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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:08 AM Apr 2016

Worried about your teenage daughter? Move to the Netherlands

Yet, even when controlling for all that, the difference holds. Consider a study comparing the early sexual experiences of 400 randomly chosen American and Dutch women at two similar colleges — nearly all white, all middle class, with similar religious backgrounds. So, apples to apples.

The American girls had become sexually active at a younger age than the Dutch, had had more encounters with more partners and were less likely to use birth control. They were more likely to say they'd had first intercourse because of “opportunity” or pressure from friends or partners.

In subsequent interviews with some of the participants, the Americans described interactions that were “driven by hormones,” in which boys determined relationships, male pleasure was prioritized and reciprocity was rare.

As for the Dutch girls, their early sexual activity took place in loving, respectful relationships in which they communicated openly with their partners (whom they said they knew “very well”) about what felt good and what didn't, about how “far” they wanted to go, and about what kind of protection they would need along the way. They reported more comfort with their bodies and their desires than the Americans and were more in touch with their own pleasure.

Here's their secret: The Dutch girls said that teachers and doctors had talked candidly to them about sex, pleasure and the importance of a loving relationship. More than that, though, there was a stark difference in how their parents approached those topics. The American girls' moms had focused on the potential risks and dangers of sex, while their dads, if they said anything at all, stuck to lame jokes. Dutch parents, by contrast, had talked to their daughters from an early age about both the joys and responsibilities of intimacy. As a result, one Dutch girl said she told her mother immediately after her first intercourse, “because we talk very open[ly] about this. My friend's mother also asked me how it was, if I had an orgasm and if he had one.”

The attitudes of the two nations weren't always so far apart. According to Amy Schalet, an associate professor of sociology at the University of Massachusetts, in the late 1960s the Dutch — like Americans — roundly disapproved of premarital sex. The sexual revolution transformed attitudes in both countries, but, whereas American parents and policymakers responded by treating teen sex as a health crisis, the Dutch went another way: They consciously embraced it as natural, though requiring proper guidance. Their government made pelvic exams, birth control and abortion free to anyone under 22, with no requirements for parental consent.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0410-orenstein-girls-sex-dutch-20160410-story.html

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Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
4. and has the lowest divorce rate as well:
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:07 AM
Apr 2016

particularly their gay marriages are way more stable and stronger than the average American marital union.

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Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
5. I worry that my kids will inherit a planet that is dangerously overheated and run by morons.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 05:37 AM
Apr 2016

The "fear" that they may have sex as teenagers- as pretty much all of us did- is pretty far down on the list of shit what keeps me up at night.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
6. During all of times I've spent with my Dutch in-laws...
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 05:55 AM
Apr 2016

The most frequent phase I had uttered was, "Why aren't we doing this in the States? This makes perfect sense."

Then I came back to America and saw how generally things are fucked up in this country.

tetedur

(820 posts)
8. I wonder if the Dutch also educate their boys about respect and responsibility.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 08:05 AM
Apr 2016

I would be nice if we had more of that here in America.

deist99

(122 posts)
10. Males
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

The Netherlands also has legalized prostitution so I wonder if that has any impact. i.e. Are boys having their first sexual experiences with a prostitute and therefore don't feel a need to pressure their girlfriends for sex?

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
15. That is borderline-sexist: as if guys will go for prostitutes for their first experience
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:19 AM
Apr 2016

unless they can "pressure" someone for free.

Believe it or not, but unless your culture is ridden with some heteronormative "guys must have their first experience with a woman at 18" nonsense, most guys will

a) wait until they have figured whether or not they want their first experience to be with a woman at all

b) refuse to BE pressured (and yes: there are plenty of reasons for a guy to not feel ready)

c) responsably plan the first experience, possibly together with the girl or guy they want their first experience with

d) not pressure women (or men). period.


And most guys will not use prostitutes either - certainly not at a young age- for pretty much the same reasons that most guys don't want to BE prostitutes. In a culture that doesn't put shame on sex, sex is considered consensual fun. Like most consensual fun, guys want it to be a mutual and free pleasure. Amazingly: most girls feel the same.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
13. same as Europe's approach to encouraging vaccinations: they put some damn effort into it
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

beyond "you're stoopid: here's the police to take your kids because you're stoopid"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026209526

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