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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:32 AM Feb 2016

New Hampshire Students Say They Were Illegally Turned Away From the Polls

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/35108-new-hampshire-students-say-they-were-illegally-turned-away-from-the-polls

Plymouth State senior Jack Swymer headed to the polls around 11:30 a.m. to cast a ballot for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT). He tried to take advantage of the state’s same-day registration process, but a poll worker told him that since he didn’t have a proof of his residence, he couldn’t vote.

“I live off-campus, and the bills are in my roommate’s name,” he told ThinkProgress. “I wasn’t familiar with all the voting laws, so I just did what the poll workers’ advice because I figured they knew what they were doing.”

It turns out, they did not.

Smymer, who grew up in New Hampshire and now studies graphic design, left the polling place dejected, assuming he couldn’t vote, when he ran into a team of volunteers from the non-partisan environmental organization NextGen. They informed him of his right under the state’s new voter ID law to vote by signing an affadavit, and he went back in and demanded one.

“All I wanted to do is vote,” he said. “It’s important for everyone to vote, but especially students. We are the future, and our voice should be heard.”

As hundreds of thousands of New Hampshire residents cast their votes today in the nation’s first presidential primary, voting rights organizers feared that the state’s newly implemented voter ID law would create confusion, long lines, and cases of voter suppression — especially impacting New Hampshire’s younger voters.



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New Hampshire Students Say They Were Illegally Turned Away From the Polls (Original Post) eridani Feb 2016 OP
this is mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #1
Take your cellphone with you and get it on record gyroscope Feb 2016 #2
Recording at most poll locations is illegal. Lochloosa Feb 2016 #3
Why would that be? gyroscope Feb 2016 #6
Ballots are supposed to be secret Freddie Stubbs Feb 2016 #7
I'm not talking about ballots gyroscope Feb 2016 #8
I don't even see the reasoning behind making recording your own ballot illegal. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #9
An example would be, if say your boss wanted some proof of how you voted. -none Feb 2016 #14
What gyroscope said. BlueJazz Feb 2016 #12
Video taping at a polling place is illegal in Texas Gothmog Feb 2016 #5
Actually, I was wrong about recording being illegal. I thought that was the case. Lochloosa Feb 2016 #19
The Texas voter id law is far stricter compared to N h law Gothmog Feb 2016 #4
Thanks For Posting This... ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #10
Be informed. Laws by state Amimnoch Feb 2016 #11
The Establishment has always benefitted from residency requirements. Orsino Feb 2016 #13
It Takes Only A Few Minutes... cynzke Feb 2016 #15
Also, don't assume the election workers are part of a conspiracy to keep you from voting... brooklynite Feb 2016 #17
And it takes only a few minutes for those guidelines to change. jeff47 Feb 2016 #21
Establishing residency is hard if you live with someone else 1939 Feb 2016 #16
It took me 9 tries to get a NY driver's license. jeff47 Feb 2016 #22
When was the last time anyone ever saw an election in which there wasn't someone from both.... George II Feb 2016 #18
lesson learned???? do not do last minute dembotoz Feb 2016 #20
Exactly SoCalDem Feb 2016 #23
K&R! countryjake Feb 2016 #24

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
1. this is
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:37 AM
Feb 2016

a classic example of how important voter education is...it's important to show young voters how they can access all this information on line at their sec of state's website...in what ever state they are in ...pass it on...cheers, Maggie

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
6. Why would that be?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:02 AM
Feb 2016

don't want their shenanigans caught on tape?

the legality depends on your local laws, but it is not illegal in most places.
its usually just illegal to record your ballot on video, but you can record everything else in most cases.

if not then they'll simply tell you to put the camera away.
but why would they tell you that unless they have something to hide?

we (supposedly) live in a free open democratic society and have the right to record a public polling station.
these are not private businesses they are public domain and their activities should be transparent not hidden from public view.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
9. I don't even see the reasoning behind making recording your own ballot illegal.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:23 AM
Feb 2016

I can see recording someone else's being illegal, but you bloody well should be able to record your own. There can be no excuse for making that illegal than making it easier to alter the outcome of the election. Imagine if all of us were able to post our own ballots in public if we so chose. You wouldn't be able to 'undercount' those votes, and if there were enough of them posted, you'd be able to see if some polling places were recording so many opposing 'votes' that the total added up to more voters than were in the district.

-none

(1,884 posts)
14. An example would be, if say your boss wanted some proof of how you voted.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:17 AM
Feb 2016

Like if he were an anti-union and wanted you to vote for Cruz or some other wingnutz.
Its happened often enough, it's made illegal in most places. It helps stop coercion on voting.

Lochloosa

(16,064 posts)
19. Actually, I was wrong about recording being illegal. I thought that was the case.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:01 AM
Feb 2016

Here is a link for each state. Most do not prohibit it....so record away.

http://www.dmlp.org/state-law-documenting-vote-2012

Gothmog

(145,231 posts)
4. The Texas voter id law is far stricter compared to N h law
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:30 AM
Feb 2016

You can not use student ids and there is no way to vote without is

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
10. Thanks For Posting This...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 09:57 AM
Feb 2016

The RULES have changed and while it's disgusting, fighting it now is almost impossible. Video taping rules or not I'm sure whatever pressure they want to take they will take. It seems that some poll watcher could interpret ANY rules in ANY ways they want.

Yeah, so much for DEMOCRACY!

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
11. Be informed. Laws by state
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:06 AM
Feb 2016

Note, this list is from 2012 so there may have been some changes since then, but I imagine it is likely mostly accurate:

http://www.dmlp.org/state-law-documenting-vote-2012

Looks like video taping the interaction was well within the law there.

I may be on the other side of aisle when it comes to the primary, but voter disenfranchisement disgusts me. What's used against my candidates opponent today could very well be used against my candidate tomorrow.

EVERY measure should be taken in EVERY election to ensure EVERY citizen has the BEST opportunity to vote their choice.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
13. The Establishment has always benefitted from residency requirements.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:15 AM
Feb 2016

Homeless and transient people are easily rendered invisible by such laws.

It's hardly a Clinton conspiracy, but rather a problem with Constitutional interpretation. The burden of proof rests on the individual voter to cough up whatever pieces of paper might be required on a given Tuesday. I believe that the right to vote ought to be the default assumption, and that a government ought to have to jump through hoops to disenfranchise anyone.

Ultimately, Big Money benefits, and certain candidates are more likely to gain an advantage thereby.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
15. It Takes Only A Few Minutes...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:19 AM
Feb 2016

To access voter guidelines on the net. Don't assume you know everything in advance. ESPECIALLY out of state students. There is no excuse not to be prepared.

brooklynite

(94,552 posts)
17. Also, don't assume the election workers are part of a conspiracy to keep you from voting...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:23 AM
Feb 2016

...They doe this once every year or two, and are not always well-trained.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
21. And it takes only a few minutes for those guidelines to change.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:18 PM
Feb 2016

My state's new ID requirement has changed several times in the last year, due to legal challenges.

Some of those changes would require starting the ID process long before election day. Some were overturned, but if they are put back in force by a higher court, there's plenty of people who would be screwed.

1939

(1,683 posts)
16. Establishing residency is hard if you live with someone else
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:23 AM
Feb 2016

When we sponsored my wife's sister and her family for immigration some years back, they lived with us for four years. Since all of the utility bills and real estate tax bills were in our name, we had to establish residency for them to get learners permits and later drivers licenses. What we had to do was to get them a savings account and wait for the first monthly statements from the bank in their names before the "coffee coolers" at the DMV would admit they existed. Green cards by themselves wouldn't establish residency.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
22. It took me 9 tries to get a NY driver's license.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:19 PM
Feb 2016

I had a valid Colorado license, and had moved to NY. My gf-at-the-time-now-wife set up the utilities, so they were in her name. Also, what I was required to show the clerk changed in 7 of those 9 attempts.

George II

(67,782 posts)
18. When was the last time anyone ever saw an election in which there wasn't someone from both....
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:34 AM
Feb 2016

....or all sides complaining that they weren't "allowed" to vote or there were voting irregularities?

dembotoz

(16,804 posts)
20. lesson learned???? do not do last minute
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:41 AM
Feb 2016

actually a good general rule

don't register to vote at the last minute
don't do your valentine reservations at the last minute
or xmas shopping at the last minute


too much opportunity for shit to go wrong

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
23. Exactly
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 01:39 PM
Feb 2016

If voting is important to you, you should GO to the Voting Registrar's office with everything you have..birth certificate, passport, student ID, any bills in your name at your address, Costco photo ID...the works....register there..and then check online (in most states probably) to make sure you are registered..

Do not wait until voting day to register

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