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In 1985, while Iran and Iraq were at war, Iran made a secret request to buy weapons from the United States. McFarlane sought Reagan's approval, in spite of the embargo against selling arms to Iran. McFarlane explained that the sale of arms would not only improve U.S. relations with Iran, but might in turn lead to improved relations with Lebanon, increasing U.S. influence in the troubled Middle East. Reagan was driven by a different obsession. He had become frustrated at his inability to secure the release of the seven American hostages being held by Iranian terrorists in Lebanon. As president, Reagan felt that "he had the duty to bring those Americans home," and he convinced himself that he was not negotiating with terrorists. While shipping arms to Iran violated the embargo, dealing with terrorists violated Reagan's campaign promise never to do so. ...
The arms-for-hostages proposal divided the administration. Longtime policy adversaries Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and Secretary of State George Shultz opposed the deal, but Reagan, McFarlane and CIA director William Casey supported it. With the backing of the president, the plan progressed. By the time the sales were discovered, more than 1,500 missiles had been shipped to Iran. Three hostages had been released, only to be replaced with three more, in what Secretary of State George Shultz called "a hostage bazaar."
read more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/reagan-iran/
Maybe If President Obama Had Sold ILLEGAL Arms To Iran, Republicans Would Call Him A Hero
April 5, 2015
By Allen Clifton
As most people have probably heard by now, the U.S., several of our allies and the Iranian government agreed upon a historic deal pertaining to Irans nuclear program. Its a deal many experts are hailing as groundbreaking and some have even suggested that, if successful, could prevent a third world war down the line.
Now, clearly, any sort of talk like that is extremely premature as its very possible this deal could eventually fail. But its like Ive said before, I would rather try to give diplomacy a chance to succeed rather than send thousands of Americans off to die in a war that could have been avoided. Well, about a year and a half ago I wrote an article with a headline very similar to this when all of these talks were still basically in their infancy stage. At the time, I mocked Republicans for being outraged that President Obama might dare try to use diplomacy to deal with Iran (some even suggesting hes betraying his country) when almost every member of the GOP hails Ronald Reagan as a conservative legend and American icon yet he illegally sold arms to Iran. Sure, Oliver North is the one who ultimately gets tagged with the blame, but you have to be an absolute moron to honestly believe that arms were being illegally sold to the Iranian government and the Reagan administration knew nothing about it.
But could you imagine the right-wing freak-out if, instead of simply agreeing to the framework of a deal on Irans nuclear program with several of our allies, the Obama administration was caught selling weapons illegally to the Iranian government?
read more: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/maybe-president-obama-illegal-arms-iran-republicans-call-hero/
malaise
(269,004 posts)Rec
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Ask them all! Rubio! Cruz! Trump! and the rest of the hypocrites!
Come on MSM, do your job and challenge them!
malaise
(269,004 posts)I beg you
napkinz
(17,199 posts)I know if Phil Donahue and Keith Olbermann were still on, you would hear this question posed.
Come on Chuck Turd! Come on Andrea Mitchell! Come on George Stephanopoulos! Do Your Job!!!!!!!
underpants
(182,806 posts)They are taking extra long on this one. Usually there are ridiculous memes going almost immediately.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Oh the cognitive dissonance
niyad
(113,315 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)can you say cognitive dissonance
niyad
(113,315 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts).. attempts to secure their release. Evidenced by their release on Inauguration Day, and some kiss and tell memoirs.
The October Surprise
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise_conspiracy_theory
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)of quite a few treasonous acts.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)niyad
(113,315 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Reagan, North and Co. did yeoman's work betraying our country.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Great OP, napkinz. After Iran-Contra, Reagan should have lived out the rest of his natural days making license plates at San Quentin. I wonder who pardoned him?
[font size="1"]In Detroit, at the 1980 GOP nominating convention.[/font size]
After the election, and the assassination attempt, the relationship really developed:
George Bush Takes Charge
The Uses of "Counter-Terrorism"
By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly 58
A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.
During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.
Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.
The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.
SNIP...
Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.
CONTINUED...
More details from the good professor:
EXCERPT...
NSDD 159. MANAGEMENT OF U.S. COVERT OPERATIONS, (TOP SECRET/VEIL‑SENSITIVE), JAN. 18,1985
The Reagan administration's commitment to significantly expand covert operations had been clear since before the 1980 election. How such operations were actually to be managed from day to day, however, was considerably less certain. The management problem became particularly knotty owing to legal requirements to notify congressional intelligence oversight committees of covert operations, on the one hand, and the tacitly accepted presidential mandate to deceive those same committees concerning sensitive operations such as the Contra war in Nicaragua, on the other.
The solution attempted in NSDD 159 was to establish a small coordinating committee headed by Vice President George Bush through which all information concerning US covert operations was to be funneled. The order also established a category of top secret information known as Veil, to be used exclusively for managing records pertaining to covert operations.
[font color="red"]The system was designed to keep circulation of written records to an absolute minimum while at the same time ensuring that the vice president retained the ability to coordinate US covert operations with the administration's overt diplomacy and propaganda.
Only eight copies of NSDD 159 were created. The existence of the vice president's committee was itself highly classified.[/font color] The directive became public as a result of the criminal prosecutions of Oliver North, John Poindexter, and others involved in the Iran‑Contra affair, hence the designation "Exhibit A" running up the left side of the document.
CONTINUED...
CovertAction Quarterly no 58 Fall 1996 pp31-40.
This all used to be online, easily found via the GOOGLE. It's gone now, for some strange reason.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)the "'foreign policy president'"
And his idiot son becomes president, takes us to war based on lies, a war that kills thousands of our own troops and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and destabilizes the entire region.
Now the other idiot son is applying for the job.
spanone
(135,836 posts)selling to iran and giving to the contra....BOTH ILLEGAL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IranContra_affair
And he wasn't impeached!
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)that makes me so scornful of posts promoting those bogus corruption indexes that 'prove' how free of corruption the US power system is.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts). . . . but when you own an already-complicit media, you can get away with anything if you're a Republican and don't screw your fellow wealthmongers over.
With the Reagan White House, Wall $treet took the front door and terrorists took the back.
lindysalsagal
(20,686 posts)about the history of their own country, that they can be lead by anyone anywhere who reaches them emotionally:
cue Donald Trump.
Add that to the fact that rw fundie GOP haters have never read or understood their beloved Jesus's bible, and you wonder how our species ever became dominant on this planet.
Honestly, is there another civilization I can join who actually deals with reality???? I'm so sick and tired of delusional humans.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)That is how he defeated Jimmy Carter.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)burrowowl
(17,641 posts)and also caused the death of 200,000 to 250,000 Guatemalean Natives during this time!
I think the more guilty person is papa Bush, Raygun was propably incompetent at the time.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Reagan was shot in March 1981 and for all intents and purposes was a walking vegetable afterward.
Alexander Cockburn
Lies Of Our Times (p. 12-13)
November 1991
What was surprising to me was Reagans condition. He was exhausted to the point of incoherence throughout much ofthe interview and could not remember the substance of any subject that had been discussed apart from Mitterrands expression of anticommunism. I had not seen Reagan at such close rangesince the assassination attempt nearly four months earlier, and was shocked at his condition.... Reagan simply was unable to recall the contents of the talks in which he had just participated.... The interview concluded at a signal from Deaver,who did not seem to find the presidents condition unusual.
Thus ran Lou Cannons recollections of an interview with the Commander-in-Chief in 1981, as set forth in his book President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime (New York: Simon & Schuster,1991), published earlier this year. But how did Cannon describe Reagans condition to the readers of the Washington Post when he wrote up his interview? In the July 23, 1981, Washington Post,Cannons story appeared under the headline Reagan Describes Summit Meeting as Worth Its Weight in Gold. Cannons report gives the impression of a lucid chief executive returning home after a fruitful colloquy with other western leaders at the economic summit held in Ottawa in mid-July. Cannon did mention in the tenth paragraph that Reagan appeared tired to the point of near-exhaustion, but this observation was quickly qualified by the opinion of aides that the president had been doing a lot of prep for the conference and was also worried about the Middle East.
Cannon shared his brief session with Reagan aboard Air Force One with Hedrick Smith of the New York Times, who similarly gave his readers the impression of a president in touch with things rather than the incoherent old man they had actually encountered. As did Cannon, Smith wove the few quotable remarks from Reagan into a tapestry of attributed presidential dicta passed on and no doubt confected by Meese, Deaver,and Speakes. It is clear from Cannons account of the conference itself that Reagan was fogged up throughout the actual conference, occasionally interjecting trivial observations or homely jokes into the proceedings and then relapsing into bemused silence. Cannons memoir is one more indication of the cover-up that took place in the wake of Hinckleys assassination bid on March 30, 1981. At the time of the shooting, the press was full of phrases like bouncing back, iron constitution, and other terms indicating that Reagan had emerged from the ordeal in good shape. In fact Reagan very nearly died on the operating table and was a dotard afterwards. He never fully recovered.
Conclusion: Unless a president is actually dead, the WhiteHouse press corps can be relied upon to present him as both sentient and sapient, no matter how decrepit his physical and mental condition.
SOURCE in PDF form:
http://liesofourtimes.org/public_html/1991/Nov1991%20V2%20N10/Nov1991%20V2%20N10.pdf
Mentally isn't physically. So he remained VP and used the opportunity to get appointed a Super Duper Presidential Helper.
George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of Counter-Terrorism
By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly 58
A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.
During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.
Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.
The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.
SNIP...
Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.
SNIP...
NSDD 159. MANAGEMENT OF U.S. COVERT OPERATIONS, (TOP SECRET/VEIL‑SENSITIVE), JAN. 18,1985
The Reagan administration's commitment to significantly expand covert operations had been clear since before the 1980 election. How such operations were actually to be managed from day to day, however, was considerably less certain. The management problem became particularly knotty owing to legal requirements to notify congressional intelligence oversight committees of covert operations, on the one hand, and the tacitly accepted presidential mandate to deceive those same committees concerning sensitive operations such as the Contra war in Nicaragua, on the other.
[font color="green"]The solution attempted in NSDD 159 was to establish a small coordinating committee headed by Vice President George Bush through which all information concerning US covert operations was to be funneled. The order also established a category of top secret information known as Veil, to be used exclusively for managing records pertaining to covert operations.
The system was designed to keep circulation of written records to an absolute minimum while at the same time ensuring that the vice president retained the ability to coordinate US covert operations with the administration's overt diplomacy and propaganda.
Only eight copies of NSDD 159 were created. The existence of the vice president's committee was itself highly classified.[/font color] The directive became public as a result of the criminal prosecutions of Oliver North, John Poindexter, and others involved in the Iran‑Contra affair, hence the designation "Exhibit A" running up the left side of the document.
CONTINUED...
CovertAction Quarterly no 58 Fall 1996 pp31-40.
Sorry if this is redundant. It's not being talked about much by those who should know better, as well as the morons on tee vee.
burrowowl
(17,641 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)"If the people really knew what we have done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us."