NY Daily News front page for Thursday: 'God isn't fixing this'

[Newsjock]

[Dawson Leery]

1. FUCK PRAYER!!!

Again, FUCK PRAYER. It is a bunch of bullshit designed to make people feel good when they are too corrupt and/or lazy to do something proactive.

Again: FUCK PRAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: When I see people on twitter with their FUCKING "pray for (insert cause here)" hashtags, I want to reach through the screen and smack their face. Prayer is a bunch of bullshit. We have to solve these problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[retrowire]

6. And to our religious DUers, I want to say....

I believe God gave us free will so that we would not sit on our asses and pray for him to fix everything bad. He gave us the free will and tools to do something about the world. What's our fucking excuse?

[restorefreedom]

14. we have the freedom and ability to fix this

but too many in power have no will

or balls


or both

[retrowire]

16. PRESENTING MY NEW INVENTION

WILLBALLS!

Do you lack motivation? Miss the get up and go attitude you once had? Can't get out of bed?

WILLBALLS ARE FOR YOU.

Simply place them in a ziploc bag, add water, let sit over night, then staple the bag to your groinal area.

You'll now be motivated enough to get the fuck up and do anything! After all, how will you sit down with a water filled bag connected to your groin?!

NOW GET OUT THERE CHAMP, YOU'VE GOT THE WILLBALLS!

[restorefreedom]

19. lol... better have a mass production facility....

many will be needed

they.ll be flying off the shelves!!

[LadyHawkAZ]

70. Throw up a kickstarter, you'll be rich in a day.

[onecent]

92. LOVE THAT KITTY AND THAT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LiberalArkie]

52. Let's say God is present as a being with an office and a phone number.

Seeing as how he gave all beings free will and humans dominion over the Earth. Seeing as how Americans voted in the asshats in Washington. I do believe his response to repeated phone calls to his office would be, "you folks voted for all this, you are responsible for allowing the gun shootings and the destruction of your planet. Put on your adult pants and Handle it"

[retrowire]

53. yep.

God isn't a babysitter.

[RussBLib]

54. true

especially since there is no God in the first place.

So many people can't seem to handle the concept that we are on our own here.

[hifiguy]

81. So true. The cosmos is utterly indifferent to the existence

of hairless apes on a small planet in a backwater corner of a galaxy of 100 billion stars in a universe containing 100 billion galaxies. To think otherwise is egotism of a truly laughable degree.

I heartily recommend Daniel Dennett's "Breaking The Spell" to all DUers with open minds. A truly brilliant, thought-provoking, witty and most enlightening read.

[PNW_Dem]

85. Atheism = Truth

So true. I am so tired of people trying to justify religion by saying that it is more good than bad. What a poor excuse for something that doesn’t exist in the first place.

Atheism = Truth

[lindysalsagal]

88. +1000

Unicorns, Fairies, The Loch Ness Monster, The Tooth Fairy, The Easter Bunny, Santa, Leprechans, Angels, Devils, Ghosts, God.

When are we going to ever grow up and start to take responsibility?

For the last time: No! It wasn't god's will. God didn't want these 14 innocent people dead. Sorry, but if you believe this crap, you're a fool, or a child, or a moron.

[PatrynXX]

35. Thats kinda pushing it..

I'd hit the no no button but free speech I won't do it. But if you say shit like that I better hope to God your actually out there fixing it.

[The CCC]

63. Thats kinda pushing it..

Pray like everything depended on God, work like everything depended on you.

[smirkymonkey]

49. I'll second that.

Heartily.

[Facility Inspector]

59. nothing fails like prayer (talking to yourself)

[wryter2000]

72. That's kind of the point of the headline

If humans don't do something, nothing will get done. And most religious people would absolutely agree.

[merrily]

75. Jury results

FUCK PRAYER!!!
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[yeoman6987]

77. Christian bashing is so boring.

The only group that gets free reign of bashing without being called out. Very sad.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

78. Yep, once again atheists make bigoted statements and get away with it.

It is typical of DU that one can say anything nasty about religion, and this is deemed just peachy-keen dandy.

[yeoman6987]

79. Sadly that is true. A supposedly inclusion group. Accept everyone. Ha!

[passiveporcupine]

93. If you told a group who believed in fairies that they are wrong to believe in fairies

And were intolerant of them trying to push their belief in fairies into your every day existence, like telling you their fairies will fix all their problems if they just believe in them...

Is that really bigoted? Are you saying to not be a bigot you have to be tolerant of every person whoever believed in every imaginary being, like Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, Peter Pan, etc...are you really saying that is being bigoted? Because you don't just let them push their crap at you and "tolerate" it?

I'm sorry, but I believe in pushing the truth, not fairy tales, and kids should all grow up out of fairy tales.

Until someone can prove to me that their religion is based on "truth", and not some imaginary man in the sky, and a book that was written by men, then I think I have the right not to tolerate them using their religion as a shield or a tool when talking to other adults who don't believe as they do.

Do you tolerate Scientologists? Do you tolerate Mormans? Do you tolerate radical Islam? Do you tolerate radical Christians, skinheads, etc.?

Because you are basically saying that any opinion, no matter how crazy, deserves respect and being tolerated.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

98. It is one thing to say, "I don't believe in God and I think that those who do are at best deluded"

I can understand why people may be atheists. I could make the arguments against religion as well as any of you.

My objection is that at least some atheists here on DU make statements about religion that can only be termed bigoted, and this is quite acceptable. What makes it worse is that if a believer says "Your statement is bigoted", this is NOT acceptable.

A good example is what you just wrote: You called believers "crazy" and are saying -- or at least strongly implying -- that there is no actual difference between a run-of-the-mill Catholic and a member of ISIS. (On the DU Religion forum, people have said exactly that.) If I were to say, "This is bigotry" and were to be reported, I would undoubtedly be stomped on, but if I were to report your statement, it would equally undoubtedly be seen as OK. I have personally had exactly that happen.

I have a question: As I said, I have no problem understanding why some people are atheists. What I don't understand is why some atheists seem almost compelled to be nasty about it.

[passiveporcupine]

99. Whoah! I think you need to reread my post

A good example is what you just wrote: You called believers "crazy" and are saying -- or at least strongly implying -- that there is no actual difference between a run-of-the-mill Catholic and a member of ISIS.

I compared ISIS to radical Christians, not run-of-the-mill Christians. I'm talking about the people who say they are Christians and want to kill gays and abortion doctors, and keep their women as chattel. And there are plenty of them, all over the world.

Lets take another example of opinion versus truth.

Some people are anti-vaxers. They risk all children who cannot be vaccinated, because of their ill formed opinions of the dangers of vaccines and their belief that they don't need to follow societies rules to keep our kids safe. They actually risk lives when they do this, yet they think they are right and everyone else is wrong, so they keep pushing this wrong idea and convincing more paranoid parents to buy into it. Am I supposed to be tolerant of that and say "Oh it's OK, if you believe that go ahead and don't vaccinate your kids and put them in schools with all the other kids (some of whom really cannot be vaccinated)?

It's not always OK to be tolerant of other's opinions. That's not being bigoted. It might just mean that you are right and they are wrong and their wrong is dangerous. That's all I'm trying to say. Religion has helped a lot of people feel less helpless or something. I think it's silly but if it works for them, go for it. As long as they keep it to themselves and don't try to make this country/continent/planet a theocracy. I think over time we will evolve past religion. If this planet survives long enough.

And I did not call all Christians crazy. Just radicals.

In this case, the GOP is using faith as a cop out to not do anything to try to fix the problems with guns in this country. That is wrong and dangerous.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

105. You're right, you did not say what I accused of saying, and I apologize

However, there are atheists who do exactly as I have said. Look at the Religion forum sometime.

[passiveporcupine]

106. I'm afraid you couldn't drag me kicking and screaming there

I've had my fill of the never ending religion debate. If I come across it accidentally, I can still get sucked in, but I won't go looking for it.

Thanks for the apology!

[classykaren]

108. Yes and I am leaving because this group has become to hateful and rude.

[Bradical79]

87. That's not true

They get called out for it all the time, it's just not bigoted like some falsely claim. I don't see why being agressively unhappy with one superstitious belief should be less acceptable than another.

[Chef Eric]

109. "Christian bashing"?

The post to which you replied does not mention Christians.

[Photographer]

2. Damn! To the point. K&R

[arcane1]

3. A-fucking-men to that!

[Moliere]

4. Bravo. They've been tearing the NRA a new one recently

[dhill926]

5. wow....

hard to believe this is real....good for them...

[valerief]

7. Wow, SPOT ON cover!!!

[99th_Monkey]

8. K&R - nt

[msongs]

9. god caused it. after all god is all powerful. it's god's will etc nt

[IDemo]

10. Worse yet: It's all part of God's plan

SkyGuy® is one blood-thirsty dude.

[hifiguy]

82. Always has been according to the book of fairy tales.

The OT is packed to bursting with gawd's commands to annihilate, enslave, rape, murder and obliterate the unbelieving heathens. How anybody can take that shit seriously has baffled me since I was a pre-teenager.

[Nay]

11. It's time to squash all this fake prayer bullshit and actually DO SOMETHING.

It makes me sick, all the pubs mewling about prayer. I want to shove their prayer shawls right up their asses. Those FUCKING HYPOCRITES.

[niyad]

12. well, at last we didn't have to see them mouthing their crap last on saturday.

[Shandris]

13. I do despise the simpletons who want to call others cowards for not voluntarily...

...disarming themselves.

May they find solace with their terrorist brethren.

Edit: Hrm...unexpected! After some lengthy consideration on the topic, I think I'm going to do something rare and...alter my stance. Since that's a rare enough thing to see, I leave my original comment unaltered, and add this edit. But now, I think I'm more in line with liking this paper than not, even though I never thought an hour ago I'd feel that way. I do so love good changes.

[restorefreedom]

15. excellent cover

flaming hypocrisy has to be shamed at every opportunity

[Photographer]

17. Wish I could rec this more than once. n/t

[longship]

18. Holy Shit! The NY Daily News is channeling EarlG!

Awesome front page!

R&

[Feeling the Bern]

20. “I'll pray for you" = "I am not going to do a fucking thing to help or change anything."

I rip into people who tell me I am in their prayers.

[Whiskeytide]

27. Check this out.

Awesome catch by DUer GlassUnion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7406226

[LanternWaste]

57. As with "good vibes", "good thoughts", "hope" and all the other bumper-stickers

As with "good vibes", "good thoughts", "hope" "have a nice day", and all the other bumper-stickers doing little more than expressing good will. How repugnant, indeed.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

86. I'm polite about it.

If someone tells me that I or my family are in their thoughts and prayers, I thank them and go on.

I don't want to be an asshole atheist and rip somebody up for doing that in a personal situation. They think they are helping and I appreciate that they give a shit enough to think about me.


Yes I do think of religion as 99% b.s., with the exception of atheistic Buddhism, which makes it a philosophy.
The Asian religions have much less of a history of violence than the Abrahamic ones.

Now, I do think the realization that "thoughts and prayers" are meaningless in the context of politicians not doing anything about gun laws with multiple mass shootings per day, IS a good idea. And I am glad that the NY Daily News is spotlighting it.

Igor Volsky at ThinkProgress started the tweet idea of #thoughtsandprayers being meaningless.

His email:
[email protected]

@igorvolsky

[spanone]

21. how about 'REPUBLICANS HAVE NO INTEREST IN FIXING THIS'

[Jim Lane]

22. I remember when the Daily News was totally right wing

Here they are taking on the gun lobby with a bit of a sideswipe at religion (at least, some religious people will surely be discomited by this).

[nolabels]

23. When someone says religious prayer can heal a sick mind shooting an assault rifle at innocent people

That kind of idea is beyond stupid and more to point of being very dangerous for people not invoked.

I think i will write a gun loving congress person and tell them how much i appreciate the prayers for such affairs.

[Pacifist Patriot]

62. When I first saw the cover, I assumed Photoshop was involved...

because I have always associated it with the right and couldn't believe they would publish a cover like that. Glad someone finally did!

I have already seen on-line commentary from the religious going ballistic (pun totally intended) by completely missing the point.

[RoccoR5955]

24. The NRA has blood on its hands.

So do the RepubliCONs who are being bribed by them.
We need to fix this TWENTY YEARS AGO already!

[RoBear]

66. And not only the NRA...

all the politicians who kiss their flabby asses and won't stand up to them. And remember, I live in Kansas, where it's legal to carry a gun concealed or openly, ANYWHERE! Except, of course, the halls of congress. Notice the hypocrisy, a Tea Bagger staple...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. If prayer worked, we'd all have personalized utopias ...

If prayer worked, we'd all have personalized utopias, all individualized and all different simultaneously. Since that is logically impossible, prayer doesn't work.

If prayer worked for a select few, same thing would apply. Even if they were saintly, their utopias would conflict and be inconsistent with each other.

Perhaps there is one single person on earth for whom prayer works. How likely is that?

[Arugula Latte]

67. Also, think of all the people who think that there's a powerful deity controlling the universe

who listened to a prayer to, say, let Bob get the promotion or helped Mary find her lost ring, but couldn't be bothered to save babies dying of cancer or people in a famine who also had prayers sent up to the sky being on their behalf.

Such idiocy is astounding.

[napkinz]

26. K&R

[hrmjustin]

28. I think this is a good headline and I pray everyday.

Our politicians need to get their act together and say the hell with the nra.

[mountain grammy]

29. Hell yeah, Daily News. I want to see this on every headline.

A Denver news station ran this ad:




Think our media is finally growing some balls and thinking outside the corporate box?

[Logical]

30. God is pretty incompetent! Nt

[Thespian2]

31. Hard to shame politicians

who are taking millions of bucks from the GREEDY BASTARDS who control the arms industry...

[lindysalsagal]

39. That's the bottom line: We believe in profits, not god.

asmericans really don't worship god; Only money.

[Thespian2]

74. YEP

[Marrah_G]

32. Substitute wish for Prayer

Because that is what people really mean.

[PatrynXX]

33. there's Prayer then there is prayer and action

Not everyone is a Christian Scientist although it seems many think they are. Prayer works but not without action. Insincere Prayer I call it. Similar to oh I sinned. Oops sinned again and again and.. etc the same thing 900 times etc..

[AzDar]

34. K & R

[Hoppy]

36. If prayer worked, we'd all be dead.

Members of every religion or country are praying for God to make toast of every other religion or country.

[SammyWinstonJack]

47. Ha! So true.

[SunSeeker]

37. K & R

[nolabear]

38. From their mouths to God's ear.

Sometimes I wish there was one so he could smite the shit out of some of those assholes.

I have ceased being kind for the present.

[lindysalsagal]

40. Everyone who holds stock in weapons selling/manufacture owns this

and I don't know about congress.

[malaise]

41. Fuck all religion

and fuck all the gun goons.

[hifiguy]

84. Can't beat that for truth OR brevity.

[DLevine]

42. K&R

All the prayers in the world aren't going to change anything. We need gun regulation.

[Scuba]

43. Well, considering how praying for peace has worked out for the last few millenia ...

... perhaps something more concrete should be attempted.

[KG]

44. prayer, the very LEAST you can do...

[DrBulldog]

45. America's a Christian nation?

LOL!!!

[marmar]

46. Has Ted Cruz issued a fatwa against the Daily News?

[libdem4life]

48. How did Christy and Jeb and Carly not make the cut...especially Carly? Did they not bother

to comment? These Yahoos, maybe with the exception of Cruz, have absolutely no chance of anything.

[Gothmog]

50. Great cover-G-d is not fixing this

[Smarmie Doofus]

51. "POLS TO VICTIMS: DROP DEAD"

[Feeling the Bern]

103. Too late. They already are.

[Smarmie Doofus]

104. It's a play on the Daily News' most famous headline of all time:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ford+to+city+drop+dead+daily+news&biw=1440&bih=723&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB8bbc-MPJAhVKPT4KHaH_De0Q_AUIBigB#imgrc=YqGXa_bDVAZWDM%3A

[Missn-Hitch]

58. Hi SC

Apparently he is. You should see my fbook news feed. I am confused by your post. Please elaborate. Welcome to DU.

[Rex]

61. The best is when people pray for rain or a new car.

I wonder how many times they will do so, before they realize their prayers are meaningless gestures.

[Arugula Latte]

68. "He" doesn't exist, but if "he" did, he'd be a murderous sociopath not worthy of worship.

[lindysalsagal]

89. +1000. Thank you.

[JohnnyAmerica]

56. 355 times....

355 times this year we were asked to pray. How'd that work out?

[Rex]

60. Of course they call for prayer, it cost nothing and ends the conversation.

Then they wait for the next death toll, so they can say it again and move on. The word is meaningless in 2015.

[NastyRiffraff]

64. Exactly

We are where we are now because people depend on god and prayers, which never, ever fixed anything.

If I hear "thoughts and prayers" once more I'm gonna throw something at the screen. Nobody needs your thoughts and prayers; we need people with the courage to tell the NRA "fuck you."

[avaistheone1]

65. Perhaps the most responsible front page on this tragedy yet.

k&r

[Dont call me Shirley]

69. It's up to The humans to fix their human created problems. Get out of denial and fantasy belief,

and work to find a solution! Do not continue to allow the bullies to trample on peace, kindness and unity!

[d_legendary1]

71. I can't believe the New York Daily News got this right for once

That explains the rain we're getting down here in Florida.

[IrishEyes]

91. Actually they have had a lot of gun control headlines lately.

The NY Daily News is more to the left and the NY Post is more to the right.

[d_legendary1]

96. I guess I got the confused

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[Rex]

76. More like the human race.

What more evidence is needed? Whatever the convincing event is, it ain't coming. Just like the fool that dreams about Obama coming for his guuuuunnns...delusional and dangerous. IMO.

[Reter]

80. The NY Post cover is different; filled with hate

[hifiguy]

83. As another DUer recently posted, when someone says "I'll pray for you" what it really means

is that they will not lift a finger to help you if it inconveniences them in the slightest.

It's nothing but an excuse for doing nothing that justifiesin the speaker'smind a complete unwillingness to do something meaningful in the real world. It is beneath contempt.

[onecent]

90. Well ain't that a surprise...BOOO HOOOO HOOOOO

JESUS put us here on earth not to fix the mess for us.

he gave us the mess, yes, but it is up to us to fix it
morons

[Orrex]

95. The asshole who would do such a thing is unworthy of worship

[cantbeserious]

94. On Point - On Message

eom

[Orrex]

97. And I've been hearing about the outrage from pro-prayer groups over this

They paint themselves as the main victims, meaning "to hell" with the thousands upon thousands of victims of gun violence.

[4lbs]

100. I've always thought of people praying/asking things from "God" as like 5-year olds trying to make

a deal with their parents.



Adult: "God, if you do <insert wish here>, I promise I will <do something that I will totally ignore in a few days>"


Kid; "Mommy/Daddy, if you buy me a bicycle, I will eat all my veggies!"

[Gothmog]

101. Great cover

[fredamae]

102. The GOP Frightened and Cowering

as they huddle together-in the corner fearing Corporate and crying for their mommies

They are small, powerless and very frightened little chicken shits.
Just my opinion...of course.

[davidpdx]

107. K & R

Glad this got bumped back up to the front page as I wanted to copy the link to put it on Facebook.

[Beartracks]

110. Hey, GOP buttheads: WE ARE the help we've been PRAYING for!

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

In your case, Republicans, it would just save us all time if you simply got out of the way.

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