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(45,806 posts)There are lots of things Catholics disagree with the Church about. Birth control is probably the biggest one. I honestly don't know any catholic women who HAVEN'T used BC. I'm not gay, but our government isn't ruled by the laws of ANY church! People have to get that in their heads!
StevieM
(10,500 posts)I dated a Catholic when I was in college and she was on birth control. Sometimes I really wonder if people don't realize that they have the freewill to believe what they want instead of what they are told to believe.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)you also prop up the institution and individuals such as Francis and his Bishops that constantly deliver this anti gay crap. The leadership said terrible things about the SCOTUS decision. Why stand with them at all?
Telling me that you don't really agree with the bigoted parts just tells me you are a hypocrite who is not honest about 'sacred things' and thus is not likely to be honest about other things either. "See, I'm a vegan but I don't agree with Vegan leadership that beef is meat so like most Vegans, I eat beef!!!"
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm a big fan of both equality and the separation of Church and State.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Doctrine of the Faith. An annoying minority of all the Catholics who set the rules, have the spotlight and claim be in charge.
I would say that if Catholics do not agree with the annoying Francis, they might stop calling him 'Most Holy Father' and all of that even as he spews about gay people being from Satan, even as he hosts events with Family Research Council and NOM.
The fact that you don't believe it but you still want to prop it up and make others hear that hateful crap is not a good thing, it's not better than you don't believe it, it is worse that you stand with them and tell them you believe, then come here and say 'but we are really with you'. Do I trust that? No, I don't.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and proclaim that real Catholics support marriage equality but later they will be singing the praises of the Pope and his chorus of Bishops as being world leaders of progressive thought.
US conference of Bishops on equality:
Regardless of what a narrow majority of the Supreme Court may declare at this moment in history, the nature of the human person and marriage remains unchanged and unchangeable. Just as Roe v. Wade did not settle the question of abortion over forty years ago, Obergefell v. Hodges does not settle the question of marriage today. Neither decision is rooted in the truth, and as a result, both will eventually fail. Today the Court is wrong again. It is profoundly immoral and unjust for the government to declare that two people of the same sex can constitute a marriage.
The unique meaning of marriage as the union of one man and one woman is inscribed in our bodies as male and female. The protection of this meaning is a critical dimension of the integral ecology that Pope Francis has called us to promote. Mandating marriage redefinition across the country is a tragic error that harms the common good and most vulnerable among us, especially children.....
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2015/06/united-states-catholic-bishops-statement-on-gay-marriage-decision/
That poster says 'annoying' as if that absolves it all.
Boomerproud
(7,983 posts)The same people who had an ad out back in 2012 insinuating Ann Dunham Obama (a SINGLE mother) would have had an abortion if she would have had a chance. That one didn't work either.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I'm beyond thrilled that gay marriage is legal. Not that I'm gay, although I do have my share of gay friends.
Oh, should I mention that I'm divorced? Because the opponents of gay marriage would have you believe that heterosexual marriages are all wonderful. Hah!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)A majority of lay Catholics are pro marriage equality and nominally pro choice.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)They will line the streets cheering for him and each cheer legitimizes his bigoted teachings. Unless they make their views known, those views do not really exist.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)I don't know...I'm not a Catholic...I belong to the United Church Of Christ which has been open and affirming for years.
I do know many Catholics express their disapproval of Catholic doctrine on choice and sexuality by voting for pro marriage equality and pro choice candidates and practicing birth control in their own lives...
As to starting a movement I would suggest Catholics start talking to their priests...