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Elmergantry

(884 posts)
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 06:47 AM Oct 2015

ISIS execut 12 Christians, including 2 boys and 2 woman raped publicy for refusing to renounce Jesus

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/isis.executes.12.christiansincluding.boy.and.2.women.who.were.raped.in.public.and.beheadedfor.refusing.to.renounce.jesus/66532.htm


Islamic State militants have brutally murdered 12 Christians, including the 12-year-old son of a Syrian ministry team leader who had planted nine churches, for refusing to renounce Jesus Christ and embrace Islam instead, the Gospel Herald reported.

The horrific executions took place last Aug. 28 in an unnamed village outside Aleppo, Syria, according to Christian Aid Mission, a humanitarian group that assists indigenous Christian workers in their native countries.






"In front of the team leader and relatives in the crowd, the Islamic extremists cut off the fingertips of the boy and severely beat him, telling his father they would stop the torture only if he, the father, returned to Islam," Christian Aid said, according to Gospel Herald.

"When the team leader refused, relatives said, the ISIS militants also tortured and beat him and the two other ministry workers. The three men and the boy then met their deaths in crucifixion.''

"They were killed for refusing to return to Islam after embracing Christianity, as were the other eight aid workers, including two women,'' Christian Aid said in its statement.

The eight were reportedly brought to a separate site in the village and asked if they would also return to Islam. But after they refused the offer, the women, ages 29 and 33, "were raped before the crowd, summoned to watch, and then all eight were beheaded."

Citing relatives and villagers who saw the horrific crime, the ministry leader of Christian Aid said that the women "prayed and knelt before the Islamic State militants.''

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Putins bombs cant come soon enough.



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ISIS execut 12 Christians, including 2 boys and 2 woman raped publicy for refusing to renounce Jesus (Original Post) Elmergantry Oct 2015 OP
Ah, the joys of fanatical belief. PeteSelman Oct 2015 #1
They believe in something Dorian Gray Oct 2015 #2
I agree, and vilifying the victims isn't a solution . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #4
If we really wanted to defeat ISIS we would abandon the notion of getting rid of Assad for now. kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #58
Fanatical Muslim belief, Pete... whathehell Oct 2015 #9
That's right! We are far superior! JNelson6563 Oct 2015 #13
Oh no.. whathehell Oct 2015 #14
I'm of the view neither is better. JNelson6563 Oct 2015 #26
As a woman, leftynyc Oct 2015 #31
Yep. Christian assholes here refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings. Nye Bevan Oct 2015 #55
Why is that so hard for people to say? leftynyc Oct 2015 #59
As a gay man who likes living Kurska Oct 2015 #40
You seem to be moving the goal posts; what "neither" are you talking about? whathehell Oct 2015 #41
Actually, if we went the way of theocracy our society's JNelson6563 Oct 2015 #54
Actually, that's just an opinion based on nothing. whathehell Oct 2015 #63
Not in a million years. Mass shootings are not being done by coordinated patsimp Oct 2015 #66
Utter bullshit sub.theory Oct 2015 #71
Thank you. whathehell Oct 2015 #74
They are just following their holy book, unless most religous people on the planet snooper2 Oct 2015 #20
i don't recall other holy books asking for the extermination of non-believers patsimp Oct 2015 #30
read many holy books? snooper2 Oct 2015 #35
interesting. I just google that highmindedhavi Oct 2015 #38
In the major religions around the world - which one (s) have millions of followers still patsimp Oct 2015 #64
They don't...It's just another knee jerk attempt at false equivalence, i.e. all religions are whathehell Oct 2015 #43
All religions are not equivalent. Some have millions of followers who are willing to kill patsimp Oct 2015 #65
My sky dad can beat up your sky dad...! TipTok Oct 2015 #68
I don't have a sky dad whathehell Oct 2015 #73
You don't read enough holy books. Alittleliberal Oct 2015 #49
it's the muslims that are doing this. Not the Christians. patsimp Oct 2015 #29
National borders are also a common denominator LanternWaste Oct 2015 #62
Islam, not religion in general. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2015 #69
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #3
woman's Dorian Gray Oct 2015 #5
People try to whitewash the brutal isis ideology patsimp Oct 2015 #32
Does that include the students killed in Oregon last week? (eom) Petrushka Oct 2015 #8
That is terrible and untrue yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #10
Say WhAT? whathehell Oct 2015 #11
there are no words. snagglepuss Oct 2015 #6
isis is equal opportunity monsters..lets not give in to christian persecution complex dembotoz Oct 2015 #7
What exactly is the "Christian persecution complex"? NT Elmergantry Oct 2015 #12
Many Christian groups in the US believe that Christians are being targeted for persecution el_bryanto Oct 2015 #16
Would love to see example of christians being persecuted in the US. cleanhippie Oct 2015 #17
I can understand that - you generally despise Christians from what I recall. el_bryanto Oct 2015 #18
Lol. You made a claim that christians are being persecuted in the US. Back it up with proof. cleanhippie Oct 2015 #19
You didn't really read what I said did you? el_bryanto Oct 2015 #21
You didn't really read what I said did you? cleanhippie Oct 2015 #23
You should try writing more clearly. el_bryanto Oct 2015 #24
You shouldn't intentionally misrepresent others to make yourself feel better. cleanhippie Oct 2015 #25
You mean like you did with your initial response? el_bryanto Oct 2015 #27
The USA charities only promote the persecution of christians stuck in barbarian countries. Sunlei Oct 2015 #36
If I am not mistaken Elmergantry Oct 2015 #37
Odd statement when given the rare example where hughee99 Oct 2015 #15
Are you kidding me? Persecution of Christians is a real thing in the ME. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #51
You're hopeless sub.theory Oct 2015 #72
Another Monday for religion... TipTok Oct 2015 #22
just like WW2, soldiers & authorities torment and massacre "in public" relig/race/class they hate Sunlei Oct 2015 #28
"Christian Aid Mission" uses this as front page news.A huge USA, Va. ORG. They set-up those missions Sunlei Oct 2015 #33
Or just stop trying to spread your own particular nonsensical mythologies. Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #61
horrific Liberal_in_LA Oct 2015 #34
Muslims killing Christians and Christians killing Muslims been going on for over 1000 years YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #39
Yes. Those evil Shinto priests MUST be outlawed or we'll never have rest here! Shandris Oct 2015 #45
Go ahead and keep believing in fantasy make believe figures YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #48
Oh you're so enlightened sub.theory Oct 2015 #75
History is my guide and the history of the religions killing to get what they want fills volumes of YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #76
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, et al. refute you sub.theory Oct 2015 #77
A good Christian boy killed over 6 million Jewish people YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #78
Russia, do what you need to do LittleBlue Oct 2015 #42
What? rockfordfile Oct 2015 #44
"Civilian casualties be damned." NuclearDem Oct 2015 #46
More like deciding whether to bomb the train tracks going LittleBlue Oct 2015 #47
Ah, so war crimes for their own good then. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #50
Well I hope Russia can avoid civilian casualties Elmergantry Oct 2015 #53
Yes Dorian Gray Oct 2015 #70
Disgraceful and horrific. A crime against humanity. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #52
ISIS equals NAZIS workinclasszero Oct 2015 #56
What about the Prophet Muhammed FrodosPet Oct 2015 #79
Fucking morons. Iggo Oct 2015 #57
It's sad and pathetic modern humans are still fighting and dying over these stupid mythologies. Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #60
Horrorific. romanic Oct 2015 #67

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
1. Ah, the joys of fanatical belief.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 06:55 AM
Oct 2015

Religion is the common stupid denominator in all of this. Obviously the fanatical Muslims are the worst in this but to allow your child to be beaten and tortured in the name of religion is as sick and sad.

There are plenty of things worth dying for, mythology isn't one of them.

Dorian Gray

(13,538 posts)
2. They believe in something
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 06:58 AM
Oct 2015

so strong that they won't let bullies bully it out of them. I admire them. (And no, I would denounce my religion to save my child.)

But I don't think it's fair to blame the victims here. They were tortured and killed bc ISIS wants to torture and kill people.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
58. If we really wanted to defeat ISIS we would abandon the notion of getting rid of Assad for now.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 01:07 PM
Oct 2015

Once ISIS is dealt with, a negotiate a deal with Assad for regime change in either fact or policy. The lives of the people are worth more than saving a disgraced face on either side.

whathehell

(29,113 posts)
9. Fanatical Muslim belief, Pete...
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 07:31 AM
Oct 2015

The blanket condemnation of religion doesn't cut it anymore -- This shit doesn't happen in

the non-Islamic West and we're all aware of that. Time to get real.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
13. That's right! We are far superior!
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 07:50 AM
Oct 2015

Our brutal mass killings are so much quicker and less showy, far more cosmopolitan!

Julie

whathehell

(29,113 posts)
14. Oh no..
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:01 AM
Oct 2015

I'd much prefer we exchange our Constitution, and Separation of Church and State for a sectarian ISIS style Justice System.
At least then we could avoid being so culturally gauche as to imagine our system might be superior!

Forget state sanctioned Rape Murders -- - The REAL crime here is being politically incorrect!

Un-fucking believable










JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
26. I'm of the view neither is better.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:58 AM
Oct 2015

If the religious don't hold power they don't kill each other. When they have real power forced conversions come into the picture and that stuff always gets ugly, no matter what brand of religion it is.

Julie

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
31. As a woman,
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:40 AM
Oct 2015

and I'm sure my gay friends would agree, our culture IS SUPERIOR. I have no problems saying that at all. This political correctness crap got old years ago.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
55. Yep. Christian assholes here refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:59 PM
Oct 2015

Islamist assholes over there stone women to death for committing adultery, throw men off buildings for being gay, and attack women in the street if they perceive they are dressed immodestly.

We are better than them.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
59. Why is that so hard for people to say?
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 01:25 PM
Oct 2015

Without being called an Islamophobe or some such other bullshit? If any woman or gay person is honest in the slightest, it's a no brainer.

whathehell

(29,113 posts)
41. You seem to be moving the goal posts; what "neither" are you talking about?
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:25 PM
Oct 2015

Your first post talked about western societies -- no mention of religion was made,

so who, is this "we" who are, according to you, "no better" than Islamic theocracies?

"If the religious don't hold power they don't kill each other".

Thanks for making my original point, which was that, since Western societies do restrict religious power,

they are, in fact, "better".

Have a good one.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
54. Actually, if we went the way of theocracy our society's
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:57 PM
Oct 2015

brutality would surpass theirs.

I reckon our mass shootings only keep pace. Cause we're more advanced.

Julie

whathehell

(29,113 posts)
63. Actually, that's just an opinion based on nothing.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 02:48 PM
Oct 2015

resembling evidence...I like your attempt to pass it off as "fact", though. Better luck next time.












patsimp

(915 posts)
66. Not in a million years. Mass shootings are not being done by coordinated
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:23 PM
Oct 2015

religious fanatics and encouraged by the establishment in this country. They are done by deranged individuals who are supported by the nra. the nra is not a religious institution.

False equivalency helps to trivialize brutality committed against innocent people all over the world. Instead, it would be better to condemn the slaughter of many thousands of people by horrible people who do so out of the belief of personal reward. That is not pious or just.

sub.theory

(652 posts)
71. Utter bullshit
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 08:56 AM
Oct 2015

Give explicit examples of where Americans (outside of the traitors that have joined ISIS) anywhere on Earth are torturing, murdering, and raping anyone for refusing to renounce their religion or become some other religion. You can't. Because it doesn't exist and your false equivalence is bullshit. How can you stand living here?

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
20. They are just following their holy book, unless most religous people on the planet
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:42 AM
Oct 2015

Soon as all the religious books get classified as hate speech around the world we will be good!

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
35. read many holy books?
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:55 AM
Oct 2015

book of Luke chapter 19 verse 27

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

patsimp

(915 posts)
64. In the major religions around the world - which one (s) have millions of followers still
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:17 PM
Oct 2015

believing in these calls to convert by force of death?

whathehell

(29,113 posts)
43. They don't...It's just another knee jerk attempt at false equivalence, i.e. all religions are
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:28 PM
Oct 2015

A. The Same. B. Bad

It's been going on for years here. Pay no attention.

patsimp

(915 posts)
65. All religions are not equivalent. Some have millions of followers who are willing to kill
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:19 PM
Oct 2015

and slaughter because they believe rewards will come in the afterlife. How evil is a person that is willing to inflict this for personal gain (imaginary as it is but they're too stupid to understand that).

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
62. National borders are also a common denominator
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 02:34 PM
Oct 2015

National borders are also a common denominator-- those same borders being equally imaginary as religion, that same imaginary construct so amny tell us is worth dying for...

Response to Elmergantry (Original post)

whathehell

(29,113 posts)
11. Say WhAT?
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 07:36 AM
Oct 2015

Blaming "Christians" for this savagery?...You really DO like a challenge, don't you?

Keep trying.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
16. Many Christian groups in the US believe that Christians are being targeted for persecution
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:30 AM
Oct 2015

This ranges from out right tragedies like this action to them losing special privileges in the United States. Conservative writers have written whole books about how Christians in America are targeted for persecution because they aren't allowed to pray in public meetings (for example) or they aren't allowed to say Merry Christmas.

Those books sell, because Christians like to fancy that they are heroic, and suffering under persecution sounds more heroic than going to church and being Republican.

That's not to say that every example of persecution is bullshit; obviously there are some examples of it in the states, and more examples world wide; but it needs to be put into perspective.

Bryant

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
18. I can understand that - you generally despise Christians from what I recall.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:36 AM
Oct 2015

So it's not surprising that you would want to see them persecuted.

Obviously as a Christian I have a different perspective.

Bryant

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
19. Lol. You made a claim that christians are being persecuted in the US. Back it up with proof.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:40 AM
Oct 2015

Or is this just another pathetic attempt to CYA.


What I do despise are liars and hypocrites. Especially those that intentionally misrepresent others in a childish attempt to make themselves feel good.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
21. You didn't really read what I said did you?
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:48 AM
Oct 2015

Or is it not enough to say that the American Christian Persecution complex is 99% bullshit; I have to definitively say that there are no examples of Christians ever being persecuted in the United States in, say, the last 10 years?

Does that seem likely to you?

Bryant

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
23. You didn't really read what I said did you?
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:53 AM
Oct 2015

But instead decided to intentionally misrepresent me and launch a personal attack..

You stay classy.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
24. You should try writing more clearly.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:56 AM
Oct 2015

I take it you aren't prepared to defend the theory that there are no justifiable examples of Christians being persecuted ever?

Bryant

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
25. You shouldn't intentionally misrepresent others to make yourself feel better.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 09:57 AM
Oct 2015

And continue to stay classy.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
27. You mean like you did with your initial response?
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:01 AM
Oct 2015

The one where you clearly were implying that I had argued that the Christian Persecution complex was a real thing? Yes I guess you are right; my response was flippant - I should have just responded to your attack directly instead of mocking it.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
37. If I am not mistaken
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:24 AM
Oct 2015

The Oregon shooter sought out Christians...

But generally, it is true Christians are not being persecuted in the US. In other parts of the world it is a different case.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
51. Are you kidding me? Persecution of Christians is a real thing in the ME.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:53 PM
Oct 2015

Your post is ridiculous and you shoukd self delete.

sub.theory

(652 posts)
72. You're hopeless
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:26 AM
Oct 2015

When Christians are being raped and beheaded for being Christians THEY REALLY ARE BEING PERSECUTED. It doesn't get anymore clear cut. Good grief. The hatred of some of you for innocent Chrustians is truly disturbing.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
28. just like WW2, soldiers & authorities torment and massacre "in public" relig/race/class they hate
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:04 AM
Oct 2015

humanity will never change

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
33. "Christian Aid Mission" uses this as front page news.A huge USA, Va. ORG. They set-up those missions
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 10:50 AM
Oct 2015
in countries where they know 'Christians' are a direct target of locals. their article says they "choose to stay in their village"

Not enough support "Christian Aid Mission" you want to 'spread the word', build churches and convert 'indigious people' in other countries to your religion?

Your ORG. should have brought the entire small group (your org started) to a safer location and supported them financially. It is not right to spread the word, convert people, pay to build churches and then abandon them to the wolves in their own country!!
 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
61. Or just stop trying to spread your own particular nonsensical mythologies.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 01:54 PM
Oct 2015

These people have their own nonsensical mythologies.

 

YabaDabaNoDinoNo

(460 posts)
39. Muslims killing Christians and Christians killing Muslims been going on for over 1000 years
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 11:33 AM
Oct 2015

Even in da USA random Muslims and those mistaken as Muslim have been assaulted and even murdered by good God fearing American Christians

The problem is religion, all religion





 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
45. Yes. Those evil Shinto priests MUST be outlawed or we'll never have rest here!
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:34 PM
Oct 2015

Also, those who follow the Great Spirit, shamans of the Animal Totems. Why, we need to execute all of them, those damn religions.

*tips fedora*




Or maybe we could, you know, not be religious in our zeal to wipe out religion, neh?

 

YabaDabaNoDinoNo

(460 posts)
48. Go ahead and keep believing in fantasy make believe figures
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:43 PM
Oct 2015

And let them run your life

I don't care just dont complain when someone who does not worship like you so kills you over it



sub.theory

(652 posts)
75. Oh you're so enlightened
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 09:36 AM
Oct 2015

A regular Mahatma Ghandi you are. Oh wait, he was a devout Hindu. Well you are at least an Isaac Newton then. Oh wait he was a devout Christian. Oh bother. These horrible religious types making the world such an awful place...

P.S. I'm laughing at how utterly foolish you are.

 

YabaDabaNoDinoNo

(460 posts)
76. History is my guide and the history of the religions killing to get what they want fills volumes of
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:27 AM
Oct 2015

Books

The good exceptions are few and far between currently and in history



sub.theory

(652 posts)
77. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, et al. refute you
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 10:35 AM
Oct 2015

Your glorious atheist utopia hasn't worked out so well either. Don't let those inconvenient historical facts get in the way of your raging atheist superiority complex, though. You have The One Real Truth, right?! The irony is choking.

 

YabaDabaNoDinoNo

(460 posts)
78. A good Christian boy killed over 6 million Jewish people
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 11:03 AM
Oct 2015

Stalin was also good Christian boy was even gonna be a priest

We can go tit for tat all day long and the score card for religious butchery will exceed any non religious examples you may come up with



 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
42. Russia, do what you need to do
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:26 PM
Oct 2015

Civilian casualties be damned. This group cannot be allowed to survive.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
47. More like deciding whether to bomb the train tracks going
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:40 PM
Oct 2015

to Auschwitz. Those who live in the Islamic state are little more than slaves. Women are being sold in slave markets.

It isn't humanitarian to allow this group to survive longer than necessary.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
50. Ah, so war crimes for their own good then.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:47 PM
Oct 2015

Gotcha.

Besides, it's not like collateral damage against civilians has ever driven people to join terrorist groups!

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
53. Well I hope Russia can avoid civilian casualties
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:56 PM
Oct 2015

But ISIS needs to know that hding behind womens skirts will not save them.

Dorian Gray

(13,538 posts)
70. Yes
Tue Oct 6, 2015, 06:58 AM
Oct 2015

bc who gives a shit about civilian casualties? : :

Look, I know that ISIS is shockingly horrible. They need to be stopped. But....

When the solution is as bad as the problem, the solution SUCKS!

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
56. ISIS equals NAZIS
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 12:59 PM
Oct 2015

We can all thank George W Bush and Darth Cheney for unleashing those filthy murdering scum on the world!

romanic

(2,841 posts)
67. Horrorific.
Mon Oct 5, 2015, 04:51 PM
Oct 2015

And some still want to give radical Islamist murders and rapists a pass because Christian did it too. Yeah Christians raped and pillaged...just not in 2015 like ISIS is doing. :I

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