Pigs Shoot Up WRONG Truck 100 Times, Almost Killing 2 Ladies

[SoCalMusicLover]

3 years later, NO CHARGES filed by DA.

Decides that officers had every right to do what they did since truck vaguely matched description of suspect's vehicle. It was actually driven by 2 Hispanic ladies delivering newspapers in early morning hours.

But Good News!!! The Pigs received training after the incident, to make sure it doesn't happen again.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-no-charges-lapd-shooting-newspaper-delivery-women-dorner-manhunt-20160127-story.html

[randys1]

1. Did these Women successfully sue the city for many millions, I hope?

[csziggy]

2. $4.2-million legal settlement

From the link in the OP: "Hernandez was shot twice. Carranza suffered cuts to her hand, likely from broken glass. Both women survived and received a $4.2-million legal settlement from the city."

[randys1]

9. Thanks, good. This is one way to get action as cities dont want these lawsuits

But that the city reacted this way to these cops make you want to puke

[valerief]

3. How is this not a police state with our Gestapo doing whatever they will? nt

[lpbk2713]

4. If that is excusable then we are not safe in the streets.

And all "fleeing from police" laws should be stricken from the books
because who wants to be shot by the law in a case of mistaken identity?

[xocet]

5. "...Vaguely matched..." is being generous. Both vehicles were pickups, IIRC, but that was it. n/t

[beevul]

27. I remember this.

Dorners truck was grey, and was reported as grey in the BOLO and such.

There is NO excuse for this. None.

[xocet]

40. Do you recall the other guy that they "took down" in their haste to get Dorner?

Please take a look at the picture of his truck in the third article that I have included in this reply:

Judge: Torrance must name officer who shot at wrong man in Dorner hunt
November 15, 2013 | By Joseph Serna and Joel Rubin


A man who was shot at by Torrance police during the hunt for ex-Los Angeles police Officer Christopher Dorner will finally learn the name of the officer who shot at him, a judge ruled Wednesday.

A federal district court judge ordered the city of Torrance on Wednesday to give David Perdue the name of the officer who shot at him on Feb. 7 within 30 days, KABC-TV reported.

Perdue was wrongly targeted during the search for Dorner, a cop-killer who had written in a manifesto he was going after police. The city has already reimbursed him $20,000 for damage to his pickup truck, his attorney said.

Early on the morning of Feb. 7, Perdue was driving toward the beach to surf before starting a shift at his job as a baggage handler at Los Angeles International Airport when a Torrance police cruiser rammed into his truck and at least one of the officers in the car fired repeatedly at Perdue.


http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/15/local/la-me-ln-torrance-dorner-20131115

Claim Denied for Man Mistaken for Christopher Dorner in Manhunt
David Perdue was mistaken for a rogue ex-LAPD officer on a deadly rampage in February
Published at 12:00 PM PDT on Jul 9, 2013

...

He was shot at even after being cleared by other officers after they were satisfied he was not the man they were looking for, court documents said.

Police encountered Perdue while searching for ex-LAPD Officer Christopher Dorner, wanted in a revenge-fueled killing spree from Feb. 3–12 that left four people dead, including two police officers, and wounded three other police officers.

Dorner fatally shot himself while hiding out in a Big Bear cabin.

Perdue, 38, who is white, and under 6-feet tall, was mistaken for Dorner, a black man, who stood 6 foot 2.

...

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Negotiations-Crumble-in-Dorner-Civil-Lawsuit-214783581.html

Torrance to pay $1.8 million to settle surfer David Perdue’s lawsuit in mistaken Christopher Dorner shooting
By Larry Altman, Daily Breeze
Posted: 07/24/14, 3:03 PM PDT | Updated: on 07/24/2014


The city of Torrance will pay $1.8 million to a Redondo Beach surfer who was mistakenly shot at by its police officers during the manhunt for rogue Los Angeles police Officer Christopher Dorner, officials announced Thursday.

The agreement settles David and Lizzette Perdue’s lawsuit against the city and its Police Department, ending the acrimonious battle over what occurred that chaotic week in February 2013. Officers rammed Perdue’s truck thinking he was Dorner fleeing a shooting, then fired three shots at him.

Although the settlement admits no fault, Torrance Police Chief Mark Matsuda said Thursday the shooting was a mistake “from the standpoint that we ended up shooting at somebody who was not who we thought it was.

“They were trying to protect the community and were proactively going out there thinking that this is a guy who was armed, who had been using assault rifles,” Matsuda said. “There is not a great way to try to engage somebody like that.

...

http://www.dailybreeze.com/general-news/20140724/torrance-to-pay-18-million-to-settle-surfer-david-perdues-lawsuit-in-mistaken-christopher-dorner-shooting

Note that both a black Honda Ridgeline and a blue Toyota Tacoma were confused with Dorner's gray Nissan Titan. They should have played "Which one of these things doesn't belong?" with pictures of many kinds of trucks before releasing the cops onto the streets.

P.S. I seem to remember that there was a third party that police mistook for Dorner, but I am not sure and cannot find any evidence of that right now.

[beevul]

41. Yes. I remember those as well.

And you are 100 percent correct: They should have played "Which one of these things doesn't belong?"

Law enforcement MUST cease attempting to excuse the inexcusable. Its really just that simple. No reasonable person without pro-cop bias, could ever conclude that due diligence was exercised on the part of law enforcement who were personally involved in those examples you cite. No way, no how, not a chance in hell. Attacking a vehicle that is the wrong color is proof positive that they did not exercise due diligence prior to use of deadly force.

Question to cop: Did you read the entire BOLO with the description and color of the vehicle and the description of the suspect, or not.

If not: You mister officer are negligent. Its your job, why didn't you?

If so: You mister officer are not only negligent, but dangerously reckless in endangering the very innocents you swore and claim to protect. You belong behind bars. Why did you fire on a vehicle which you KNEW was the wrong color?

Insert unbelievable "I forgot due to the stresses of the day..." excuse here, even though communication that day was probably tenfold that of normal within law enforcement circles in that locality. And that doesn't even begin to cover mistaken identity.

Again, Law enforcement MUST cease attempting to excuse the inexcusable.

P.S. I seem to remember that there was a third party that police mistook for Dorner, but I am not sure and cannot find any evidence of that right now.

If memory serves there were some, though they were not vehicular in nature, and were instead mistaken identity of individuals on foot.


That whole incident was a headshaker from start to finish in too many ways to count.

[SoCalMusicLover]

6. If The Women Had Been Killed

I doubt the situation would be any different. Just a bigger settlement payout by the city.

If the Pigs were justified in shooting over 100 times, they certainly were justified in Killing as many occupants as were inside that vehicle.

Not to mention that so many bullets were flying, some of them hit houses on the street. Someone could have walked out of their home and been killed by a stray bullet.

There is ZERO accountability for them, but for us.....if anything remotely like this had happened, we would have the book thrown at us.

[argyl]

7. Pigs? Dude, this is the 21st century, not the 60's.

[FreakinDJ]

8. Pigs still fits

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

10. Anyone who uses the term, I automatically dismiss as not worth reading. n/m

[SoCalMusicLover]

13. Yet You're Here

Obviously you still read it, otherwise you would not have clicked on the thread and then submitted a reply to something you did not read.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

20. Thankfully, there are still some grown ups on DU in this thread.....

.....worth reading.

[Feeling the Bern]

16. Yet you opened a link that had "pigs" in the title, read it, read the comments and commented

on one.

Something doesn't add up here.

[Skittles]

28. putting that PIG on Ignore

[Iggo]

11. Pigs.

[Feeling the Bern]

12. Okay. Cocksuckers. . .Nazi Fascist tools of the 1%. Worthless pieces of shit

Better than "pigs?"

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. Hehe.

[EX500rider]

14. Pigs like these officers?

Cop Saves Baby life with CPR


Orlando Police Lt. Doug Goerke with man whose life he saved.


Cops Save Woman Trapped in Sinking Car, Smash Window with Rock

[Feeling the Bern]

17. Very, very selective. Ask Tamir, Michael Brown and others who were shot and killed

by pigs.

Sorry, six or seven pictures of cops doing their jobs doesn't excuse the blue code of silence and their murdering of people like dogs on the street.

But it was a nice attempt. Typical of a cop defender, but nice attempt.

[EX500rider]

18. Officers arrest 30,000 people every day...

....who exactly here is being selective?

[Feeling the Bern]

21. One shooting of unarmed people is one too many. You want me to give a cop props for doing their

jobs without killing people?

Good luck with that attitude here, pal.

We're done. I have nothing more to say to you.

[EX500rider]

23. "We're done. I have nothing more to say to you."

Heartbroken I am...lol

[LeftyMom]

36. Mostly for the crimes of being poor and doing unfashionable drugs.

While we're putting things in perspective and not being selective.

[cwydro]

19. Good luck with this.

There's a (fairly small, but vociferous) group of cop haters on DU.

They'll hear nothing good you have to say. It seems many have forgotten the outpouring of thanks we all had after 9/11.

I'd love to know who they would call when they need help.

[Feeling the Bern]

22. Oh. . .no. I hate cops that KILL unarmed people and get away with it

hiding behind "I was afraid for my life." I guess Tamir Rice deserved it. Michael Brown. . .Sandra Bland, Eric Garner. . .all the people the cops in Alabama framed for drug charges.

Get over yourself. If you don't see a problem, you have the problem, not those that want the CJ system overhauled and changed.

[cwydro]

24. I hate cops that do that too.

But I've seen your endless "more good cops" threads here. Silly.

There are bad apples in every profession. Changes need to come as far as law enforcement is concerned, but calling cops "pigs" like some ancient throw-back from the 60's does nothing for that.

Are you even aware that cops do actually perform good acts and behave professionally every day?

You can get over your own self. Smh.

[hifiguy]

26. When the schweinerei stop mowing down unarmed young black people

and "enforcing" the law in a highly selective manner they will begin to earn back a bit of the immense amount of respect they have lost from me and most of the rest of the country. Try not treating the citizenry - including even white, middle-aged me, once pulled over for driving my ratty old car in a fancy-schmancy suburb on my way to work - like enemies for a change.

Fuck the kkkops.

[LeftyMom]

37. Not the cops. The cops are fucking useless.

Not too long after 9/11 (since you're going to appeal to lazy nationalism) I woke up in the middle of the night to the sound of somebody trying to kick in my back door when I'm home alone with a very small baby. I called the cops, then I called my neighbor. The cops never did show up. My neighbor showed up with a carving fork (first thing she could find, I guess) and chased a guy off.

A few years before that somebody tried to kill me. The lazy excuse for an investigation consisted of asking the only suspect to confess and then shrugging when he declined to do so. They dropped a fucking attempted murder investigation before I was even out of the hospital.

Cops are worse than useless if you're poor. Fuck them.

[PowerToThePeople]

31. You forgot the most important one.

[beevul]

35. About that last pic (just a nit)...

It doesn't appear from the pic, that the car is sinking, particularly since the officer with the rock in his hands is standing with his feet on the bottom (that or he treads water better than anyone I've ever seen) and the relationship of the officers belt to the trunk lid shows that the car has its wheels either on the bottom or within less than 6 inches of the bottom. Hard to sink past having the wheels on the bottom, right?

I don't disagree with your overall message though, there are some good ones out there.

[TeddyR]

25. No Democrat

Should support anyone that refers to law enforcement as "pigs." Do you think Bernie, Hillary or President Obama are on board with this?

[Feeling the Bern]

32. We are not running for office. Big difference.

We are private citizens. We can say it with no political repercussions.

If police don't want to be called pigs, don't act like pigs. Problem solved.

[Ford F-150]

34. And if assholes don't want to be called assholes...

n/t

[Feeling the Bern]

38. Personally, I'm at the stage of my life and if someone thinks I'm an asshole, I wear it like

a badge of honor. I normally tell people who call me an asshole that "I've been called worse by better people."

[Skittles]

29. putting you on Ignore

you make me sick

[SoCalMusicLover]

30. The Term Does Not Apply To All Cops

But it certainly does to these.

It also applies to the cop who embezzled money from a fund and then shot himself, but not before blaming a couple of non-existent black guys.

When the shoe fits, wear it. And for these cops, it does. Posting some pictures of cops helping people is irrelevant for this situation. These Pigs showed complete reckless disregard for the safety of a couple of 100% Completely Innocent citizens, merely working and doing their job as normal to scrape out a meager living.

Does anyone honestly think that if it were someone "important" in that car, perhaps a "White" individual of power and clout, that they would have got away with it? Instead, it was a couple of Hispanic women, who probably could barely afford a lawyer to go after the city for compensation. $4.2 Million of which ZERO came out of the cops or the department's funds. Rather it was paid by innocent taxpayers.

It would be political suicide for a politician to use the term, but I am not one. Just a citizen posting on a message board. If nothing else this incident confirms that this country has a hard on for law enforcement officers. They can do no wrong, and I assure you, many of them regularly use derogatory names towards those they are supposed to serve and protect. You get away with stuff like that when you're part of their "club." Lies, Conspiracies, Cover Ups, False Reports, they all stick together when confronted about their crimes.

I guess if I was a cop, I would prefer not to be called names, while I go out and shoot up the completely wrong vehicle, by mistake. When I make a mistake in my job, I'm held accountable. No excuse is good enough. When they make a mistake, and someone dies, or is in danger of dying, it's a Whoops moment, and all is forgiven. Just a little paid leave at the doughnut shop, followed by the all important training about when it's good to fire your weapon 100 times, and when it's not.

Thugs with badges, that's what these guys are, and they're not alone. Plenty of them hide behind their uniform and use it as an excuse for their criminality. For those cops, I will continue to call them what they are....Pigs.

[Feeling the Bern]

33. 100% agree!

[catnhatnh]

39. Look at the photo of the truck

Picture as if someone you loved was both innocent and in the truck. Now tell me why the discussion is centered on calling a cop a bad name. Try keeping your eyes on the ball...