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rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:58 PM Mar 2016

There will be three parties contending for electoral votes this fall.

The "establishment" Republicans don't need to establish their third party. That party already exists.

The Libertarian party has ballot access in 30 states and can probably qualify in all except, possibly, Oklahoma. Their nominee in 2012 was Gary Johnson. He seems to be the leading candidate this year, and he is a plausible choice for Republicans unhappy with either Trump or Cruz. Like Trump, he is a former businessman. Unlike Trump, he was a successful entrepreneur and has experience in elective office -- he was governor of New Mexico for two terms. A proven winner. His Libertarian positions are a little extreme on free market economics, but not very extreme by modern Republican standards, and socially he is just a little more conservative than Trump. He will not get the evangelical vote, nor the white supremacist vote. He is a free-trader. But he is well positioned to appeal to Republicans who find Trump too racist, Cruz too doctrinaire, or Kasich too moderate on economic issues.

Make no mistake -- I am not supporting Johnson: I am a socialist and he could not be more distant from socialism. But if the Lib party is smart enough to nominate him again, I think he will contend strongly with the Republican nominee. Prediction: Johnson gets New Mexico and Utah, Cruz gets Texas, Oklahoma, and Alabama, and Hillary gets the rest.

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There will be three parties contending for electoral votes this fall. (Original Post) rogerashton Mar 2016 OP
No. Four. And Hill doesn't get the rest. leveymg Mar 2016 #1
Why can't he get on in Oklahoma? TheFarseer Mar 2016 #2
Apparently, rogerashton Mar 2016 #9
Two... brooklynite Mar 2016 #3
this year may be a bit different Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #11
Is the Green party the lefts version of Libertarian? giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #4
they are non-corporate pro-environment liberals Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #12
Four, Greens nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #5
Well, it won't be the Green party. And if the Libertarians want to pull away pnwmom Mar 2016 #10
Where do you think progressives nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #13
Most will listen to Bernie. The others probably haven't been voting Democratic anyway. n/t pnwmom Mar 2016 #14
I hate to say it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #16
Many of them haven't been voting at all and yet Obama got elected twice. pnwmom Mar 2016 #17
Tommy Chong for President!!! NightWatcher Mar 2016 #6
Tommy Chong is feeling the Bern Mike__M Mar 2016 #7
Gary Johnson would not carry New Mexico. SheilaT Mar 2016 #8
Greens greymouse Mar 2016 #15
Don't discount Jesse Ventura as the Lib candidate PDittie Mar 2016 #18
Jesse is not now a candidate for the Lib nomination. rogerashton Mar 2016 #19

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. No. Four. And Hill doesn't get the rest.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:04 PM
Mar 2016

Both establishment parties are seeing their best days in the mirror receding rapidly.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
11. this year may be a bit different
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:50 AM
Mar 2016

certainly Johnson has a real chance to attract more vote than other years

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
12. they are non-corporate pro-environment liberals
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:51 AM
Mar 2016

the left of the left wing. If Bernie is not in the race, some of his supporters may vote green.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
5. Four, Greens
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:10 PM
Mar 2016

If I am reading tea leaves correctly, at least one of the two outliers will reach 15 percent of votes cast nationally. Why this matters? A place at the General debate stage in 2020

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
10. Well, it won't be the Green party. And if the Libertarians want to pull away
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:57 AM
Mar 2016

the conservative free market people, great.

Real progressives would never go for the libertarian nonsense.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. Where do you think progressives
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:38 AM
Mar 2016

Who feel left behind by dems will go to? Libertarian party? The hole is not on the right actually in this political realignment though I expect R's to break libertarian

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
16. I hate to say it
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:03 PM
Mar 2016

But people are angry and they want change

Oh and 43 percent of voters are non aligned

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
17. Many of them haven't been voting at all and yet Obama got elected twice.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:24 PM
Mar 2016

Obama won despite the majority of white votes -- male and female -- going to his opponents.

And Hillary now has an advantage he didn't -- she has an advantage among white women. ( In addition to minority women, minority men, and older, more reliable voters.)

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
7. Tommy Chong is feeling the Bern
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:21 PM
Mar 2016

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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
8. Gary Johnson would not carry New Mexico.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 10:23 PM
Mar 2016

He's very much off the radar here, although maybe it's because I only moved here in 2008 that I know so little about him. He's occasionally mentioned in the local paper, but he does not seem to have much of a political presence here at this point in his life. The impression I had when he was running for the Republican nomination in 2012 was that he was a has-been. And now that he's an avowed Libertarian, no one takes him seriously.

So I'll repeat myself: Gary Johnson would not carry this state. Moreover, I find it impossible to picture him (or any third party candidate for that matter) carrying any states.

greymouse

(872 posts)
15. Greens
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:19 PM
Mar 2016

If Bernie doesn't get the nomination, it will be a boost for the Greens. Some people who can't stomach Hillary will vote Green to help them stay on the ballot.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
18. Don't discount Jesse Ventura as the Lib candidate
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:53 AM
Mar 2016
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/29/jesse-ventura-i-ll-run-for-president-if-bernie-loses.html

It's rather surreal reading that article, considering the Beast's Clinton bias and what appears to be a few contradictory statements by Jesse the Body. But keep in mind he was the second of two actors in Predator to have been elected governor of a so-called liberal state.

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