So looks like Marco Rubio is ineligible to be President as well like Ted Cruz

[NewsCenter28]

R.I.P. Rubio/Cruz campaigns:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/republicans/12167744/Now-Donald-Trump-questions-whether-Marco-Rubio-is-eligible-to-become-American-president.html

Thoughts on this?

[malaise]

1. From the article - this is not true

In the same way he has raised questions over the candidacy of Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada to American parents.

Cruz's father was Cuban

[Demonaut]

36. I caught that too...terrible writing or deliberate disinformation?

[malaise]

45. More likely the latter

[Ms. Yertle]

2. Rubio

was born in this country to immigrant parents. That makes him as American as anyone whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower.

This is total bullshit.

[hlthe2b]

4. This^^^

Yes, Rubio, having been born in the US is a US citizen. THis is BS

[Demonaut]

37. The Mayflower group were English citizens

The United States of America did not exist

[Ms. Yertle]

49. Irrelevant

Their descendants, if born here, are citizens. So is Rubio.

[sharp_stick]

3. IMO they are both eligible

This birther crap is dumb.

[B Calm]

20. The way I understand it. When Cruz was born, Canada didn't have dual citizenship and Teds mother

was a Canadian citizen and registered to vote.

[sharp_stick]

22. Canada

can't tell any other country whether or not a person is a citizen. If the US says he's a citizen he is.

[B Calm]

23. She had to give up her US citizenship to become a Canadian citizen.

[Mariana]

28. Is there any evidence that she renounced her US citizenship

before Teddy was born?

[B Calm]

34. At this timeline in Canadian history she would of had to

renounce her US citizenship to become a Canadian citizen and be eligible to vote in Canadian elections. Is there proof she did this? Canadian law at that time would say she would of had to.

[Mariana]

50. So show me some evidence she was a Canadian citizen.

Just as a by the way, telling the Canadians one renounces US citizenship does not result in the automatic loss of it. If you can find evidence that she renounced her US citizenship to the proper US authorities, that would be a different matter.

[B Calm]

59. I'm sure if this does go to court, lawyers will be all over this. I do think it should be settled

one way or another before Cruz wins (lol) the election.

[Mariana]

63. One thing is for sure.

Canadian law will not be an issue. In a US court, Canadian laws regarding citizenship do not take precedence over US laws regarding citizenship.

[B Calm]

65. I know what your saying, but US law applies to US citizens.

[Mariana]

66. Exactly.

So, the thing to find out is what US law said about how one would renounce US citizenship at the time in question, and to find out if she did so according to the US law. Canadian law is not relevant.

[sharp_stick]

29. Only if she actively renounced it

Lots of people were, illegitimate dual citizens back them. Canada had a rule saying that you couldn't hold another citizenship but they rarely if ever enforced it.

If there is some evidence that she did renounce the US citizenship this could get interesting.

[B Calm]

35. Did Canada have a form letter that she signed renouncing her citizenship or did she orally

renounce her US citizenship? Not sure what proof there is other than what Canadian law specifically said during this time frame. There is in my opinion a damn good case against Ted Cruz legality of being a US citizen. For some here linking Obama and the right-wing birthers with Ted Cruz is ridiculous.

[kwassa]

40. Long form letter or short form letter?

[Mariana]

51. Canada could not enforce that.

You're right of course. Canada doesn't get to override other countries' citizenship laws. I don't know why anyone thinks Canadian law is relevant in any way to eligibility to serve as President of the United States.

[Demonaut]

38. true...but the distinction is in the Natural born or Naturalised

he's a citizen but is he eligible to be POTUS?

[NutmegYankee]

52. If he was a citizen at birth, he's a natural born citizen

It's really simple - were or were you not a citizen at birth? If you were, you're natural born. If not, you will need to get naturalized later in life.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

41. Then you understand it wrong

She hadn't lived in Canada long enough at the time of Ted Cruz's birth to have become a citizen.

She was an American citizen at the time he was born; she may have become a Canadian citizen after his birth, but that would be irrelevant to his status at birth.

[eShirl]

48. Canadian laws don't change U.S. laws. n/t

[B Calm]

62. Never said they did. If she gave up her US citizenship to be a registered voter in Canada, then

her son Ted is not a US citizen.

[AxionExcel]

5. Where the flipping blue blazes is his long-form birf certificate?

You'd think the Republicans would be building a yuuuggge freaking wall (and making the CubaNadians pay for it) to keep this APPARENT ALIEN away from the money vaults of their beloved plutocrats & theocrats. But then again, IOKIYAR.

[GGJohn]

7. Irrelevant,

he was born on US soil, which makes him a US citizen fully eligible to be POTUS.

[AxionExcel]

10. You mean like President Obama?

Gosh, and golly gee. Please let the Republicans in on this. They seem to have yuuuuge problems comprehending it.

[GGJohn]

11. Exactly like President Obama, and I doubt the repukes would

be able to comprehend this.

[onenote]

27. repub birther theories center more around where he was born

and the nutty belief that he was born outside the US

[Demonaut]

39. Obama was born on US soil to a US Citizen mother

there's a bit of a difference to the Cubans running for pres

[malokvale77]

13. Oh no, an anchor baby. nt

[Bettie]

24. Born in the US

thus he is a citizen...and one of those anchor babies he hates so much.

[malaise]

46. My oldest sister was born in New York

because my mom went into labor when their ship was in the harbor. Her citizenship has never been questioned and that was 1945.

[GGJohn]

6. Oh look, another birther,

Rubio was born in the US to parents that immigrated to the US, that makes him a US citizen, fully eligible to be POTUS.

[Wounded Bear]

8. SSDD...nt

[Amishman]

9. for crying out loud, there are way more legitimate things to criticize him about

this nonsense doesn't help anything

[CommonSenseDemocrat]

14. It helps Trump

[WolverineDG]

12. He's playing to the anti-Mexican "no anchor baby" contingent of the GOP

Rubio was born in the US & under the 14th Amendment, that makes him a citizen of the US. Trump is just full of it, as usual.

[CommonSenseDemocrat]

15. But it works with that electorate

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. One professor wondering about whether it's "settled law" and all the Internet dunces

will suddenly become legal experts, a la their dumbass opinions on Cruz.

[Retrograde]

16. I have a lot of problems with Florida

and sometimes I think we should just give it back to Spain, but much as I had to admit it, Marco is one of ours.

[loyalsister]

18. Birtherism is ugly no matter who it comes from

Questioning a their citizenship plays into biases and hate directed towards imiigrants and Latinos. It's a hateful bigoted strategy and Democrats should reject it.

[WinkyDink]

42. Lies about Kenya are markedly diiferent from TRUTH about Canada, e.g.

[loyalsister]

44. It still exploits ant-immigrant sentiments

It takes advantage of the mentality that there is something wrong with people who are not American and they don't belong here.

[oberliner]

19. Wouldn't that also make Obama ineligible?

This is so stupid.

[B Calm]

26. When you compare it with Rubio, not so with Cruz.

[NutmegYankee]

21. If you are born on American Soil, you are an American. NT.

[onenote]

25. My thought on this? That if Trump said it the opposite is probably true.

Your "RIP" is not just premature, its not supported by anything remotely approaching reality.

[mercuryblues]

30. o/t

I have noticed a media spin with Rubio. Best poised; closest challenger; Marcomentum; shows strength; conservative alternative to Trump; and so on. What??? Rubio has not won a primary, he beat Cruz by .2% = 1,000 votes and has 10 delegates(cruz has 11).

I would say all things considered Cruz is beating Roboto. Rube has been given the establishment GOP blessing and is being pushed by the media as a winner.

[Iggo]

31. Take this birther bullshit somewhere else please.

Thank you!

[GGJohn]

32. You should probably delete this birther bullshit,

because your headline has been proven wrong.

[Person 2713]

33. Must really piss off Trump that people named Rafael Cruz and Marco Rubio are his biggest

competitors . His voters probably feel the same.
He is a long term Obama birther so not surprised this is coming up
Ain't no way they are real Muricans to him and his crowd
No Rec

[KamaAina]

43. Why? Because a vulgar talking yam says so?

[calguy]

47. According to the GOP guidelines......

The birther thing is only applicable to black Democrats.

[elleng]

53. Rubio is eligible; he was born in the U.S., in Miami, FL;

Cruz is not eligible; he was born in Canada.

[NutmegYankee]

54. You can be born elsewhere and inherit the citizenship from a parent.

The key behind "natural born" is that you were a citizen at birth and didn't chose to become one later having had allegiance to another country in your youth. This is also why the "and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States" rule was also invoked - tacit acknowledgement that you might be abroad as a child.

Of course, seeing how some people on DU read the Constitution, I'm surprised that no one has tried to argue that cesarean section birth doesn't disqualify you.

[elleng]

55. Ordinarily, yes, but one cannot inherit 'natural born' citizenship

for the purpose of serving as President.

Ted Cruz is not eligible to be president.

by Mary Brigid McManamon January 12
Mary Brigid McManamon is a constitutional law professor at Widener University’s Delaware Law School.

'Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) is not a natural-born citizen and therefore is not eligible to be president or vice president of the United States.

The Constitution provides that “No person except a natural born Citizen .?.?. shall be eligible to the Office of President.” The concept of “natural born” comes from common law, and it is that law the Supreme Court has said we must turn to for the concept’s definition. On this subject, common law is clear and unambiguous. The 18th-century English jurist William Blackstone, the preeminent authority on it, declared natural-born citizens are “such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England,” while aliens are “such as are born out of it.” The key to this division is the assumption of allegiance to one’s country of birth. The Americans who drafted the Constitution adopted this principle for the United States. James Madison, known as the “father of the Constitution,” stated, “It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. .?.?. place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.”

Cruz is, of course, a U.S. citizen. As he was born in Canada, he is not natural-born. His mother, however, is an American, and Congress has provided by statute for the naturalization of children born abroad to citizens. Because of the senator’s parentage, he did not have to follow the lengthy naturalization process that aliens without American parents must undergo. Instead, Cruz was naturalized at birth. This provision has not always been available. For example, there were several decades in the 19th century when children of Americans born abroad were not given automatic naturalization.' >>>

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ted-cruz-is-not-eligible-to-be-president/2016/01/12/1484a7d0-b7af-11e5-99f3-184bc379b12d_story.html

[NutmegYankee]

56. If he didn't have to get naturalized, he's natural born.

Anything other that is birtherism bullshit.

[elleng]

57. No. Read the scholarly article.

It's a serious issue that will have to be decided by the Supreme Court.

'Birtherism bullshit' occurs when fools dispute facts such as Barack Obama was NOT born in the United States.

[NutmegYankee]

58. I've read it before. And found it to be bullshit.

I usually read the WAPO and saw it when it came out.

[CTyankee]

61. I agree!

[elleng]

64. GOOD, yank!

How ya doin'???

[CTyankee]

67. still struggling with shingles pain.It is now officially post herpetic neuralgia.

This morning I took the wrong dosage of the Lyrica. It was double my usual dose and the idea is that i would work up to it. He had given me the lower dosage in blister packs but I was too foggy to get his instructions clearly (they were very complicated and also involved another strong drug. I needed to have both sets of dosage instructions from him written down. It all worked out but I was out of it all day!

From now on, ALL dosage instructions will be written down. The problem is that I am so shaky that writing is difficult.

He is concerned now about my memory issues.

[elleng]

68. Oh JEEZE!

[struggle4progress]

60. "I can't vote for somebody born in Miami! I want a chance to vote for somebody born in the USA!

Our last president was born in Connecticut! It's somewhere near Scotland. I couldn't even find it on the map! How is that constitutional? Our current president was born in Hawaii in Kenya! But now the CIA has removed Hawaii from all the maps of Kenya! And the Republicans are running somebody from Miami? Really? Give me a break!"