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Kurska

(5,739 posts)
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:11 PM Sep 2015

As rough as jail may seem, here are some key things to keep in mind

1. No one is trying to force her to violate her religious beliefs, even if she deeply believes granting a same sex marriage would violate her religious beliefs, she can always resign.
2. The judge isn't demanding she personally grant marriages, he said she could get out by instructing her staff to do it.
3. She divorced 3 times. If another judge had rejected her divorce on religious grounds, would she have found that fair? She has benefited from secularism 3 times, yet she refuses to grant that to other people.
4. She is instructing her ENTIRE office to not give same sex marriages. It isn't just about her, it is about her attempting to use her power to run a government institution according to her religious beliefs.

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As rough as jail may seem, here are some key things to keep in mind (Original Post) Kurska Sep 2015 OP
She just couldn't get the "Render unto Ceasar part" of the bible.. Historic NY Sep 2015 #1
Or the part about "judge not lest ye be judged" Warpy Sep 2015 #11
Judge says she will stay in jail until she agrees to his order. napi21 Sep 2015 #2
It's a shame a democrat has to go to jail dumbcat Sep 2015 #4
Not all Democrats are good or sane. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2015 #5
You're kidding, right? She's one of those DINOs. There are very few real Nay Sep 2015 #8
I don't think she considers herself a Dem. anymore. napi21 Sep 2015 #13
She refused to obey a court order el_bryanto Sep 2015 #3
Yup! Bryant. Pretty simple. longship Sep 2015 #7
It is just that simple. hifiguy Sep 2015 #10
Let her look at the bright side - - Laf.La.Dem. Sep 2015 #6
Would a Truckers' Wallet be an appropriate wedding gift? PeoViejo Sep 2015 #9
She is also violating the tenets of her own fundy church. mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #12
Thanks for this! phylny Sep 2015 #14

Warpy

(111,383 posts)
11. Or the part about "judge not lest ye be judged"
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:56 PM
Sep 2015

She certainly hasn't read the bits about divorce and adultery being committed on remarriage afterward.

She's a typical Cafeteria Christian whose only exercise of her religion seems to be to bully other people into following the parts she finds convenient.

And, as the OP pointed out, she's only issuing civil licenses, not performing the religious marriage part of it. Perhaps she needs to leave that sort of discretion up to her preacher.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
2. Judge says she will stay in jail until she agrees to his order.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:15 PM
Sep 2015

She said "I will NEVER AGREE TO THAT!" Have a good time behind those bars tootsie.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
8. You're kidding, right? She's one of those DINOs. There are very few real
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:26 PM
Sep 2015

Democrats who'd pull the shit she's been pulling.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
13. I don't think she considers herself a Dem. anymore.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 05:34 PM
Sep 2015

I read a report somewhere (sorry I don't remember where) that when her FIL died, she was completely reborn into the church. Apparently that absolves her of her 4 mariages, out of wedlock sex, etc. I bet if yu asked her now, she would claim her membership in the Dem. Party went the way of her prior bad behavior.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
3. She refused to obey a court order
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:15 PM
Sep 2015

Seems open and shut to me. Set aside the issue of whether she should do her job or not (she clearly should and she should be removed from office if she refuses to do so) - if a Judge orders you to do something you have to do it. Allowing someone to refuse to obey a judge would be a terrible precedent, no matter what the justification.

Bryant

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
10. It is just that simple.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:41 PM
Sep 2015

You do NOT, under any circumstances, look at an order from a federal judge and tell the judge, in effect, to stick his order where the monkey put the nuts. And that is what she did. Have fun in the Big House, Kimmy.

Laf.La.Dem.

(2,946 posts)
6. Let her look at the bright side - -
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 03:22 PM
Sep 2015

She may find true love in jail (or even husband number 4 or 5 or whatever)

mnhtnbb

(31,409 posts)
12. She is also violating the tenets of her own fundy church.
Thu Sep 3, 2015, 04:05 PM
Sep 2015

See my thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027136238

A rabbi did a little research--into the Statement of Faith from the Apostolic Christian Church--
and it instructs its members to obey government.

Huh. Pretty obvious something else is going on here than just her pretense of "following God".

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