of a threat then they're letting on. Perhaps some prominent Americans will be implicated as well? Afraid we'll figure out how the sausage is made?

[Ferd Berfel]

37. Nationalize their assets

Fuck 'em - they were involved with 9-11

[arcane1]

57. When it comes to the Saudis, it doesn't seem to matter who is president n/t

[senz]

83. Right, and that takes us back to the question of who actually

calls the shots in this country. Is it our elected government? Is it the multinational corporations who buy off the Republicans and too many Democrats? Is it entire nations like Saudi Arabia or China? Or is it divvied up among them? What would TPP do to the balance?

Sometimes I despair that we'll ever be able get back to democracy. Sometimes I feel like running back through time and begging Madison, Jefferson, et. al. to please come to the 21st century and save us because it's all totally fucked up now.

But then I remember that Bernie still stands a chance to win the Democratic nomination. So much depends upon one honest, courageous old man who is giving it his best.

[Enthusiast]

91. It's an interesting question. One answer we can agree on is

IT AIN'T US.

http://occupydemocrats.com/2015/12/31/new-princeton-study-confirms-u-s-is-no-longer-a-democracy-is-now-an-oligarchy/

[senz]

149. Thanks so much

for the link, Enthusiast. Good article and it look like a great website. If I don't survive DU, I'll be interested in other sites where real progressives can talk about what's happening.

[Warren DeMontague]

14. Let em threaten.

[840high]

15. .+1

We need to know.

[brush]

20. I agree. They'll hurt their own econony as well, and I believe we can outlast them.

And they would also be flirting with destabilizing their country as that monarchy is totally dependent on oil money coming in to keep their proles in line.

If we stop buying their oil in retaliation to whatever they try to do by selling off US assets, they'll be hurt worse as we can ramp up our own production and/or get oil on the open market.

I'm sure Venezuela is hurting and would love to have the cash infusion from us buying their oil.

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. BRING IT ON!

[grasswire]

18. also see this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511763446

[drokhole]

24. From the sounds of it, wouldn't be the first time they helped finance an attack on the US.

[grasswire]

26. sigh

yes

[rhett o rick]

27. The subtle threat here is that the Saudi's will pull their payolla to certain

Congress-Critters and maybe even one president candidate.

[Major Hogwash]

29. Subtle? They're being about as subtle as Trump is about women!!

[KoKo]

150. Freezing their assets might be one solution...

We've easily done it with other countries.

[Old Codger]

28. Not real surprising

Really,anyone surprised the government wants to protect our dear friends... keep the close so they can stab us in the back again..just more corporate power being used in an attempt to run the country through money...

[2naSalit]

30. I think it's being slow-walked because

Obama is going to visit in the next week or so and it could be really embarrassing... which leads me to think there's a 50% chance it will be released while he's there.

And then, it will not only expose the Saudi participation, it will also pull the curtain back to expose those traitors in our government who helped make the whole thing happen... like the BFEE and the CFEE for starters. Can't have that now can we?

[grasswire]

32. I don't think it will be released now.

If it is, this will be a helluva summer!!

[MrMickeysMom]

64. Plus, there's that election thing...

Depending on the results of NY primary, the probability of status quo would influence Obama.

[Festivito]

68. Visit's a good reason. Add, 750B$ cash gone means a Bush style recession as an Obama legacy.

The CDO CDS house of cards stands with new wings added to the house. The cash flow problem that brought economic halt under Bush W that he fed and left Obama to continue the feeding would be back again.

The Saudis keep that money in banks. Without that money inside the vaults, things will break down. Loaning goes. Runs occur on banks. Banks close.

I'm not an expert at any of this, is my common sense.

[hueymahl]

118. I disagree

Not with the crap Bush left Obama, but that that amount of money would cause a noticeable change in the economy. It is just too small an amount. And it is pure bluff - it would hurt the Saudi's far more than us. FAR more.

[Festivito]

156. You're right, it's small. We seem to be on the same line of facts.

Our banking system resilience is still questionable. What 750B$ might look like from financiers over years is a big question mark to me.

[billhicks76]

34. Obama Answers To Bush Sr

He saw what happened when Beverly Eckert's plane crashed after trying to bring things to light.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/14/nyregion/14eckert.html?_r=0

[grasswire]

35. Face it. Hillary OWES the Saudis big time.

And it is her job to protect them from this.

Someone needs to ask her directly, RIGHT NOW, where she stands on the 28 pages being released right now.

[HooptieWagon]

78. Saudis OWN Hillary and John Podesta.

[Fuddnik]

105. Not completely, but they are major shareholders.

[sarcasmo]

178. Preach

[RATM435]

39. Obama Bows to Saudi King .

[grasswire]

44. Damn!!

My mother taught me that Americans NEVER bow to royalty.

NEVER.

[keithbvadu2]

49. Kissing is ok?

?w=455

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

53. As long as you don't use tongue.

[restorefreedom]

86. ewwwwww. blec. that photo gets me every time. nt

[thereismore]

115. If it's not on the mouth. nt

[thereismore]

114. I defended Obama back then. Now it seems a bit fucked up. nt

[EdwardBernays]

41. An interesting coincidence

The Saudis lobbying firm in DC is owned by John Podesta, Hillary's Campaign Chairman... Before that he was a special advisor to Obama. And Bill Clintons Chief of Staff. All while owning that massive lobbying firm..

He and the co-owner, his brother, have bundled millions for Dems over the years. All whole lobbying for foreign nations and weapons manufacturers. And big pharma.

And of course the Saudis gave millions to the Clintons Foundation...

So I'm not surprised at all that the Dems are siding with the Saudis over victims of 911. Because that's exactly what's going on here.

I'd also remind people that Bob Graham told Hillary she should read the NIE which said that there was no operational relationship between AQ and Saddam and no evidence for WMDs or a nuclear program in Iraq, two days before she publicly claimed the opposite and voted for the Iraq War, saying it was a good business opportunity for US corporations.

[grasswire]

46. Yes

The Podesta Group is an octopus. From massive Russian bank to Hillary's campaign, to way too much connection to the Clinton Foundation....etc.

[MrMickeysMom]

65. ^^^^^ INDEED ^^^^^

[Festivito]

70. The money withdrawl would make a nice disaster capitalism routine.

It would set the Dems on their heels as unable to effect good economy the same as the Republican disaster at the end of Bush W, exonerating Repubs of that memorable event.

Who started this release? I'm sure it has come with the okay of CIA NSA and enough of the rest of alphabet soup.

Inheritor class rights protected. Revolution in doubt.

[dorkzilla]

94. You known what makes me fucking nuts about this?

The fact that if you replaced the name "Bush" for "Clinton", and "Podesta" for "Cheney", virtually everyone on this board would rightfully erupt with righteous indignation. And yet I've seen some interesting cerebral contortions trying to twist this into being acceptable because "first woman president" or some such bullshit.

And if Clinton prevails and we spend 4 years embroiled in one scandal after another I'm going to remind certain people that they should have seen this train wreck coming and have no right to complain about anything.

[EdwardBernays]

98. The truth

is that - just like with products - people are obsessed with brands in politics. People genuinely don't care very much about war profiteering or corruption, as long as they get theirs...

...and then when they their opponents are shown to be corrupt they unironically scratch their head and wonder how in the world thing have gotten so bad.

It's a symptom of just how lousy humans are at having any real sense of morality... and why hypocrisy is so casually ignored by true believer and beneficiaries of corruption.

Years ago I started this little campaign, locally in Boston, that was basically just t-shirts and stickers that read: Expect More From Your Leaders.

The idea - which is obvious I'm sure - is that we expect so little from anyone in a position of authority that we're part of the problem, a big - YUGE - part.

And my god, the hero worship that surrounds Obama is pretty sad... He's an OK President at very best, and half the time I think that's a very generous assessment.

Between his disastrous foreign policy, his corruption, his stalwart defence of the center-right, and his pretend populism I just... it's hard for me to be a big fan. He's better than Clinton, but dear god what a low bar that is.

[Duppers]

151. Frickin Exactly!

Thanks for posting an-Inconvenient
-to-some Truth!

[onecaliberal]

159. What dorkzilla said + 10000000000

[CrispyQ]

109. Every time I read something about HRC or Bill,

it's less likely I'll be able to vote for her if she gets the nom.

[EdwardBernays]

124. You're not alone.

Many many many of us feel the same way.

[lark]

134. Funny, everyone's dogging Clinton on this, but it's Obama who's held these up for 7 years.

It's the Dem establishment that's covering this up and they are both big cogs in that machine.

[EdwardBernays]

137. And

Right now Clinton is one of the biggest establishment members in the party. In fact Obama inherited Podesta from Bill.

The wheel turns, etc.

[lark]

142. Most of them are in it together.

[EdwardBernays]

143. Absolutely.

That's one of the many reasons Bernie is so important.

[lark]

146. 100%

Help us Bernie - You are our only hope!

[EdwardBernays]

147. This is not

The female President you're looking for.

[lark]

148. Sadly true.

I'm pinning my hopes on an old white guy, who just happens to get it right for a change. Someone who is in it to help others and not just themselves and their 1% cronies. In other words, I'm a Bernie person.

[KoKo]

138. Recommend for Exposure...

[angrychair]

47. Standing U.S. Policy

We do not give in to terrorist threats.
Fuck them.

[jeepers]

52. but we do bend over for dollars

[chknltl]

50. Has Sanders or Clinton responded to this?

I would love to hear their individual viewpoints on how this should be handled.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

58. Sanders has. He said we won't be blackmailed by Saudi Arabia. I don't know if Clinton has spoken.

[chknltl]

62. Thanks. Maybe someone from Clinton DU...

..has heard her response.

[KoKo]

139. Yes, he did...n/t

[ReRe]

69. Hillary was asked by George Steffenopolis (sp?)

this morning. He spoke to her before he spoke to Bernie and asked him the same thing. She would not answer...said she would have to read up on all of it. I think he even said "Do you mean you haven't heard about this?" (referring to the Saudi threat.) And I believe she said no, that she needed to read up or study on it. YouTube should have George's show uploaded by now. Look it up. You will hear for yourself what both of them said.

[chknltl]

72. Sounds non-committal so far.

My first guess is she would prefer not to answer this question.

[ReRe]

73. That's what I took away from the interview...

Hill can't say anything, because she knows everything.

[mac56]

122. "And I believe she said no, that she needed to read up or study on it."

Sounds like Drumpf.

[dchill]

54. Obama will release the docs...

Once Hillary has the nom.

Evil.

[restorefreedom]

87. then he is helping to ensure a gop presidency.

if that comes out in a ge, just another reason hillary will lose.

i think he will try and stall till after nov.

if by some freak chance she is able to win a ge, impeachment hearings will begin immediately.

[Democat]

90. You sound like a pro-Trump troll, go to a right wing forum

Leave those of us who support Democrats alone.

[restorefreedom]

104. trump has nothing to do with this

its about the president doing the right thing for the people and not playing politics with 911

have a nice day

[Duppers]

152. Latest polls have Hillary beating all the GOP candidates

Do they not?

Perhaps this poster was referring to older polls where she was losing?

[saturnsring]

157. they sound like the tbaggers with benghaziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii and emails

[MrMickeysMom]

55. That's no doubt one of the reasons Al Jazeera America went down...

They couldn't get the money to continue AJA in conjunction with all the oil revenue coming down so far, they're loosing their assess.

This is not the dungeon anymore, and frankly, it about time we DID talk about this.

Isn't it funny that after all those people died, the only thing to bring the Saudis down is money?

[HooptieWagon]

84. I read an article saying the Saudis are planning to sell their oil reserves, still in the ground.

This indicates two things. First, that they don't foresee a big rise in oil prices in the immediate future, and they think the money from tha sale will get a better return invested elsewhere. Second, that perhaps they think their hold on power is more tenuous than we realize. If their wealth is no longer in Saudi Arabian ground, then they can skip town if things get too hot, and still have their wealth. Of course that would mean the Saudi citizens couldn't gain either ownership of the oil, nor the wealth the Royal family shipped offshore.

[MrMickeysMom]

85. Well...

THAT sucks...

But, it's pretty sunny in Saudi Arabia and the real uprising would be for the Saudi people to nationalize products of the sun and wind. The world should dig deep on exposing these families. Let the so-called leaders fall.

[Enthusiast]

95. You don't believe there was any Bush—Cheney involvement?

I mean, after all, the PNAC did request a new Pearl Harbor. Seems like an awful lot of coincidence if you ask me.

I think sometimes we fail to see the forest for the trees. Additionally, we see two separate teams in opposition when if fact there is but one. I assume this is the goal of the professional obfuscators that surround us.

[MrMickeysMom]

100. Didn't say there wasn't...

I've always believed in LIHOP, thus mentioned DU-2's dungeon, where I've had my share of discussion (while all the bar flies landed on it).

PNAC was in essence the doctrine that allows this, in my view. It's not coincidence.

[senz]

144. I agree, MMM.

LIHOP is the only thing that makes sense of the period leading up to 9/11 and what happened afterwards. At the time I discussed it in a great little progressive forum that is now defunct, and though I lurked at DU, I didn't have the time and patience to get comfortable with the software. So it's nice to know that some of my fellow Berners see those events the same way!

[SusanCalvin]

60. Well, our dear government, over the years,

Has basically given pretty much every country in the world some kind of gun to hold to our head. So there you go.

[Duppers]

154. ***Arms Sales*** In 2010 **$60 billion in arms were sold to the SAUDIS!!

The LARGEST in US history!

$$$$$ explains a lot.


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2010/10/20101020173353178622.html

[senz]

75. SS questioning Michael Moore's presence across the street from the Saudi Embassy

as he was filming Fahrenheit 911.

[grasswire]

76. interesting

The SS protects them?

[HooptieWagon]

80. Bush covered up for Saudis after 9/11.

The coverup has continued. Sen Graham has been fighting for years to expose them. He not only co-chaired the 9/11 hearings, but was on Senate Intelligence Committee. He knows, but has been forbidden to talk about details and names. That info is contained in the classified documents.

[EndElectoral]

112. What is disturbing is this administration has continued that coverup.

[HooptieWagon]

113. Yes, it has.

The question is why?

[senz]

81. Well that's what I wondered when seeing it in 2004.

Those of us who were paying attention already knew about the Bush-Saudi connection, the private post-911 flight of Saudis and bin Laden relatives out of the States, and the fact that most of the hijackers were Saudis.

Plus, there were news reports shortly after Dubya took office of the FBI being ordered to lay off the bin Ladens. On an old defunct computer, I'd bookmarked the reports. Don't know if there is any trace of them on the internet now.

But from what we do know, the Saudis have tremendous clout in the United States and a strange connection to 911. They are a barbaric regime, forceful over their own people, intolerant of females, given to horrible punishments of their citizens.

Do we tolerate them because of oil? I don't know. Moore's film made the point that they own a big chunk of us.

If we'd listened to Jimmy Carter when he tried to get us off fossil fuels and onto sustainable energy ... I think I could go on a rant ...

[Betty Karlson]

93. So for 28 pages, he's willing to relentlessly lobby congress. But when gay rights were involved,

he "had to keep his powder dry", "couldn't afford to spend political capital on this issue", "which would be mostly symbolic anyway", and "the president had more things on his plate".

Nice to know that civil rights are demonstrably inferior to financial assets of a foreign power.

[Scuba]

97. Kinda like Universal Healthcare, or even it's little cousin Single Payer.

Obama will lobby Congress for the TPP and to protect the Saudis.







The American people? Not so much.





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[Betty Karlson]

106. And Clinton wants to give us more of the same? That's some mantle to don... eom

[Duppers]

158. A $60Bn arms sale may have something to do with this.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2010/10/20101020173353178622.html

[thereismore]

116. He's got his comfortable shoes on now. nt

[Dont call me Shirley]

170. And his "comfortable walking shoes" to stand with the unionists while Wanker was stripping their

rights.

[jamzrockz]

99. Just seize the properties

And freeze their bank accounts for sponsoring terrorism but I guess they may have even more dirt on the US so it puts the US and Saudis in a stand off. We expose their involvement in 9/11 and they hold off their support for ISIS and this will make takiing over or breaking up Syria even that much impossible for the US

[AxionExcel]

102. Release the Evil-revealin Crock O'Shiten (R)

[EndElectoral]

111. Complicity. Thousands of other documents. Documents need to be released not held hostage.

I admire Graham for trying desperately to get this out there for the American people. Amazing that Saudis know more about what's in those 28 pages than Americans do.

Obama's allowing himself to be compromised by Saudi threats. He's got to grow a pair and just do it. Get it out there.

[grasswire]

135. apparently he's covering for someone

someone besides the Saudis. Someone in the U.S. Or someones. Bob Graham said that documents show complicity by parties in the U.S. The interviewer cautioned that complicity is a strong word. But Graham did not back down from it.

Complicity with the attackers.

[Rex]

140. LIHOP.

Watch the 28 pages get buried for 'national security reasons'.

[Raster]

165. I have said year-after-year, that eventually something will come to light...

...and at the very least, will clearly show L I H O P. I would expect that this 28-page treasure trove also clearly shows that certain members of the cheney*/bush* junta, knowingly and willingly turned the other way and allowed 9/11 to unfold as it did.

Further, I expect the 28 pages demonstrate in no uncertain terms, that certain members of the Royal House of Al Saud have been financially sponsoring terrorism FOR YEARS, and Bin Laden's 9/11 "extravaganza" was bought and paid for by members of the Saudi Royal house, with checkstubs and wire orders to prove it.

[lindysalsagal]

171. The realities of what really goes on with world leaders are probably mind blowing

And just like they'd never admit if they ever found alien life, they'll never tell us what really goes on.

I figure it's Iran/contra 24/7, America, included.

[NCjack]

121. If the Saudis are responsible, then we declare war on them, seize their property, and offer them

a deal to avoid us attacking, e.g., surrender all their property in USA and in SA and those responsible for the 9/11 attack.

[SwankyXomb]

123. If it was any country but the Saudis (or Chinese) threatening our economy

like this, they'd already be a smoking hole in the ground.

[blackspade]

128. The Saudis can go fuck themselves.

I'm so sick of these terrorist turds.
Not that we didn't hold their hands and kiss them while they were funding attacks on us.

[Javaman]

155. the 28 pages will be released on the same day that the Abu Garib photos will. which will be...

never.

[.99center]

160. Republican Senator Bob Graham

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[grasswire]

167. thank you for that

Some people can't take the truth.

The idea that Senator Graham is "smearing" anyone is outrageous.

[Dont call me Shirley]

172. Bob Graham is a lifelong Democrat...

"Graham
Former Senator from Florida, Democrat"

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bob_graham/300046

[.99center]

173. Sorry about that

I thought my sarcasm was clear, I'll fix that.

[panader0]

161. Recommended. Release the 28!

Fuck the Saudis...

[Dont call me Shirley]

162. Lobbying on behalf of the pnac gang?! The bush cabal?! Impeachment is off the table gang?!

[Raster]

166. But of course. And we are very close to nominating their newest member....

...to the PNAC Clubhouse, Hillary Clinton, herself.

It would appear the centurions of New Rome have found themselves a new Caesar... and she wears a pantsuit.

[grasswire]

168. and carries a bottle of hot sauce in her bag. nt

[LS_Editor]

169. We should seize whatever U.S. assets they own.

As easy as an amendment.

[GoneFishin]

176. Because by his own admission he is a Reagan Republican. On all matters of money or power

he is a Republican.