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UPDATE:
Rosie O'Donnell's 17-year-old daughter Chelsea has been found, she announced on Twitter on Tuesday evening, hours after announcing that she was missing.
"Chelsea has been found and is safe in police custody -- thank u all for the help and light #missingchildren," she wrote late Tuesday.
O'Donnell's rep also told ABC News that Rosie wants to thank everyone for their help, especially the South Nyack, N.Y., and Barnegat Light, N.J., police departments."
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/rosie-odonnell-daughter-chelsea-found/story?id=33158499
Chelsea O'Donnell was last seen a week ago, the TV personality said in a post to her website. She said the girl "stopped taking her medicine and is in need of medical attention," and was last seen with her therapy dog.
Police were looking for Chelsea O'Donnell in the New York suburbs. Rosie O'Donnell has a home in Nyack, police there said.
"Chelsea, like millions of people, lives with mental illness," said Cindi Berger, a spokeswoman for Rosie O'Donnell. "It has been a difficult road for Chelsea and her family and they just want her back safe."
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Anyone with information on the girl's whereabouts was asked to call 845-358-0206
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rosie-odonnell-says-her-17-year-old-daughter-chelsea-missing-n411846
Hopefully she'll be found soon now that the word is getting out.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)herding cats
(19,564 posts)She knows they're going to pick apart this incident with a fine-toothed comb, and give fodder to those who hate her out there. She must be out of her mind with worry to take this to the public like she has. I doubt she'd even consider it unless all the known possibilities were already checked and rechecked.
I hope her daughter is found safe and soon.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)There will be plenty who will try and use this against Rosie and those working for equality. Hopefully involving the media will help find Chelsea.
CincyDem
(6,355 posts)...this is where he would stand up and use his public microphone to say "Rosie and I have had our differences but family is family and my hope is that she and her daughter will be quickly and safely reunited. Anyone who has information about her whereabouts should take a moment and contact the Nyack police".
That's what a leader would do. That's what someone even half human would do.
Of course for Trumper - that's off in the 9th dimension and the chances of this happening are a little lower than me whooping LeBron in a game of half court one-on-one. Ain't gonna happen.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)He did wish her well after her heart attack. Although running for president now, who knows.
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)He will gloat how he has nothing to explain or apologize for in the remarks he made about Rosie. It will be all downhill from there. He is too much of a lowfife even for the radical RWnuts.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Is this an emotional therapy dog...? Is she developmentally disabled? What?
herding cats
(19,564 posts)That's a personal matter and I hope her daughter doesn't suffer media attacks for just that being said.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Then not so much.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)Her mother did because she was worried about her. I can respect the daughter's privacy and the mother's concern for her daughter both at the same time. In other words, the details of the daughter's illness are hers to keep until, and if, she should chose to discuss them in public.
Now we should just be glad she is fine and wasn't in harms way.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Pardon my candor, but this kind of celebrity shit just ain't right.
If I needed you ...
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Rosie's kind, which is my kind, because you instantly post a video of a famous person, but a white male straight famous person, the kind you approve of apparently.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Xithras
(16,191 posts)There was a flap not all that long ago when the bio-mother accused O'Donnell of "stealing" her baby, because she was an addict and therefore unable to understand the implications of giving her kid away (BS IMHO). Back when that was in the press, there was a suggestion that the daughter may have some issues stemming from her biological mothers drug use during the pregnancy.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)It's tough to be born with biological stuff stacked against you when it likely could be avoided.
I appreciate that Rosie is willing to take on these tough cases and just help and love those kids.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)We don't know that she was born with challenges stemming from her mother's drug use.
And I don't think Rosie "took on a tough case"--she took another woman's child so that she could enjoy the parenting experience.
If she wanted to "help" she could have helped to keep children with their blood relatives and natural mothers.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)If the mother can't manage her addiction then she may not be able to care for a baby, either. Do we know what shape this woman was in and if she was capable of parenting? And mothers can't breastfeed with certain drugs in their system, especially if a child is premature or has other high-risk issues at birth.
I've witnessed the neglect of a drug-addicted mother to two children, one of which nearly died in a hot car, was taken to drug buys, and the other from complications of her mother's drug use while pregnant. She neglected her kids, abdicated her responsibilities to others to "do her thing" and refused treatment over and over, including while pregnant and afterwards.
I'm not going to smear someone who takes on the hard job of parenting someone else's child when they give up that child.
And BTW, I've never been a big fan of Rosie.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)And just because you can coerce or trick a woman into signing something, that doesn't mean that she gave her child up. A lot of birth parents never intended to give their children up, and that certainly includes the REAL mother of Rosie's stolen child.
If a woman has a drug problem that cannot be fixed, there are ways of dealing with that. It starts with loss of custody and eventually may even include a TPR. There is a system. It is not OK to get a woman who is under the influence of drugs or alcohol to sign something, because a woman under the influence CANNOT GRANT CONSENT. And being under the influence, and not understanding what you are doing at the time of the adoption, does not equate with being an unfit parent in the long-term.
Even having a drug problem does not automatically call for the loss of your child--and it certainly doesn't entitle someone to steal your child because they think that they are more deserving.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Looks to me like it wasn't. Did the OB report her to the state? My guess is that it is required in Wisconsin and NJ as well. Did the OB set the meeting between them? Did the lawyers not know the law on adoption? Perhaps your anger should be directed at others in the process, not just the adoptive family.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)wasn't working and so all options are on the table?
Why wasn't the system working? Because the mother of the child that Rosie coveted had not had her daughter taken away forever? Maybe the system did work because Deanna (Kayla's real mom) did nothing to warrant a TPR so there wasn't one. In any event, it is never OK to short circuit the process with a coerced adoption.
This was not a woman under investigation. This was a case of a scheming adoption agency and a scheming prospective adoptive parent managing to get a woman's signature on something they knew she didn't want to sign.
And not much is required in order to do an adoption, not even an appearance in a courtroom in some states. As long as the PAPs have done a home study, often all you need is to get the signature of the mom--with no protections for her at all. No counseling, no court appearance (in some places) and no time afterwards to rescind, in case there was coercion or fraud.
I am angry at everyone involved in this de facto kidnapping: the system that allowed it, the abusive husband who maneuvered it, the corrupt adoption agency that facilitated it and the greedy PAPs who paid for it.
Kayla turns 18 on August 24. Hopefully she can reunite with her real mom and all her blood relatives at that point. It is a tragedy that she was ever stolen from them.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)when she "signed."
If a woman has such a bad drug problem that she cannot parent, there is a court-sanctioned mechanism to deal with that. TPR happens some times, but it must be handled by the courts--not a ruthless adoption agency or desperate prospective adoptive parents. No one has the right to unilaterally declare by fiat that someone is an unfit parent and so they deserve to lose their child, however it happens.
This poor woman was from Wisconsin and taken away to New Jersey, where she was completely isolated from her family and the people who knew her and loved her. This should come as no surprise, however, since it is the standard operating practice of the adoption industry. Sadly, adoption agencies and PAPs do this stuff all the time.
And there is no evidence that the broader family had problems and could not have helped--we only know that she was isolated from them.
Kayla's (Chelsea's) father should be ashamed of himself for conspiring to not only abandon his child, but to effectively steal her from a loving mother so that he could be free from his responsibilities and so that Rosie O'Donnel could play house with someone else's child.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)StevieM
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CANNOT GRANT CONSENT.
It is not the fault of Kayla's mother that she was deceived and defrauded by Rosie O'Donnell, her own husband and a ruthless adoption agency.
Kayla and her REAL mom are victims of all these people. I just pray that some day Kayla (Chelsea) can recover from what was done to her by Rosie and company.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)You seem to be making an awful lot of assumptions about what was best for this child.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)then CPS could have stepped in. The courts are responsible for facilitating a TPR, not Rosie O'Donnell or any other entitled PAP.
Instead what happened was that Kayla's mom, who was not even thinking about adoption, was brought from Wisconsin to New Jersey and isolated from everyone she knew and loved. This is the modus operandi for the adoption industry and manipulative PAPs like Rosie.
Yes, I assume that Kayla was best off being with her blood relatives and her natural mother. And I definitely think she was best off not being stolen from her loving mom.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Because her "rights" are the only relevant factor.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)to doing so. Instead, Rosie and a ruthless adoption agency intervened. And they did so for their own selfish reasons. Rosie didn't love Kayla the way her REAL mom loved her--she just wanted to play house with another woman's child.
And yes, Kayla has rights too, and they are a relevant factor. Kayla had the right to remain with her blood relatives and her loving mom, rather than being stolen and raised by genetic strangers.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)You apparently have some information the rest of us don't regarding the biological mother. What was her profession? Was she an addict of some sort or did she just not want the child? After all, Rosie just wanted to enjoy all the bliss that accompanies raising a fetal alcohol baby like my adopted nephew. Please, share your information so that the rest of us can minimize Ms. O'Donnell's adoption of this child.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)to serve her own needs, not those of the kids. Adoptive parents are not heroes who selflessly saved a child's life. They are people who, in most cases, desperately wanted a child and saw an opportunity. The child rarely comes from an unloving mother who wants out. Often it comes from a woman who was coerced, or at best was in dire circumstances and forced to accept a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
In the case of Kayla, it was blatant fraud. The woman's husband wanted to get rid of the baby and so he took her to New Jersey, isolated her from everyone she knew and loved, got her got her high and tricked her into signing something she did not want to sign. The adoption agency happily went along with it (and possibly advised it), and Rosie got to go home with the child that she coveted--another woman's baby.
There is no evidence that she was a drug addict or unfit to parent. And if she was then that matter should have gone through CPS and the courts. People can't simply declare by fiat that a woman deserves to lose her child. Rosie and the adoption agency had no right to steal this child from a loving and devoted mother.
Here are the links you asked for:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/rosie-o-donnell-stole-adopted-daughter-biological-mom-article-1.2161637
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3011256/Biological-mother-Rosie-O-Donnell-s-eldest-daughter-claims-Rosie-STOLE-baby-comedian-knew-addicted-heroin-unable-agree-adoption.html
Xithras
(16,191 posts)I generally don't respond to anti-adoption commentary because I consider it a stupid position that isn't worth debating, but I have to point out that you just blatantly contradicted yourself.
First you said "There is no evidence that she was a drug addict or unfit to parent."
And then you proceeded to link to a Daily Mail article in which the mother flat out admits that she was a long term heroin junkie who was in and out of jail.
Nobody tricked this woman or forced her to sign her kid away. She chose to be a junkie, chose to use drugs, and then chose to give up her daughter. The argument that she shouldn't be held responsible for actions she took while under the influence is the same argument that drunk date rapists and drivers make. You don't get to waive responsibility for your actions simply because YOU CHOSE to consume drugs or alcohol.
And, quite frankly, if all it took was a few bucks and some drugs to get her to sign over her kid, that alone proves that she was unfit to parent.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Having a criminal record does not mean you have no right to your own children.
The mother was 20 years old at the time of the coerced adoption. The fact that she had a history with drugs does not make her "a long time junkie."
And if she was a junkie, or a danger to her daughter, there is a court process to remove the child from her custody and perhaps even issue a TPR. Neither you nor Rosie have the right to unilaterally make that declaration by fiat.
The argument made by the mother was that she was under the influence AT THE TIME THAT SHE SIGNED. A woman under the influence cannot grant consent. The mother has said that she did not know what she was doing when she signed and that she had never intended to give her daughter up for adoption. (Perhaps that wasn't mentioned in the first link, to the Daily Mail, but there were multiple articles on this matter).
And I don't agree that if you are drunk or high that you deserve whatever happens to you as a result of actions that you took--or that were taken against you--at the time. Do I have the right to get a girl drunk and then sleep with her when she doesn't understand what is going on?
In this case, I think the husband probably got her stoned so that he could get her to sign. He knew that there was no other way she would ever sign the papers. Again, this was not a woman looking for an adoption. Her husband took her from Wisconsin to New Jersey to isolate her from everyone she knew and loved. That is the Modus Operandi of the adoption industry. I think this was planned way in advance, and I do suspect that Rosie had a good idea of what was going on.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)and Rosie knew she was affected by drugs, then that means Rosie stole her baby IMO.
I wouldn't put something like that past Rosie O'Donnell. She and her brother are leading opponents of the efforts to keep original birth certificates sealed in NY. They want to deny Rosie's adoptive children the right to their own birth records and the story of their origins.
Atman
(31,464 posts)She checks into the Millennium Hilton for a few days.
Look, I'm not trying to make light of this. Really. But it's not like your kid or my kid has "gone missing." Chelsea probably had her own Amex Black Card.
That said, I certainly hope Chelsea is re-united with her mom asap.
JI7
(89,248 posts)Her medication.
dsc
(52,161 posts)well before announcing it to the press.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)She was a junkie who blames Rosie for stealing her baby. I think she did an interview saying Rosie's daughter hates Rosie now that she knows.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)eom
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)but, you never know!
StevieM
(10,500 posts)that decision, given that she and her brother are tireless opponents of the efforts to unseal original birth certificates and give adoptees access to the records of their birth.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)but I'm with you on this one.
These rich kids that "go missing"...
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)OBVIOUSLY Rosie knows that her kids have advantages and options (like credit card/hotel) that OUR kids don't. Chelsea was missing for a week before there was anything reported on the media. Rosie must have known that Chelsea could have just holed up somewhere. But when the girl can't be contacted or found she is just as much a concerned parent going through hell like every other parent!
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Just like every kid that gets into trouble right? The elite need us more than we need them.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)vankuria
(904 posts)according to NBC news, she's ok and no other details offered other than she suffers from a mental illness.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)I'll update the OP.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)As fucking if we the people get this special treatment when our kin go astray.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Good news! k&r
Hope she gets help.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)All that matters is that we care for those we care for.
Who do you love???
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Hopefully she gets the care that she needs.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Rosie stole her from.