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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 07:58 AM Sep 2015

Trump just announced something I hadn't heard before ...

That "lots of people say" there is a clause in the Iran nuclear deal that the US and the other parties to the deal must defend Iran should they be attacked, including Israel.

He dumped that on the Morning Joe Show and not one of the 6 people sitting around the table giggling asked him a single question on the statement.

So I went to the google and found this:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/252643-trump-nuclear-deal-forces-us-to-defend-iran-against-israel

Reportage; but, no attempt at verifying the statement.

What gives? I really can't believe the US would attack Israel; nor, can I believe that this would not have been raised, if not by Israel, itself, by any of the congress folks panning the deal.

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Trump just announced something I hadn't heard before ... (Original Post) 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 OP
If Trump said the sky was Blue.. trumad Sep 2015 #1
If Israel launches an unprovoked attack on Iran we should attack them bowens43 Sep 2015 #2
You're jesting, right? Kind of like how Israel bombed us for our unprovoked attack on Iraq? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #10
It is an interesting hypothetical. no_hypocrisy Sep 2015 #3
a) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #21
That's just Trump being Trump... PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #4
Okay, thanks ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #12
you can bet trump has NOT seen the deal spanone Sep 2015 #5
That's got to be Trump misreading something. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #6
"lots of people say" is GOP speak for 'I am making this up' YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #7
Oh yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #8
Fact-checking Trump? jberryhill Sep 2015 #9
The media are trolling for ratings. At some point, it meant scoring interviews with Kim K. Mass Sep 2015 #11
It's death panels again. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #13
Again ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #14
Nope, as chuck Todd explained, that's not their job. JoePhilly Sep 2015 #19
the link tells us nothing lame54 Sep 2015 #15
Yeah. I know. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #17
"lots of people say" is on par with "I read somewhere" yellowcanine Sep 2015 #16
If this were true we would have heard about from Netanyahu and Cotton . . . brush Sep 2015 #18
Such "journalism" nobody asked him to be more specific as to where book_worm Sep 2015 #20
Because he was very specific ... the mega, and all knowing, scholar ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #22
Silly IMO. mmonk Sep 2015 #23

no_hypocrisy

(46,094 posts)
3. It is an interesting hypothetical.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:08 AM
Sep 2015

If Israel went rogue and unilaterally attacked the nuclear sites in Iran, would this country:

A) do nothing and watch from the sidelines,
B) back up Israel when Iran responds, or
C) defend Iran as the treaty more or less allows Iran to have these facilities for the term of the Treaty?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
4. That's just Trump being Trump...
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:10 AM
Sep 2015

The only related clause I'm aware of is the one concerning helping Iran defend its facilities through
training courses or workshops, see:
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/iran/deal-would-help-iran-defend-nuclear-facilities-against-sabotage/2015/07/22/

Summary of the deal: http://www.voltairenet.org/article181178.html
Full text (.pdf): https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2165399/full-text-of-the-iran-nuclear-deal.pdf

Nuclear Security
E3/EU+3 parties, and possibly other states, as appropriate, are prepared to cooperate
with Iran on the implementation of nuclear security guidelines and best practices.
Cooperation in the following areas can be envisaged:

Cooperation in the form of training courses and workshops to strengthen Iran's ability
to prevent, protect and respond to nuclear security threats to nuclear facilities and
systems as well as to enable effective and sustainable nuclear security and physical
protection systems;

Cooperation through training and workshops to strengthen Iran’s ability to protect
against, and respond to nuclear security threats, including sabotage, as well as to
enable effective and sustainable nuclear security and physical protection systems.


 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
12. Okay, thanks ...
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:20 AM
Sep 2015

But my rantishness was more about the that none of the 6 "news" folks sitting paused from giggling long enough to say, "wait ... What?"

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
6. That's got to be Trump misreading something.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:12 AM
Sep 2015

The most we'd ever do to Israel even for unprovoked attacks on other countries is issue a Sternly Worded Letter.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
8. Oh yeah ...
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:15 AM
Sep 2015

He, also, announced that should an independent candidate win the General Election, that independent candidate would, then have to be voted into office by majorities in the House and the Senate.

And again, the 6 "journalistic commentators" giggled ... while my 8th grade Civics teacher (R.I.P.) screamed from her grave, for so mis-informing her pupils.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
11. The media are trolling for ratings. At some point, it meant scoring interviews with Kim K.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:19 AM
Sep 2015

These days, it means showing Trump again and again without any comment.

I would expect that from most of the people on Morning J., but I was really disappointed by Jamelle Bouie who is normally a fairly astute guy. His comment on how people supporting Trump were everywhere from liberal to ultra-conservative were stupid:

a/ Being liberal is in the beholder's eye in these polls
b/ Given the number of liberals in a republican poll, how can it be meaningful
c/ Racism is spread across the ideological spectrum and if there is one thing that Trump's supporters have in common, it is racist tendencies (see PPP poll).
That Castellanos and the blond reporter (cant remember her name) were the ones making the point while Ignatius said nothing and all of them acclaimed Trump for having made exactly the same statement as Bush on K. Davis and a lot less than Graham is surprising.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. Again ...
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 08:57 AM
Sep 2015

It's more about the "Silly 6", sitting around giggling ... No one put down the joint long enough to say, "Wait! What? ... This is breaking news."

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
19. Nope, as chuck Todd explained, that's not their job.
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:12 AM
Sep 2015

Come on, lie, we won't call you out.

We'll smile and nod.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
16. "lots of people say" is on par with "I read somewhere"
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:06 AM
Sep 2015

and worth about as much. Trump ate some spicy food and had a vivid dream about it for all we know.

brush

(53,776 posts)
18. If this were true we would have heard about from Netanyahu and Cotton . . .
Fri Sep 4, 2015, 09:10 AM
Sep 2015

and the rest of the repugs when Netanyahu spoke to Congress — we would have heard about thru megaphones.

Trump is exaggerating again.

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