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AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 04:57 PM Nov 2015

Why are Americans fearful of radical islamic terrorists, if we have terrorism all the time in America?

All these mass shootings have the same effect as terrorism, making the people to fear being the next to be attacked or killed (or our loved ones as well.) Why do we need radical islamic terrorists to put fear in us when we have all these mass shootings to do the job? And some are clearly deliberately terrorism, like the one in South Carolina.

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Why are Americans fearful of radical islamic terrorists, if we have terrorism all the time in America? (Original Post) AZ Progressive Nov 2015 OP
Imagine the news coverage of this recent event if the perp was a Middle Eastern terrorist Chemisse Nov 2015 #1
An odd thought just occurred to me. Doesn't this look like we have a choice in what we prefer Cal33 Nov 2015 #26
Yeah I think we really do, although Chemisse Nov 2015 #29
The puppeteers could also be acting out of what they choose to be afraid of. Cal33 Nov 2015 #33
It's the US vs. THEM thing. We understand Us. We distrust Them. libdem4life Nov 2015 #2
Because most people know that there is no realistic way to stop a lone gunman LittleBlue Nov 2015 #3
He didn't live there all the time. He alternated between there and the nearby valerief Nov 2015 #4
Okay LittleBlue Nov 2015 #11
We can stop encouraging him, however. The RW encourages this behavior. valerief Nov 2015 #13
Charlie Manson was encouraged by the Beatles. Kaleva Nov 2015 #36
Prevented like the 13 November attacks in Paris? guillaumeb Nov 2015 #8
Not sure what your point is LittleBlue Nov 2015 #12
My point is that violence cannot be prevented. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #15
Violence can be prevented LittleBlue Nov 2015 #17
It is time to stand down from worrying about Middle Eastern terrorists 6chars Nov 2015 #18
I disagree LittleBlue Nov 2015 #21
Because doing something about domestic terrorism might involve regulating guns? The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2015 #5
You would dare to mention GUNS? guillaumeb Nov 2015 #6
That too. hifiguy Nov 2015 #10
Or marginalizing those that choose delusional faith-based thinking over reason. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #14
The Grand Plan of the 1%ers. Wellstone ruled Nov 2015 #7
It is what they have been propagandized and taught hifiguy Nov 2015 #9
They are manipulated by TV and the billion dollar news industry. Rex Nov 2015 #16
because ours is made possible by the second amendment? nt msongs Nov 2015 #19
Yep!!!!! mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2015 #20
Domestic terrorists, often white Christian males... krispos42 Nov 2015 #22
How many radical islamic terrorist attacks have we had since 9/11? vs how many mass shootings? AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #25
You can't expect the problem to self-identify, can you? krispos42 Nov 2015 #31
Because fucks spews have told the stupid, that the brown people are the scary ones. onecaliberal Nov 2015 #23
We should be more afraid of radical Christianic terrorists. n/t backscatter712 Nov 2015 #24
We should be very afraid of radical Christianic terrorists. But to most white Americans FuzzyRabbit Nov 2015 #30
I can be fearful of both. 840high Nov 2015 #27
Because hundred$ of billion$ in of taxpayer money can be diverted to weapons manufacturers GoneFishin Nov 2015 #28
Don't be fearful, but instead prepare for it. ileus Nov 2015 #32
You live in our country you live by our laws. bklyncowgirl Nov 2015 #34
Probably because many, many more Americans have been killed by Islamic terrorism this century Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #35
We should acknowledge and attempt to deal with both problems oberliner Nov 2015 #37
We have about 11,000 gun homicides a year. hay rick Nov 2015 #38

Chemisse

(30,811 posts)
1. Imagine the news coverage of this recent event if the perp was a Middle Eastern terrorist
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:02 PM
Nov 2015

It would have been constant, persistent and hyperbolic. Fear would radiate across the nation.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
26. An odd thought just occurred to me. Doesn't this look like we have a choice in what we prefer
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 08:27 PM
Nov 2015

to be afraid of?

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
3. Because most people know that there is no realistic way to stop a lone gunman
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:03 PM
Nov 2015

who lives in the woods with no electricity.

But a coordinated attack that requires communications, funding and group planning can be prevented.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
11. Okay
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:16 PM
Nov 2015

Doesn't change the fact that if he doesn't coordinate with anybody then it probably isn't possible to stop him.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
13. We can stop encouraging him, however. The RW encourages this behavior.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:19 PM
Nov 2015

As for lone, well, maybe he did it alone, but he probably didn't think of it alone.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
12. Not sure what your point is
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:16 PM
Nov 2015

Spell it out. Are you saying terrorist attacks can't be prevented? If you are, you're dead wrong and I have links to prove it.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
15. My point is that violence cannot be prevented.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:21 PM
Nov 2015

Some attacks can be prevented, some groups can be watched, but one cannot watch all people at all times.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
21. I disagree
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:28 PM
Nov 2015

Paris proves we are still under threat from Islamic extremists. An American right wing gunman shouldn't logically make anyone less concerned about Islamist fanatics.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. You would dare to mention GUNS?
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:13 PM
Nov 2015

You forget that if only every single US citizen was carrying around a gun all of the time, there would be no shootings.

Or there would be far more.

But we would then be safe.

Or not.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
7. The Grand Plan of the 1%ers.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:14 PM
Nov 2015

Just a temporary side show do to the fact,the Rethugs f----ed up the Latinos,media will run with this fear campaign until there is a bump in their Candidates Latino numbers. And if that fails,oh boy,they will unleash their terror terror 9/11 media blitz.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
9. It is what they have been propagandized and taught
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:14 PM
Nov 2015

to fear. Nonstop for the last 14 years.

And most of the sheeple are awfully low on critical thinking skills and real-world risk assessment.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. They are manipulated by TV and the billion dollar news industry.
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:21 PM
Nov 2015

Ever wonder why they call it a TV program?

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
22. Domestic terrorists, often white Christian males...
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 05:35 PM
Nov 2015

...concentrate their rage on things like minority ethnic groups, minority religions, and the institution of the Federal Government. Often their targets are specific buildings like mosques, abortion clinics, and Federal buildings, parts of the vast American landscape that they disagree with.


Foreign terrorists such as radical Islamic terrorists concentrate their rage on America as a whole. Their targets are America the nation and they strike at national symbols of the United States, such as army bases, naval ships, and the former World Trade Center.



Domestic terrorists are also usually poorly organized and scattered; the "lone wolf" terrorist such as occurred at a certain historic black church in South Carolina or a former Federal building in Oklahoma City. Foreign terrorists form networks in hinterlands or in countries with weak governments and act in cells.

Foreign terrorists are can often spend lots of time working on plans; a domestic terrorist seems to be more impulsive. Being more impulsive, a domestic terrorist will simply grab a gun and go on a shooting rampage. A foreign terrorist cell will more deliberately move towards coordinated strikes that usually involve high explosives or other mass-casualty devices (hijacked airliners, for example).



The party of white Christian males has a vast media machine to protect itself from charges of domestic terrorism, which is why the South Carolina strike was not called terrorism even though it was a racially-based slaughter by a racist clearly intended to spark a race war in the United States. This is also how the DoJ report on right-wing terrorism in the U.S. got pulled, even though, as the last six years have shown, it was spot-on.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
31. You can't expect the problem to self-identify, can you?
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 08:54 AM
Nov 2015

Can you imagine WND, the NYPD, or Limbaugh saying that?


Deflect, project, etc.

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
30. We should be very afraid of radical Christianic terrorists. But to most white Americans
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 08:56 PM
Nov 2015

white terrorists are not very scary. Brown terrorists are extremely scary.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
28. Because hundred$ of billion$ in of taxpayer money can be diverted to weapons manufacturers
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 08:39 PM
Nov 2015

chasing amorphous mysterious boogey men with unfamiliar cultures which can be demonized into a scary "other".

It's harder to do against a familiar U.S. culture on U.S. soil. And if that familiar threat were taken seriously it would just require stepped up domestic law enforcement, not $2 million cruise missiles, $4 million drones, or $1,000,000,000,000 fighter jet programs.

In short, we are made to be afraid of them because it is very, very, very profitable to keep people afraid.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
32. Don't be fearful, but instead prepare for it.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:11 AM
Nov 2015

fear is useless and paralyzes a person...that's never been the American way before. Don't let them win...the domestic or foreign terrorist.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
35. Probably because many, many more Americans have been killed by Islamic terrorism this century
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:32 PM
Nov 2015

than by any other kind of terrorism.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
37. We should acknowledge and attempt to deal with both problems
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:01 PM
Nov 2015

Rather than trying to play "If this had been this..." type games like the right does.

Mass shootings and radical Islamic terrorists are both situations that should be addressed.

hay rick

(7,608 posts)
38. We have about 11,000 gun homicides a year.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:11 PM
Nov 2015

Our death toll is the equivalent of a Paris attack every 4+ days. If you count suicides, police shootings, and accidents, the death toll is 32,000 a year. That's Paris 4.7 times a week. And almost all the victims are American.

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