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(22,871 posts)Double fuck.
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)If they're calling it this relatively early, it's likely because they've matched the results so far to the exit polling, so most likely the result will be pretty close to the exit poll. Maybe Walker by 4-7.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)crap.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)gack
Matariki
(18,775 posts)TheWraith
(24,331 posts)So about 7 points, on the upper end of the 4-7 I'd guessed earlier.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)I mean the polls indicated a few points difference before election and I could see 1 or 2 % points but no...There was just too much grass roots effort going forward and with such a high voter turn out for this kind of outcome with such a high margin of vivtory...There is something wrong.. Money buys votes or money destroys votes and just maybe the Koch Bros were playing both ends of the field.
..When the corporate media talks about exit polling,I remember in 2000 and 2004(ohio) that Repukes were saying.."exit polling just doesn't mean much and not accurate"..And now the polls barely close and these right wing hacks report a victory from results of exit polling....Strange.....
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Pretty close to end result.
WV Democrat 59
(6 posts)No way in hell should Walker have won!! There was a massive Democrat turn out to get a re-election vote on the ballot. There was a massive turn out yesterday at the polls. This outcome was rigged. I believe in the weeks to come there will be a criminal investigates into this matter.
SylviaD
(721 posts)We've lost...everything.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)All they have to do is deny it and the right-wing media will go along with it (it's not just Fox anymore). It may be time to work on those underground tunnels.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Seriously?
flpoljunkie
(26,184 posts)Six out of 10 voters, or 60 percent, told exit pollsters they think recalls are only acceptable if theres been a case of malfeasance or improper behavior, CBS News exit polls found.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77106.html
mopinko
(70,103 posts)as far as i can tell. those big bucks did their job, catapulting the propaganda.
MH1
(17,600 posts)"We" being the society as a whole. Of course not every individual. But the individuals who aren't, were greatly drowned out by those who are exactly that.
What Skinner said. Double.
Versailles
(476 posts)Wife kinda looked at me funny...I don't usually curse out loud like that.
malaise
(268,998 posts)61%??? WTF???
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Rozlee
(2,529 posts)And the polling done before the race. Something doesn't add up and it stinks to high heaven.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)As always.
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bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)it was the Japanese that bombed Pearl Harbor. I know you are joking but some of the ignorant trolls and lurkers who haunt this site might take you at your word.
Hope I'm not offending you, bullwinkle428, but there are a lot of ignorant Republicans out there.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)it almost always sucks doesn't it.
cry baby
(6,682 posts)Ranting_Wacko
(220 posts)The polls haven't been closed an hour. There are still people waiting in line to vote in some parts of the urban centers!
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)mvd
(65,173 posts)NO ONE had a lead this big. This country is in big, big trouble.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)a2liberal
(1,524 posts)they've got the rigging thing down pat
LibGranny
(711 posts)TxVietVet
(1,905 posts)I'm sure they did it elsewhere. The conservanazi repugs are evil, conniving folks.
mvd
(65,173 posts)came here? What happened to all those big crowds in Milwaukee/Dane?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)They were at such an unexplained disparity that I thought
they actually "gave up" exit polling.
gateley
(62,683 posts)Zax2me
(2,515 posts)I'm fucking sick.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)I mean, our democracy has been fucked forever, but man, our democracy is seriously under attack.
Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)I have that bumper sticker somewhere & I think today is a good day to pull it out & stick it in the back window of my truck.
Another DUer asked this morning: Who did Barrett concede to? Walker or the Koch brothers?
Fuck the Roberts Supreme Court & Citizens United. I cried harder last night than I did in 2004. I"m still on the verge of tears today. I feel sick & can't eat a damned thing. I'm pissed & disgusted at the same time.
FUCK.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)theaocp
(4,237 posts)I'd say they're up to their eyeballs in their own voter fraud. Just a thought. G'night.
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)No need to be spending any time in Wisconsin any time soon, that's for sure. On my list of "No Travels" for now.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,709 posts)In Florida the red counties are the first to be counted. They're smaller and easier to count. The urban blue areas take longer.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)But seriously, it shouldn't be this close to begin with.
America is finished. It died in 2000. You all know why...
Cheating and stupid people more concerned about "America's got Talent".
Thanks WI for reminding us that money talks.... and so does bull shit.
Baitball Blogger
(46,709 posts)southerncrone
(5,506 posts)The noose just gets tighter every time they regain power. I can hardly breathe.
Should we all request paper ballots in Nov., or vote early?
Or will we just be wasting our time.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)It's been getting progressively worse eince then, and today was the last gasp.
TBF
(32,060 posts)thread and they called me "defeatist". That's not my intention at all, but I'm also not 21 and I'm not going to pretend I haven't watched what's happened since Reagan took office. He is the one who started cutting the capital gains taxes (which help the very wealthiest investors the most) and you can see the results in the past 30 years with the gap between rich and poor growing exponentially. Now the middle is being squarely attacked, and many don't realize it.
To fight back rather than be completely defeated I think we have to acknowledge what has happened in this country. We've allowed the very wealthiest to steal our 401Ks, break our unions, and off-shore our jobs. How much more are we going to take?
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)Unfortunately, those of us who are over 50 (or maybe 55) are the only ones who remember this.....and only those of us who were paying attention!
I remember in the '80's, Wal-mart had a big "Buy USA" campaign, which in reality was a cover while they undermined our towns by closing down the independent stores in small town America & conspiring w/China to produce cheap crap & ship our industry overseas. Nafta & Gatt just paved the road for a smoother ride for them to take over our retail sector.
So much has been orchestrated over the last 3 decades. We have got to stop "funding" these corporations/ 1% by withholding our $ whenever we can. Difficult, but not impossible. Money is the only language this crowd understands. Take away that power & your cut off the head of the serpent.
TBF
(32,060 posts)I bet my mom talked about it. She was small town but very much a flower-child type from the 60s and very interested in politics. She explained the Walmart thing to me as it was happening. She and my dad (who worked in a small foundry and belonged to a union) weren't fooled.
I have become very anti-capitalism as a result of watching the events unfold during my lifetime. I agree with your assessment of starving large corporations and would add that we need to significantly revise our tax code and political funding.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)redwitch
(14,944 posts)So sad.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)win some / lose some.
Thanks to Wisconsin Dems for all your hard work and for voting today.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Response to Skinner (Original post)
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DearAbby
(12,461 posts)and what is that smell?
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)And his Dad's dirty underwear stuck on his face.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)However, he will be taking slave labor.
Good luck.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)It's still hanging over his head.
Until we stop spending money on the war machine, and start putting energy into educating the people of this country, this is what we're going to see, more and more, I predict.
Stupid people vote for stupid politicians.
dark forest
(110 posts)Ain't it the truth!
maryellen99
(3,789 posts)The wannabe 1%ers.
cyberpj
(10,794 posts)snip-
"When the ballot bags were taken out and placed upon the counting table, we were literally stunned," one of the citizen observers, Mary Magnuson, a Kloppenburg volunteer, told The BRAD BLOG this morning. "5 out of the 6 ballot bags were almost literally wide open, and ballots could be clearly seen."
AND - It happened too fast. As if a point was being made to anyone else who dared think they could challenge Repbulicans and The Koch Brothers.
"Money Changes Everything..."
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)undeterred
(34,658 posts)while the votes are being counted.
spooky3
(34,452 posts)spanone
(135,832 posts)the best government corporate money can buy
I'd say it's the WORST government corporate money can buy.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)a voice of reason
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)mike3121
(74 posts)Keep hitting the Wisconsin Repug's with Recalls.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)I wish I could believe they could be stopped.
bupkus
(1,981 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)the news for months. He make me sick. :puke"
valerief
(53,235 posts)believing the networks.
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)I wonder how many of those counties are using Diebold voting machines....?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)So then we crashed?
Maybe? Just a theory.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)You might want to rethink your response next time.
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FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Damn the Rich
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Or we not going to recognize our own country.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I have no words to express how I feel about the results.
gateley
(62,683 posts)calimary
(81,267 posts)What were they saying? June 5th 2004, ronald reagan died.
Well, looks like on June 5th 2012, democracy died. Buried under a shitload of money in Wisconsin.
bupkus
(1,981 posts)June 5, Robert Kennedy was assassinated.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002770823
Mayflower1
(100 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)bupkus
(1,981 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)bupkus
(1,981 posts)TomClash
(11,344 posts)The fix was in. I told everyone that a while ago.
It may be worse in November.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)people give me the evil eye look when I talk about it
like not mentioning it will make it go away
I hope they prove me wrong
And I was sure of it when I saw the polls a week before the election...they made it close to legitimize it all.
ManyShadesOf
(639 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Once Madison and Milwaukee's votes are in I will concede if it is still showing Walker with a big lead, but I am not giving up until the strong Barrett areas have been counted.
mzteris
(16,232 posts)Grantuspeace
(873 posts)We needed more national help. They left us to fight all of corporate America alone. We brought a knife to a gun fight. The NRA spent bundles. Barrett never had a chance. Yes, fuck!!!!
deaniac21
(6,747 posts)Ninga
(8,275 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Response to Skinner (Original post)
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The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)Your solution to people having financially secure jobs in this economy is to screw them.
This will harm the economy, but you're not educated enough to understand how or why.
tabatha
(18,795 posts)Btw, Walker is going to jail. Just watch.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)You're so stupid you don't even realize you signed your death warrant. I'll gladly tell you I told you so when you're eating shit to survive and Walker is a billionaire. You are seriously TSTL.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)But this is an ominous sign of how much a financial disadvantage can hurt a candidate in a heated election. This election has put more emphasis on how vital it is to keep Republicans from regaining the WH this fall so the Democrats can appoint more liberal SC justices. That way, we can have Citizens United overturned once and for all.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)Double Fuck.
Rhiannon12866
(205,359 posts)april
(1,148 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)What they got was a moderate. People vote for a LEADER. It's Machiavelli 101. (And for whatever reason he refuses to see this. [Or doesn't care to because he agrees with conservatives on so many issues.])
This was predictable.
Edit: This is what really pissed me off the last few years. I finally had to let it go. And it KILLS ME because I had such high hopes for this man.
Oh well... On we go to November...
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Here's to John Doe's Demise
zeemike
(18,998 posts)cause if you look back at how easy it was for them to steal other elections you might despair...better to pin your hopes on the new solution....the law....which will perter out slowly and will be less stresfull.
findrskeep
(713 posts)than a little fishy. How could he be winning by a margin that wide after the massive protests for months, the recall, the huge voter turn out today AND this early?? The only good I see coming out of this is that hopefully NO ONE will just assume that Obama has the 2012 election won hands down and more funds will be raised and contributed and everyone will know for sure that they MUST vote.
bupkus
(1,981 posts)http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/us/politics/walker-survives-wisconsin-recall-effort.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)the real crime. Just MHO.
We need to look at percentages. The new R math.
young_at_heart
(3,767 posts)Their objective of creating a one-party country has been achieved!
William769
(55,147 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I don't think anything we can do will change what is going to happen to this country come November.
It's bought and paid for...
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)I've worked hard for Barrett. I'm devistated, along with so many others tonight.
bupkus
(1,981 posts)Gray Davis was ousted by Republican money in a recall led by Darrell Issa and Ted Costa with plenty of money from millionaires interested in wresting state government control from Democrats. Tonight it's different. Republicans in control destroying the middle class, education, workers' rights, lives, families, but the money is still on the Republican side.
I hope for once money loses but it isn't looking good right now.
I can't believe this asshole Walker is going to win by the numbers they're talking about right now. What the fuck is wrong with this country? Do voters actually think Walker and the Koch brothers have their best interests at heart? Don't they remember what the Bush years brought us? Why do voters vote against their own interests time and time again? Is it just hatred of "liberals"? Are Americans that brainwashed that they'd vote for people who wreck the entire world because they're good at using wedge issues and lies?
This is all just too depressing to contemplate.
still_one
(92,190 posts)TBF
(32,060 posts)shcrane71
(1,721 posts)nvme
(860 posts)FUCK!
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)Never mind. It can't be! Something is terribly wrong here.
I agree. FUCK.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)the vote tabulators
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)fucked. (That's my first time to ever use the word online.)
I don't use it lightly.And you know what? To me, 'hope' is
becoming another four letter word.
I don't believe the numbers at all and I am also surprised
by the jovial attitude of MSNBC this evening. I know Rachel
and Lawrence and Ed want to project themselves as good
losers but where's the angst we've been hearing from them
about this particular race for ? months? That's what bothers me.
We'll never be able to fight the corporations paying for the
election 2012. This is no longer a democratic republic.
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kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)SylviaD
(721 posts)kestrel91316
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kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)The numbers just don't add up!
marlakay
(11,468 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)harun
(11,348 posts)Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)I refuse to believe this.
Either:
A.) There's been some massive fraud on a scale we can't imagine yet...
Or (and this I fear more)
B.) Whoever has the most MONEY can buy election results
Because I refuse to believe that Wisconsin voters, when given ALL the information possible, could do this.
No.
backpages
(5 posts)turned a lot of people off to the recall effort. If the unions had just laid low and worked the recall as a regular election, they might have succeeded.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)we must do something about the media
dgl
(1 post)bringing in busloads of voters spurred the GOP voters to fight back.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)At the LAST MINUTE, they organized a GOP GOTV effort because they saw some buses?
Please.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Can you point me to a single piece of solid evidence that even one out of state person voted tonight? And no a report from Rush Limbaugh is not evidence of anything.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)And it was the poster I responded to that was trying to make a point that the sight of buses made pro-Walker people angry enough to vote.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)Um, wasn't Walker's attack on the unions what started all this? In a state that pioneered union rights?
Why should the unions "lay low" after being devastated?
I thought Americans admired the underdog FIGHTING BACK.
No. Something else is going on here.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)it is hard to believe.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)sunnystarr
(2,638 posts)But they're run through a tabulator. It's a simple matter then of flipping the results of the two candidates. This has been done before. I'm not saying it's what happened yesterday since it's also possible that the majority of voters don't know the issues and were bought by the continuous ads running all year. Citizens United or election fraud? That is the question.
FBaggins
(26,737 posts)You have a knack for efficiency of language Skinner.
Sucks that it can't be put to better use this evening.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Barrett campaign says it won't concede Wisconsin recall race to Walker yet, citing ongoing voting
Tom Barrett campaign says it won't concede Wisconsin recall race to Scott Walker yet, citing ongoing voting - @AP http://apne.ws/KDzBCW
http://twitter.com/breakingpol/status/210197782726848515
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Amerigo Vespucci
(30,885 posts)...after watching a few of the "polling place interviews" on cable news today.
There were a few "Wisconsinites" who expressed pretty sharp anti-union sentiments, who were saying that Walker did "what he had to, for the state."
It just drives home the "red state / blue state" frames of mind. You would have thought that the "divide and conquer" video would have been the smoking gun, the thing that tipped the scales in favor of Walker's ass being thrown out of office.
I live in California, grew up in Massachusetts, and other than that, have spent no time in between other than moving here in a cross-country drive as a teen. I can't even pretend to understand Wisconsin, and the sad part is that there are some voters in Wisconsin tonight who can't either.
sweetloukillbot
(11,023 posts)My in-laws in Iowa hate illegals for taking their jobs and they think gays are an abomination before God - and they are staunch Democrats who voted for Obama and will again in November. I've run into others who hate the unions for their outrageous salaries and Cadillac insurance plans and also vote straight Democratic. And they're all members of the NRA who hate gun control laws.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)I believe R voters were paid as well.
shcrane71
(1,721 posts)Melissa G
(10,170 posts)and I don't believe it!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)3 times more lying drowns out the truth
pink-o
(4,056 posts)Is an indictment. But in a perfect world, Bush, Cheney, rummy and Rove would be imprisoned for life in Leavenworth, so I'm not holding my breath.
So sorry, Wisconsin! As one who survived a recall where the other side used dirty tricks and out of state corporate money only to foist an unfit moron on us, I totally sympathize
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)I am so sorry to all of the members of DU and Wisconsin residents who put in so much time and effort to get that fucker recalled. Also, to everyone who has and will suffer from his horrific agenda.
citizen blues
(570 posts)I'm calling bullshit on the results. For there to be a clean Republican sweep with the type of turn out Wisconsin has had. There's no way. All that money and robo-calling and all the other dirty tricks, I think we know who the FRAUDSTERS are.
Wonder just how big the fucking red shift is gonna be?
Good for Barrett for not conceding!!!!!
crunch60
(1,412 posts)pinto
(106,886 posts)FUCK.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)I say it's not the end. Does Wisconsin let us bring him up for another recall? Spend more of the Kochs' money? Bring it into the Wisconsin economy?
yoyossarian
(1,054 posts)That's BULLSHIT.
I wonder if they're using those "smart" voting machines from Diebold. They're so smart, if you vote for the wrong candidate, they just switch it over for ya!
Bullshit bullshit BULLSHIT!
GodDAMN!!!!!!
SylviaD
(721 posts)I can't really process this right now. I'm closing my computer and going to bed early. Something is wrong with the world, this is like a bad movie.
calimary
(81,267 posts)Seriously? You support what he's done? You're okay with this ruthless agenda of his? Really?????
I can't believe this shit is okay with so many of you.
I actually turned the TV off. Couldn't watch or listen, or even have it on in the background while I'm doing something else. Hopefully we can put on a marathon of "Star Trek" DVDs tonight...
shcrane71
(1,721 posts)This is bullshit. 50/50 going into it, yet Walker wins by landslide with unprecedented voter turn-out? Voter turn-out ALWAYS helps Dems. It's bullshit.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)work our butts off to make sure that something like this doesn't happen in November as well. I'm sick and tired of losing elections like this. 2010 was bad enough and now this. Excuse me while I go and throw up.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)hue
(4,949 posts)I don't know what to say to console You!! Walker will be in prison some day Nikki!!!
think
(11,641 posts)We don''t always agree but my respect is huge.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)I'm drinking wine tonight. This is very disappointing. I'm still very proud of Wisconsinites!
hue
(4,949 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,986 posts)56% to 43.4%. Probably not enough however.
stuart68
(561 posts)proud patriot
(100,705 posts)It doesn't matter if Barrett wins, the Dems, liberals & progressives have absolute power.
Make a list of Rep businesses & Rep donors. Do not spend any money in any of these establishments. Spend your money in DEM,LIB & PROG businesses. Get into their wallets & purses & the REPs will start to pay attention.Show the KOCHS the power of money.This needs to be done whether BARRETT wins or loses.
As for family members who vote REP, turn George Bush on their asses.
"Your either with us or against us."
I,ve been doing this for quit a while
If one is not willing to do something this simple, then they might think about sitting down & shutting up.
DiverDave
(4,886 posts)Well, welcome anyway.
Dave
williesgirl
(4,033 posts)SparkyOR
(81 posts)Let's all just throw everything into one end of the pool and crash the system sooner rather than later. Maybe then all the dumbsh**s getting their social programs ended, their infrastructure ignored, their kids uneducated, maybe then... they'll finally realize that the 1% didn't care about them, they just wanted to suck em in with flag waving and deficit reduction bullshit. I'm angry
You are not angry... Just stupid.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)No way those numbers are right. No way.
Mkap
(223 posts)This is not what democracy looks like
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)for what they plan to do nationally from now on. 2000 was the alpha version. No one stopped them then, so they went to the next level. That's what we've seen since and tonight in Wisconsin.
This, and Michigan with their "financial managers". It's all beta testing. If they get away with it and thus far they have, it's coming to the whole country. Count on it.
Beringia
(4,316 posts)Response to Skinner (Original post)
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WestWisconsinDem
(127 posts)For the first time in my 48 years, 47 of which have been spent in this formerly great state, I am truly ashamed of this place I'm from.
PufPuf23
(8,776 posts)11.11pm: Milwaukee mayor and Democratic candidate Tom Barrett is now making his concession speech: "I just got off the phone with Governor Walker and congratulated him on his victory," he says, to scattered boos from the crowd.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/06/wisconsin-recall-election-results-live
Fucking unbelievable and unacceptable.
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Flatulo
(5,005 posts)has had the desired effect.
Most people just believe that unions are bad.
TBF
(32,060 posts)very sad.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Initech
(100,076 posts)God fucking damn it. Fuck the teabaggers.
babylonsister
(171,065 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)I didn't think that there were that many fools in WI.
I'm just disgusted.
happerbolic
(140 posts)damn, and just called my mah today to hear 'but the national news had said he did such a wonderful job balancing the state's budget'...
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/may/31/tom-barrett/barrett-says-walker-used-credit-card-approach-bala/
really odd and disappointing to see on the fence or disconcerned individuals glaze over when you tell them anything contradictory to what they hear on their vaunted news networks. I try to explain over and over again that now days, like a malignancy one may have, seek out other advice and weigh out.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)There's other continents that would welcome your dynasty with glee - GO there.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)but losing this big really hurts. Unions for state employees will be dismantled state by state now.
ilikeitthatway
(143 posts)All over this recall? Are you alluding to the fact that Big Business can buy seats for Repugs and thus get them to union bust?
DreamsOfEquality
(7 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Wisconsin use to be such a liberal state .. what happened? It's all very depressing that we can't over-throw these Republican Governors .. Perhaps if he is indicted on corruption charges .. Dems have their work cut out for them. But it is disturbing that so many people in that State and others vote against their own best interests .. are they that stupid? I guess so. I think I'm moving to another country.
turtlerescue1
(1,013 posts)disappointment reigns.
You would have loved those sixties! Don't look at the losses. Look at what is needed to win the next battle.
Don't give up on poetic justice either. When Reagan was King in the land of Calafia, he closed the State Mental Hospitals, two years later I started working in locked psych. Learned the FIRST persons kicked out on the street were what we then called the Mentally Retarded/IQ functioning level. I couldn't believe it. "The least among us"!
I still am amazed to this day Ronny was diagnosed with Alzheimer's.
Seven times the $upport-ya think someone wants $omething in in return?
I've got to go, have to tear my sackcloth in grief. And wouldn't it figure, its in pretty good shape?
Kali
(55,008 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)oh wait......
-p
Bozita
(26,955 posts)Thanks, SCOTUS.
Loudly
(2,436 posts)And some reaping from what's been sown needs to happen.
snot
(10,529 posts)despite efforts to "correct" them.
I hope folks in the Elections Group look into this (http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1091).
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)was easily accessible via the internet...
snot
(10,529 posts)Smilo
(1,944 posts)but I guess this really does show America has been bought and the morons that just sit and watch tv and never bother to get off their arses and find out the truth don't realize what they have just done.
Money + fear + lies = GOPT campaigning and it's only going to get worse. So much for caring for each other and ensuring that we remain a democracy - what has happened to America?
vietnam_war_vet
(74 posts)donheld
(21,311 posts)I'm sure you smelled it before, but tonight it's insanely strong.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)shit.
-p
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)Seriously. I have possibly not taken the right pill.
Cuz this CitizensUnitedStates preached it.............................
Throw me in the dungeon and throw away the key.....
\Calling
BULLLSHIT.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)the senate thing is having me like unable to sleep , get with it Racine....
NBC did slip up by declaring they are owned by the Koch Brothers but other than that. I would have been surprised if he lost. He knows how to cheat, he had the money now we have a talking point. WI took one to the gut, so now we can say how the Koch Brothers can buy an election. Which is why I really didn't want Obama in the state. Didn't want Clinton in either but couldn't be helped.
solarman350
(136 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)That Republicans paid for via Citizens United.
Vanje
(9,766 posts)carlos3k
(28 posts)I'm not whining... but I guess its all in the game these days.
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The Traveler
(5,632 posts)The backlash cometh. Conservatives really need to review "A Tale of Two Cities". You are working hard to re-create the conditions that make that kind of horror likely again. Fools.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)I know this feeling. I've had it before.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Ayn Rand selfishness wins the day.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)At my TV screen.
And then I burst into tears.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)rrHeretic
(52 posts)Couldn't have voiced it any better - thanks.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)I'm shocked that anyone on our side thought Walker was going to lose.
shcrane71
(1,721 posts)barbtries
(28,794 posts)do you think that justice just runs out til there isn't anymore?
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CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)"It's not a democracy" is a RW saying which explains why they're comfortable with vote rigging.
BTW "republic" just means a country that's not ruled by a monarch. China is a republic, for example.
Lasher
(27,597 posts)reciting what he's been told to memorize.
daaron
(763 posts)Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)The cheese is not the only stinking thing in Wisconsin.
And FUCK is an understatement. I'll bet the filthy five on the SCOTUS are happy with their work. They have brought down democracy in the USA. By the corporation and for the corporation.
shireen
(8,333 posts)I got home from volunteering at an an exhilarating public event on the Venus solar transit to this news. I could not bear to watch the news last night. Now it's morning, and i want to know wtf happened. Not rantings from upset people, but actual analysis. I'm sure some people will post about it today. We need to know what voters were thinking. Calling them idiots is not helpful. They had a reason for their votes and if we want to make further progress, not only in WI but across the country, we need to understand what they were thinking.
Mrs.Independent
(3 posts)He came across as a guy without a plan and a whiner. If he just once, especially during the debates, would have spoken about what he would have done differently in specifics, maybe more Independent voters like me would have voted for him. Walker has a plan Barrett doesn't and he's not doing anything for the city of Milwaukee but running it into the ground. Doyle needs to take part of that blame too.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)thanks to Racine...
meti57b
(3,584 posts)Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)I thought I was one of the few that tends to use extraordinarily foul language to make my point.
TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)We're in for it now.
Clear Blue Sky
(2,156 posts)I would have like to see the Pres up in Wisconsin pushing this election. Our union brothers and sisters spent a lot of blood, sweat, tears and $$ trying to defeat Walker. Where was the President?
Sorry but a Tweet a day before the election is a weak effort...
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It is not the business of a sitting President, who serves the NATION and is part of the federal govt., to interfere with STATE government or elections. It is not his business, is inappropriate, is unethical, and is just an all around bad idea. It is NONE of a President's busness what a state does within its own government, which is what a recall is.
That's why Bush didn't interfere with the California David recall.
Obama did all he could do, which was to endorse the Democrat. Then he went about the business he was elected to do: run the nation.
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Leopolds Ghost
(12,875 posts)You could see coming.
It is a symptom of a larger problem.
(Not to suggest the Occupy movement is dying, I certainly hope not. I want to remain involved. But it is part of the same momentum that motivated the recall, so lack of momentum for one = lack of momentum for the other -- in the popular consciousness.)
I'd love to see a reversal of the trend, but it is a disturbing trend.
Statistics matter, and in this age of mass media, people operate increasingly as a homogeneous, sheep-like herd. You can tell which way the wind is blowing long before the storm hits.
red dog 1
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From: Democracy Now.org
June 6, 2012
Amy Goodman:
"John Nichols, what about the Democratic National Committee, President Obama not going to Wisconsin, the DNC not putting in the kind of money that people were calling for, although Walker had tens of millions of dollars poured into his campaign from outside the state?"
John Nichols:
"Absolutely. It was a stark contrast. What you see is a Republican Party that is activist and engaged, not just at the national level, but down into the state and local levels. The Republican National Committee chairman, Reince Priebus, who is a Wisconsinite and who's actually a member of the law firm that is representing Governor Walker in many of his current legal troubles, said from the start of the race that the Republicans were, "all in" this contest, meaning that they would be there for whatever was necessary. The Republican Governors Association began attacking Democrat Tom Barrett before he had announced his candidacy. So it was just an overwhelming level of Republican engagement.
In contrast to that, the Democratic National Committee really was in a bit of a wrangle with state Democrats about whether they would give $500,000 for some get-out-the-vote efforts.
And President Obama meticulously avoided visiting the state and made his final contribution to the campaign, which was a tweet on Monday night.
The comparison between tens of millions of dollars and an all-in effort by the RNC and by national Republicans, and a tweet from President Obama, I think, sums it up a little painfully."
Watch/ Hear entire interview:
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/6/6/walker_survives_wisconsin_recall/
Stuart G
(38,427 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)... but remember... Tom Delay was once thought to be invincible... don't fight 'em, indict 'em!
MADem
(135,425 posts)shcrane71
(1,721 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)(By the way, K&R!)