ministers were told to destroy key evidence on eve of conflict which showed Iraq War was ILLEGAL

[malaise]

Ministers who had a copy of Attorney General's report claiming the war was illegal were told to 'Burn it. Destroy it'
Attorney General Goldsmith told Mr Blair on the eve of the war that it could be challenged under international law
It has long been suspected Labour put pressure on Goldsmith to change his mind, and 10 days later he did a U-turn
Disclosure is one of the most shocking indications yet that Mr Blair and his inner circle were intent on going to war


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3298498/Burn-destroy-Pressure-builds-Blair-Chilcot-report-s-revealed-ministers-told-destroy-key-evidence-eve-conflict-showed-Iraq-War-ILLEGAL.html#ixzz3qFWGibsL
Ministers who had a copy of Attorney General's report claiming the war was illegal were told to 'Burn it. Destroy it'
Attorney General Goldsmith told Mr Blair on the eve of the war that it could be challenged under international law
It has long been suspected Labour put pressure on Goldsmith to change his mind, and 10 days later he did a U-turn
Disclosure is one of the most shocking indications yet that Mr Blair and his inner circle were intent on going to war


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3298498/Burn-destroy-Pressure-builds-Blair-Chilcot-report-s-revealed-ministers-told-destroy-key-evidence-eve-conflict-showed-Iraq-War-ILLEGAL.html#ixzz3qFWGibsL
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The shit will soon hit the fan.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/01/tony-blair-denies-ministers-told-burn-iraq-war-legal-advice

For starters BLIAR should be expelled from the Labour Party - then off to the Hague for this war criminal. The entire mess in the ME is their responsibility

[WinkyDink]

1. Tony Blair needs to sit in Gitmo.

[cantbeserious]

3. His Cellmate - Dubya

eom

[rhett o rick]

21. I would prefer that Cheney live in Gitmo and Georgie be sentenced to flip burgers at Burger King

for min wage for the rest of his life.

[Motown_Johnny]

23. Do you want him cooking your food?

If not then why make others suffer that fate?

I think Gitmo for W would be poetic justice as well as simply being justice for his crimes.

[rhett o rick]

57. I am disappointed to think you'd think I'd eat there. Yuck! nm

[Motown_Johnny]

67. People eat at Burger King.

I would't let W work there.

[tecelote]

24. He has to be the most evil genius in our history.

We're still at war and Halliburton is still doing great.

[Javaman]

71. "evil genius' " are only as good as their willing henchmen. nt

[BeanMusical]

32. Cheney, Dumbyu, Wolfie, Rice, Rumsfeld etc.

All of them are war criminals. Let's send them to Gitmo. And you're being cruel about W being sentenced to flip burgers at Burger King.

[Mopar151]

54. On his current medications?

I don't think it would bother him a lot, if he could clown around with the crew in the back..... But they might not like him all that much.
Cheny does'nt deserve Gitmo. Rikers Island for the trial, followed by incarceration in Maricopa County, AZ.

[rhett o rick]

58. You do make a good point in that Georgie would probably love flipping burgers.

Cheney should serve his time in the produce fields in Calif.

[marble falls]

19. Not Gitmo, rather the Hague.

[WinkyDink]

30. To quote Dr. Schuffhausen ("Dirty Rotten Scoundrels"): He needs something "a little more STRINGENT."

[Dustlawyer]

69. Does Blair travel outside the UK?

Part of the problem with our electoral corruption that allows the rich to buy politicians and control the propaganda is that it has created a class that is above the law. Those flag pins they wear must stand for something, we need to demand accountability!

[L. Coyote]

2. Can we rent a nice place in Nuremberg? Must be large enough for some political trials?

These things take time, might need a real lease!

http://naziwarcrimes.org/the-nuremberg-trials/

[malaise]

20. Can't wait for the full report

next year

[ChazInAz]

26. I've been there.

It would be completely appropriate

[spanone]

4. K&R...

[Diclotican]

5. malaise

malaise

So, the ones who wanted to go to war with Iraq - also wanted everyone who was in the know - to destroy key evience about the affair - so for making it less plausible he might end up in a problem down the road.. If he have had the good considence against going to war - he might not have adviced everyone in the know - to destroy the evidences, who put the whole affair in a different light...

Now, get him booted out of the Labour Party - and then send him to Hauge, as a war criminal - and get others who was with him to the court - and let the Hague get all the facts on the table - at least from the british side..

Blair is a war crime - and should face a trial for his part, in the war in Iraq.. And for the mess the middle east have become after the big Fuckup Iraq indeed was... Even if conservatives tries very hard, to distance themself from the whole affair - and try to explain, and explain that they was not for the war - when they war for it - or to blame the iraqis, or the Syrians, or the middle east for their own downfall - even if it started when "W" bungled the one chance he had, to not just redeem himself for the mess he did 9/11 - but also to show that US could depose one leader - and in fact turn a arab country around... He did neither... And now the whole middle east is a big, big mess - where everyone is armed to the teeths - thanks to weapons stolen from all forms of regimes - and becouse of the many million US spendt on "moderate islamists" in the region.... It does not exist "moderate islamists" they are the same - and US is a fool who want to send money and soldiers to the region - to depose the Assad Regime... It is just Iraq all over again...
Diclotican

[malaise]

9. Yes indeed

The neo-cons appear to be running the show again. I cannot even process the madness re Syria right now - it's way too painful. The imperialists and lovers of loot, kill and plunder have not changed anything except the killing power of the weapons.

[Ghost Dog]

31. Nicely put, Diclotican.

In UK politics, I would like to see Bliar and the whole "New Labour" ideology he helped spawn expelled from the true Labour Party. The Corbyn leadership covers it... Given that the Tory party is also likely to split along EU in/out lines &/or be leached by UKIP and other nutters, UK politics could become more 'interesting', like right now here in Spain, again.

[Diclotican]

40. Ghost Dog

Ghost Dog

I do belive if Tony Blair is booted out of the Labour party - also his ideology would be booted out with it - and a more real labour party would emerge - Corbyn is maybe a tiny bit to the left - a real socialist, and would posible turn the Labour Party more to the left in many ways - and indeed make british more "Interesting" again - and more fun to follow... Im not sure if the Tories would split even over EU - but UKIP have made some grounds - who might give rise to far more troubles in the future...
Diclotican

[BeanMusical]

34. +1 Totally agree, Diclotican.

[GoneFishin]

6. Imagine the fucking arrogance to know you are going to get millions of people killed, including

many of your own troops through a deliberate act of law breaking, but doing it anyway.

[malaise]

10. Yep arrogance is the word for Iraq

hubris is the word for the fact that the same scumbags are still invading, occupying and deciding who should rule fucking sovereign countries. These days they don't even pretend - it is naked overt imperialism at work.

[GoneFishin]

13. I think not having any investigative journalism makes them bolder. If Harry Reasoner was calling

these assholes out for the war crimes on the TV 6 o'clock news every night it would slow them down a lot. But with FOX spinning bullshit justifications and confusing the masses with propaganda 24/7 average people don't know who the players are, or how many ways they are screwing them over.

[BeanMusical]

35. Yes, that's sad.

An uninformed and brainwashed population is easier to fool than an informed one. Hence the dumbing down.

[grasswire]

46. ...which is why Keith Olbermann was forced out.

And Phil Donahue before him.

[GoneFishin]

50. Yep. But to perpetuate their dumbing down they will need to cork the internet. People need to be

sharp and vigilant against creeping restrictions on internet exchanges because the internet is a major pain in the ass for those who have worked for decades to co-opt the major networks, cable news, and major print media.

[Octafish]

7. Blair will squeal like a pig.

His co-conspirators are in for a big sweaty of bullets.

[malaise]

11. Not sure - he may go and seek refuge with his pope

I'm always amused that they'll kick you out for a divorce or an abortion but you can slaughter millions and be welcomed by the same religious groups who facilitate the loot, kill and plunder.
Then they turn around and call the victims the barbarians. This planet sucks big time.

[Octafish]

41. Losing one's soul to Satan? Priceless.

For everything else, there's obstruction of justice.



That Daily Mail article is damning. Wish more people remembered this history, let alone learned it for the first time. Ask your friends about David Kelly and Robin Cook. How many still remember them without GOOGLE? The fact Poodle, Smirk and the rest aren't in The Hague is the corrupt nature of the governments of the U.K. and the USA.

Thank you for a most important post and thread, malaise. God, and I believe in God and gods and the possibility that they may not be, will not forget one of their sins. How would She forget their crimes against humanity? It's up to us, though, to hold Blair and Bush to account and before the law.

[DhhD]

66. The Merchant Church. no text

[Ghost Dog]

33. They'll take him out...

[Octafish]

42. Cars crash.

Planes miss the runway. Accidents for some reason work best, per the CIA assassination manual. Heart attacks and suicides and falls from high places, if need arises, strokes on the operating table. Anyone besides ONI Bob Woodward remember what Bill Casey said about Iran-Contra?

[malaise]

44. Don't rule that out n/t

[Admiral Loinpresser]

8. KnR! n/t

[bananas]

12. That's why they dropped the case against Katherine Gun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharine_Gun

Katharine Teresa Gun (née Harwood, born 1974) is a British[1] former translator for the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), a British intelligence agency. In 2003, she became publicly known for leaking top-secret information to the press concerning illegal activities by the United States of America in their push for the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Some of these activities include the US National Security Agency's eavesdropping operation on countries tasked with passing a second United Nations resolution on the invasion of Iraq.[2]

<snip>

The case came to court on 25 February 2004. Within half an hour, the case was dropped because the prosecution declined to offer evidence. The reasons for the prosecution dropping the case are unclear. The day before the trial, Gun's defence team had asked the government for any records of advice about the legality of the war that it had received during the run-up to the war. A full trial might have exposed any such documents to public scrutiny as the defence were expected to argue that trying to stop an illegal act (that of an illegal war of aggression) trumped Gun's obligations under the Official Secrets Act 1989. Speculation was rife in the media that the prosecution service had bowed to political pressure to drop the case so that any such documents would remain secret. However, a Government spokesman said that the decision to drop the case had been made before the defence's demands had been submitted. (The Guardian newspaper had reported plans to drop the case the previous week.[citation needed]) On the day of the court case, Gun was quoted as saying:

I'm just baffled that in the 21st century we as human beings are still dropping bombs on each other as a means to resolve issues.

<snip>

[malaise]

15. Great post

Thanks for the reminder

[avaistheone1]

16. Very interesting.

She reminds me of Sibel Edmonds.

Thank God for people like them. They are the real heros.

[mountain grammy]

36. I remember this case, we all should..

thanks for posting.

[BeanMusical]

38. Thank you for the info.

I wasn't familiar with this case at all.

[grasswire]

47. thank you nt

[Hoppy]

14. I wonder if Hillary saw the memo before she voted for the war.

[stupidicus]

22. Hillary likely knew they were lying

who she was married to changes the equation significantly imo from other dems that voted with her.

Her husband lied profusely about the "certainty" of wmds in his quest to preserve the inhumane sanctions. As I argued to my lefty allies at the time, defending BC was really counterproductive, given that his lies made BUsh's easoer to sell, and as I saw it at the time, Bush perhaps wouldn't have been able to to the extent that he did to the American people but for those Clinton lies -- and of course, Clinton largely playing the Pontius Pilate routine throughout, if not to this day.

As Kay made clear well after the fact, "We all got it wrong."

"We" of course, doesn't include us all.

[TheSarcastinator]

25. of course Hillary Clinton knew they were lying!

Hell, I knew they were lying and all I had at the time was a lousy dial up connection and the willingness to do the research. She knew it was all bogus but at the same time she could also smell the freedom fries, and that was a powerful stench.

[stupidicus]

27. lol

a slave to her olfactory sense?

that would be more acceptable than her unbridled ambition that has cost us and will likely carry a high price tag should she win the high office.

[Enthusiast]

29. Supporters could give a fuck.

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[BeanMusical]

39. +1 Of course she knew.

[mahannah]

17. "Shit hit the fan"? There is no fan.

[marble falls]

18. Really, really good stuff. Thanks!

[jalan48]

28. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[mountain grammy]

37. Intent on going to war. Yeah, let's start with that.

[grasswire]

43. the COMMENTS SECTION

Oh lord. I've been absorbing this for a couple of hours.

The perfidy of those who profited from the lies is almost unfathomable. Hanging is too good.

Sickening.

[malaise]

45. Going there now

Thanks

[grasswire]

48. this news should have a thousand recs

Jeb better thank his lucky stars that he is not doing better in the election. He can fade into obscurity before the SHTF

[malaise]

49. You know I've always womdered about Poppy's role

His fingers are usually in every mess up

[zentrum]

51. Thank you so much for posting.

Special kick to your last sentence about the ME.

[grasswire]

52. kick

really important

[Duppers]

53. K & R

[rafeh1]

55. Hague doesn't touch western leaders

No matter how blatant the evidence or how brazen the crime. Hague only goes after african dictators

[Betty Karlson]

65. See response #64 please.

Incidentally, The ICC did not go after European leaders only because the last bunch of European war criminals (Milosevic and co) were dragged before a separate court specialising in war crimes in former Yugoslavia. That court was one of the precursors of the ICC. And that court too was established in The Hague.

[dflprincess]

56. "The Trial of Tony Blair"

[div class = "excerpt"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_Tony_Blair

The Trial of Tony Blair is a satirical drama recounting hypothetical war crimes proceedings brought against former British Prime Minister Tony Blair by an international tribunal, following his departure from 10 Downing Street. Directed by Simon Cellan Jones, it was first aired on More4 on 15 January 2007 and repeated on 5 March 2007 and during Blair's last week as Prime Minister on 23 June 2007.

A short time before the 2010 general election, Tony Blair goes on British television and gives a political broadcast, in which he announces his resignation from his position as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

The Labour Party, of which Blair is leader, is trailing David Cameron's Conservative Party in the polls. However, within hours of Blair's departure, the polling trends dramatically reverse with respondents overwhelmingly supporting Labour's new leader, Gordon Brown. Fearing that his legacy is under severe threat, Blair attempts to sabotage Labour's election campaign, leaking an inflammatory e-mail sent from Brown to Blair wherein the former admits that tax hikes are "inevitable". Blair's plan works, in that Labour wins the election with a majority of just two Members of Parliament, smaller than Blair's majority and with Cameron in a much better position.

Meanwhile, Blair is having problems of his own. Both he and his wife, Cherie, are having financial problems. He is obsessed with his legacy, but neither his former supporters nor the U.S. government — led by President Hillary Clinton — want anything to do with him. Finally, Blair is haunted by disturbing visions of dead Iraqi civilians and British soldiers in the ongoing Iraq War. His troubled conscience makes him try to convert to Catholicism, though in repeated visits to church he finds himself unable to confess to any sins. Blair is portrayed as being partly in denial that a world which once hailed him as a great leader has largely turned against him.

To compound Blair's problems, the International Criminal Court is looking to bring war crimes charges against British and American leaders in relation to the war. Now that Blair is no longer Prime Minister, he no longer has diplomatic immunity from prosecution, and since George W. Bush cannot be prosecuted due to America's unwillingness to extradite former Presidents, Blair would become the main scapegoat of any such trial. Brown is initially uncertain of what to do, but his hand is ultimately forced when he is informed that several Labour MPs have threatened to defect to the Liberal Democrats — thereby destabilising Labour's minority government — if he fails to act.

The United Nations Security Council votes on the decision to bring Blair to court. Ordinarily, this would not have been an issue as the United Kingdom, a permanent member of the Security Council, would have been able to veto the resolution. Unfortunately for Blair, Brown's assistant orders Britain's Security Council representative to be absent when the resolution is voted on. The resolution passes, with all other Security Council members — including the United States — voting in favour.

Under the stress of events, Blair suffers a recurrence of heart problems, but everybody believes this is play-acting. The programme ends with Tony Blair being flown to his trial in The Hague.


If you can find a copy (not on Netflix) and enjoy dark comedy, it's worth watching. And, while it was off on the dates, it almost seems prophetic.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

59. Blair provided the legitimacy for Dubya to go to war....

Imagine it the ONLY ones to support it had been the Saudis?

[Phlem]

60. But Hillary will fix this, ya!!!!!

[Rex]

61. Oops.

The stain on our two nations will never be removed, mark my words. We lack the integrity to do the right thing. That is why we waller in plutocracy.

[Initech]

62. There's a million hearings on Benghazi, but not one inquiry into this.

Argh, I hate our government sometimes.

[Skittles]

63. we were told we had to LOOK FORWARD

THAT WAS A HUGE MISTAKE

[Betty Karlson]

64. "For starters BLIAR should be expelled from Labour - then off to the Hague for this war criminal"

I very much hope Labour will do so.

But The Hague may not be necessary. The International Ciminal Court is only needed when the individual's own country is unable or unwilling to prosecute the war crime. If the British authorities can establish a case against Hague, he could be prosecuted for war crimes (and treason too!) by Britain.

[raouldukelives]

68. K&R nt

[Babel_17]

70. A perfect storm for the war cabal

Most everything had to have gone wrong for them to be held accountable, and it has.

If the invasion and occupation were seen by most as a success this wouldn't have been investigated as hard and/or could be brushed aside. Who could have imagined so much effort being put into this? Who could imagine most of government and most of the press not closing ranks in support of a wartime Prime Minister's actions? He was acting in accord with Britain's greatest ally, the United States, how could that be a bad thing, after 911?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1139328/

Great movie, might have to give it another watch. http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-ghost-writer-2010 Four out of four stars from Roger Ebert.