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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsISIS execut 12 Christians, including 2 boys and 2 woman raped publicy for refusing to renounce Jesus
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/isis.executes.12.christiansincluding.boy.and.2.women.who.were.raped.in.public.and.beheadedfor.refusing.to.renounce.jesus/66532.htmIslamic State militants have brutally murdered 12 Christians, including the 12-year-old son of a Syrian ministry team leader who had planted nine churches, for refusing to renounce Jesus Christ and embrace Islam instead, the Gospel Herald reported.
The horrific executions took place last Aug. 28 in an unnamed village outside Aleppo, Syria, according to Christian Aid Mission, a humanitarian group that assists indigenous Christian workers in their native countries.
"In front of the team leader and relatives in the crowd, the Islamic extremists cut off the fingertips of the boy and severely beat him, telling his father they would stop the torture only if he, the father, returned to Islam," Christian Aid said, according to Gospel Herald.
"When the team leader refused, relatives said, the ISIS militants also tortured and beat him and the two other ministry workers. The three men and the boy then met their deaths in crucifixion.''
"They were killed for refusing to return to Islam after embracing Christianity, as were the other eight aid workers, including two women,'' Christian Aid said in its statement.
The eight were reportedly brought to a separate site in the village and asked if they would also return to Islam. But after they refused the offer, the women, ages 29 and 33, "were raped before the crowd, summoned to watch, and then all eight were beheaded."
Citing relatives and villagers who saw the horrific crime, the ministry leader of Christian Aid said that the women "prayed and knelt before the Islamic State militants.''
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Putins bombs cant come soon enough.
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)Religion is the common stupid denominator in all of this. Obviously the fanatical Muslims are the worst in this but to allow your child to be beaten and tortured in the name of religion is as sick and sad.
There are plenty of things worth dying for, mythology isn't one of them.
Dorian Gray
(13,538 posts)so strong that they won't let bullies bully it out of them. I admire them. (And no, I would denounce my religion to save my child.)
But I don't think it's fair to blame the victims here. They were tortured and killed bc ISIS wants to torture and kill people.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Once ISIS is dealt with, a negotiate a deal with Assad for regime change in either fact or policy. The lives of the people are worth more than saving a disgraced face on either side.
whathehell
(29,113 posts)The blanket condemnation of religion doesn't cut it anymore -- This shit doesn't happen in
the non-Islamic West and we're all aware of that. Time to get real.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Our brutal mass killings are so much quicker and less showy, far more cosmopolitan!
Julie
whathehell
(29,113 posts)I'd much prefer we exchange our Constitution, and Separation of Church and State for a sectarian ISIS style Justice System.
At least then we could avoid being so culturally gauche as to imagine our system might be superior!
Forget state sanctioned Rape Murders -- - The REAL crime here is being politically incorrect!
Un-fucking believable
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)If the religious don't hold power they don't kill each other. When they have real power forced conversions come into the picture and that stuff always gets ugly, no matter what brand of religion it is.
Julie
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and I'm sure my gay friends would agree, our culture IS SUPERIOR. I have no problems saying that at all. This political correctness crap got old years ago.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Islamist assholes over there stone women to death for committing adultery, throw men off buildings for being gay, and attack women in the street if they perceive they are dressed immodestly.
We are better than them.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Without being called an Islamophobe or some such other bullshit? If any woman or gay person is honest in the slightest, it's a no brainer.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)I would say our way of doing things is vastly superior.
whathehell
(29,113 posts)Your first post talked about western societies -- no mention of religion was made,
so who, is this "we" who are, according to you, "no better" than Islamic theocracies?
"If the religious don't hold power they don't kill each other".
Thanks for making my original point, which was that, since Western societies do restrict religious power,
they are, in fact, "better".
Have a good one.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)brutality would surpass theirs.
I reckon our mass shootings only keep pace. Cause we're more advanced.
Julie
whathehell
(29,113 posts)resembling evidence...I like your attempt to pass it off as "fact", though. Better luck next time.
patsimp
(915 posts)religious fanatics and encouraged by the establishment in this country. They are done by deranged individuals who are supported by the nra. the nra is not a religious institution.
False equivalency helps to trivialize brutality committed against innocent people all over the world. Instead, it would be better to condemn the slaughter of many thousands of people by horrible people who do so out of the belief of personal reward. That is not pious or just.
sub.theory
(652 posts)Give explicit examples of where Americans (outside of the traitors that have joined ISIS) anywhere on Earth are torturing, murdering, and raping anyone for refusing to renounce their religion or become some other religion. You can't. Because it doesn't exist and your false equivalence is bullshit. How can you stand living here?
whathehell
(29,113 posts)Political Correctness truly running amok.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Soon as all the religious books get classified as hate speech around the world we will be good!
patsimp
(915 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)book of Luke chapter 19 verse 27
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
highmindedhavi
(355 posts)seems Jesus was telling a story, not giving orders or instructions.
patsimp
(915 posts)believing in these calls to convert by force of death?
whathehell
(29,113 posts)A. The Same. B. Bad
It's been going on for years here. Pay no attention.
patsimp
(915 posts)and slaughter because they believe rewards will come in the afterlife. How evil is a person that is willing to inflict this for personal gain (imaginary as it is but they're too stupid to understand that).
TipTok
(2,474 posts)whathehell
(29,113 posts)But please give my best to yours.
Alittleliberal
(528 posts)patsimp
(915 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)National borders are also a common denominator-- those same borders being equally imaginary as religion, that same imaginary construct so amny tell us is worth dying for...
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)It's grossly unfair to tar other religions with the same brush as Islam.
Response to Elmergantry (Original post)
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Dorian Gray
(13,538 posts)fault for wearing a mini-skirt and heels?
Blame the victim much?
patsimp
(915 posts)and where it originates from.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I can't believe your victim shamming on a democratic site.
whathehell
(29,113 posts)Blaming "Christians" for this savagery?...You really DO like a challenge, don't you?
Keep trying.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)dembotoz
(16,866 posts)Elmergantry
(884 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)This ranges from out right tragedies like this action to them losing special privileges in the United States. Conservative writers have written whole books about how Christians in America are targeted for persecution because they aren't allowed to pray in public meetings (for example) or they aren't allowed to say Merry Christmas.
Those books sell, because Christians like to fancy that they are heroic, and suffering under persecution sounds more heroic than going to church and being Republican.
That's not to say that every example of persecution is bullshit; obviously there are some examples of it in the states, and more examples world wide; but it needs to be put into perspective.
Bryant
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)So it's not surprising that you would want to see them persecuted.
Obviously as a Christian I have a different perspective.
Bryant
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Or is this just another pathetic attempt to CYA.
What I do despise are liars and hypocrites. Especially those that intentionally misrepresent others in a childish attempt to make themselves feel good.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Or is it not enough to say that the American Christian Persecution complex is 99% bullshit; I have to definitively say that there are no examples of Christians ever being persecuted in the United States in, say, the last 10 years?
Does that seem likely to you?
Bryant
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)But instead decided to intentionally misrepresent me and launch a personal attack..
You stay classy.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I take it you aren't prepared to defend the theory that there are no justifiable examples of Christians being persecuted ever?
Bryant
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)And continue to stay classy.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)The one where you clearly were implying that I had argued that the Christian Persecution complex was a real thing? Yes I guess you are right; my response was flippant - I should have just responded to your attack directly instead of mocking it.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Elmergantry
(884 posts)The Oregon shooter sought out Christians...
But generally, it is true Christians are not being persecuted in the US. In other parts of the world it is a different case.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Christians are actually being persecuted
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Your post is ridiculous and you shoukd self delete.
sub.theory
(652 posts)When Christians are being raped and beheaded for being Christians THEY REALLY ARE BEING PERSECUTED. It doesn't get anymore clear cut. Good grief. The hatred of some of you for innocent Chrustians is truly disturbing.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)humanity will never change
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Not enough support "Christian Aid Mission" you want to 'spread the word', build churches and convert 'indigious people' in other countries to your religion?
Your ORG. should have brought the entire small group (your org started) to a safer location and supported them financially. It is not right to spread the word, convert people, pay to build churches and then abandon them to the wolves in their own country!!
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)These people have their own nonsensical mythologies.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)Even in da USA random Muslims and those mistaken as Muslim have been assaulted and even murdered by good God fearing American Christians
The problem is religion, all religion
Shandris
(3,447 posts)Also, those who follow the Great Spirit, shamans of the Animal Totems. Why, we need to execute all of them, those damn religions.
*tips fedora*
Or maybe we could, you know, not be religious in our zeal to wipe out religion, neh?
YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)And let them run your life
I don't care just dont complain when someone who does not worship like you so kills you over it
sub.theory
(652 posts)A regular Mahatma Ghandi you are. Oh wait, he was a devout Hindu. Well you are at least an Isaac Newton then. Oh wait he was a devout Christian. Oh bother. These horrible religious types making the world such an awful place...
P.S. I'm laughing at how utterly foolish you are.
YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)Books
The good exceptions are few and far between currently and in history
sub.theory
(652 posts)Your glorious atheist utopia hasn't worked out so well either. Don't let those inconvenient historical facts get in the way of your raging atheist superiority complex, though. You have The One Real Truth, right?! The irony is choking.
YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)Stalin was also good Christian boy was even gonna be a priest
We can go tit for tat all day long and the score card for religious butchery will exceed any non religious examples you may come up with
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Civilian casualties be damned. This group cannot be allowed to survive.
rockfordfile
(8,712 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)This is what we call a "war crime."
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)to Auschwitz. Those who live in the Islamic state are little more than slaves. Women are being sold in slave markets.
It isn't humanitarian to allow this group to survive longer than necessary.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Gotcha.
Besides, it's not like collateral damage against civilians has ever driven people to join terrorist groups!
Elmergantry
(884 posts)But ISIS needs to know that hding behind womens skirts will not save them.
Dorian Gray
(13,538 posts)bc who gives a shit about civilian casualties? : :
Look, I know that ISIS is shockingly horrible. They need to be stopped. But....
When the solution is as bad as the problem, the solution SUCKS!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)We can all thank George W Bush and Darth Cheney for unleashing those filthy murdering scum on the world!
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)And Hassan al-Banna?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_al-Banna
Iggo
(47,603 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)And some still want to give radical Islamist murders and rapists a pass because Christian did it too. Yeah Christians raped and pillaged...just not in 2015 like ISIS is doing. :I