"He wanted the Glock .45-caliber 'because he was small and and needed to protect himself'..."

[Surya Gayatri]

The loner who allegedly shot nine people dead at a church in Charleston told friends that he wanted the gun he used in the massacre because he needed to protect himself. Dylann Roof asked for the Glock .45-caliber model 41 - which had a laser sighting on it - from his father for his 21st birthday in April because he was small and ‘didn’t feel that he could fight back’.

Friends also revealed that two days before the massacre Dylann showed them a bag stuffed with magazines of bullets he would use in the shooting and said: ‘Look at all my magazines!’

Protection: Dylann Roof, who allegedly shot nine people dead at a church in Charleston, told friends that he wanted the gun he used in the massacre because he needed to protect himself

Looking back, the Meek brothers admit that there were warning signs but they didn’t think Dylann was serious, even though he spewed out racist insults and called for racial segregation.


Accused Charleston killer Dylann Roof was staying with friends in a mobile home park in Red Bank, SC in the weeks before the massacre

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3135256/Inside-trailer-Dylann-Roof-living-hid-Glock-floor-days-Charleston-church-massacre-telling-friends-gun-small-needed-protect-himself.html

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Too bad he didn't use his birthday money to sign up for some body-building or marital arts classes at the local 'Y' instead. Looks like it would have done him a power of good.

Unfortunately for those nine victims, he chose the easy way. Less effort just to swing over to the local gun emporium and pick up a handgun, if you're feeling vulnerable and inadequate.

[Eric J in MN]

1. How did he pass the background test for a gun while facing felony drug charges? NT

NT

[Lindsay]

5. As I understand it,

if he had been found guilty of the charges, he would not have been legally able to buy the gun. But because the charges were still pending, the purchase was legal. Innocent until proven guilty, basically.

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. Actually, a felony indictment is sufficient to prohibit a gun sale with background check

You don't have to be found guilty.

The test is whether the charge could reasonably lead to a sentence of longer than 1 year, as is the case for most felonies by definition.

[Surya Gayatri]

6. But, but, the background check-system is failproof, don't cha know?

[hack89]

24. The biggest problem with the background check system

is the states providing critical data in a timely manner. Some states are much better at it than others but there are big gaps in the database. The data is useless if it doesn't get into the system.

[Surya Gayatri]

35. Well, yeah. What good is all of the data in the world if it

doesn't get to the end user?

[Eric J in MN]

8. Update: It turns out that he was only facing misdemeanor drug charges.

I had previously read that he was indicted for felony drug charges, but that information was incorrect.

[onehandle]

2. 'because he needed to protect himself'

The mantra of activist gun loons. There is an endless supply of these dangerous nuts.

[Surya Gayatri]

3. And some of them are masquerading as liberal Democrats right on this board.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

23. "activist gun loons. There is an endless supply of these dangerous nuts"

That's your opinion of any woman that wants to protect herself? They're all just making it up because they're unstable? No such thing as rape? No such thing as stalkers?

[onehandle]

25. Guns are so protectery of peoples.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026871805

[Nuclear Unicorn]

31. Lies, damned lies and statistics from Controllers

The bogus chart you linked to only accounts DGUs resulting in the death of the attacker but DGUs also result in injury, apprehensions or simply scaring off the attacker.

You need to recognize women have the right -- like anyone -- to self-defense. And even if you refuse to recognize it they will still exercise it.

[onehandle]

34. Gun nuttery is so womany.

Must be all the pink and flowers associated with it.

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[Nuclear Unicorn]

37. In other words you can't defend the bogus stats so you resort to the usual MO of insults.

[onehandle]

47. I'm sorry. Is that a friend of yours?

I apologize to you, your friend, and the bogusness of data that frightens gun nuttery so much that the NRA's congress forbids the gubberment to collect statistics on guns.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

50. Is that how you play your silly games? Then this must be a friend of yours --

NRA's congress forbids the gubberment to collect statistics on guns.

Another Controller falsehood. The DOJ collects statistics and has for decades.

[onehandle]

52. You must be new to the Internets. First link that came up...

How Congress Blocked Research on Gun Violence

After the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, calls for gun-control legislation have begun. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said on NBC's Meet the Press that she plans to introduce a bill to ban assault weapons. Even West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, who calls himself a gun supporter, says he sees no reason for these types of weapons.

But as Congress considers new laws, the scientific research we need to craft the best policies is in short supply. This is by design.

In the 1990s, politicians backed by the NRA attacked researchers for publishing data on firearm research. For good measure, they also went after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for funding the research. According to the NRA, such science is not “legitimate.” To make sure federal agencies got the message, Rep. Jay Dickey (R-Ark.) sponsored an amendment that stripped $2.6 million from the CDC’s budget, the exact amount it had spent on firearms research the previous year.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/12/gun_violence_research_nra_and_congress_blocked_gun_control_studies_at_cdc.html

[Nuclear Unicorn]

54. The DOJ has been collecting stats for decades. It's known as the Unified Crime Report.

But Controllers aren't happy with those numbers because they don't support the narrative so they want to keep recounting until they get the numbers they like -- such as the bogus graphic you previously posted.

[sarisataka]

39. So you must agree with this statement

made about a woman murdered by her ex while patiently waiting for NJ police to act on the gun purchase permit

she chose not to exercise other options, or plan ahead to arm herself earlier, or maybe not date that asshole in the first place,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=168313
... make poor dating choice, suffer the consequence i.e. murder

[LeftyMom]

45. Make your own fucking argument and leave us out of it.

Guns aren't a solution to relationship violence generally or rape in particular.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

46. "Guns aren't a solution to relationship violence generally or rape in particular."

More of a solution than just lying there and taking it.

My right to self-defense does not impinge on your right to not own a gun.

[LeftyMom]

49. Most rape occurs in the context of an existing relationship of some sort.

Real human beings who aren't deeply fucked up aren't really wired to kill people they know with zero notice.

The notion that guns are a solution to rape is based in very misguided (and often racialized) media depictions of stranger rape. It does no service to real victims, and does real harm, as in your offensive suggestion about "lying back and taking it."

Make your own argument. Leave us out of it.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

53. "Most rapes" isn't all rapes. Women have the right to choose the best means of self-defense.

It does no service to real victims, and does real harm

Such as?

in your offensive suggestion about "lying back and taking it."

That is the expectation. If it stings its only because the point struck true.

I have yet to find a Controller who argues in favor of waiting for the police to arrive and intervene before the rapist can act. I have also asked plenty of the Controllers here if they recognize a woman's right to defend herself against a rapist. So far the silence has been deafening.

[Orsino]

30. A piece of the standard right-wing victimhood narrative.

"I might become a victim, so I need to do what I was going to do anyway."

[Electric Monk]

4. Am I seeing things, or does he have multiple scars horizontaly on his chest?

Most noticeable under his right nipple, but I see some on the other side as well.

[Surya Gayatri]

7. Looks more like five nail marks to me?

Or, is that some kind of RW hate-group initiation marking?

[leveymg]

62. His father had pierced nipples. Pain: A Roof family trait. n/t

There's a back story to that family.

[Surya Gayatri]

64. The whole sorry saga is sure to come out once the trial starts.

[ileus]

9. Typical glock owner.

[Surya Gayatri]

10. Is there a required profile to become a member of the Glock club?

Who knew?

[ileus]

11. You have to have a big ego and join the "There's only one gun" club.

One of the main reasons I don't own a glock.

[Surya Gayatri]

12. Interesting...Would Glocks be the only handgun make whose owners

have outsized egos? Is that what I gather?

[linuxman]

13. No, 1911 guys are much worse.

I have one of each. I'm what you call "Well adjusted".

[Surya Gayatri]

14. ...

[leveymg]

65. "Well-adjusted." Sure. But, you may double your chances of not missing.

[linuxman]

69. Well adjusted enough to not make jokes abut suicide.

Not sure why you would even post that.

I was bantering with another poster about internet forum, tongue-in-cheek brand elitism. You post a picture of a man with two pistols to his head and tell me I'm less likely to miss. What am I to take away from that?

[ileus]

15. Sig folks come in a distant second.

Glock owners are the Apple folks of the gun world.

[1939]

67. I don't care for Glocks

I prefer a pistol with a hammer. I keep my thumb on the hammer when I am holstering the pistol. If the trigger catches on something, I can feel the hammer coming back against my thumb before I shoot myself in the foot.

[ileus]

68. That's why I love my Sig and CZs

and one of the Rugers.

[Baitball Blogger]

16. They don't take harsh racist comments seriously.

I can believe that.

[Surya Gayatri]

18. Given the context and the participants, yeah...

[Baitball Blogger]

19. That's the problem we're dealing with.

We have people who drive around with Christian stickers on the back of their cars who don't recognize that this kind of group-think has negative consequences on innocent people's lives.

[Surya Gayatri]

22. ^^^AMEN to this^^^

"...this kind of group-think has negative consequences on innocent people's lives."

[mentalsolstice]

20. He bought a gun because he was small and didn't feel he could fight back?

I don't think he's going to fare well in prison. His fellow prisoners aren't going to be kind, gentle souls like the nine people he gunned down.

[Surya Gayatri]

21. Guess he didn't think of that. In any case, he boasted that he

was going to off himself after his spree.

[Lizzie Poppet]

70. No way he ends up in the general population.

Very well-known, multiple homicide convictions, obvious target for c. 35-40% of the population...he'll do his time in solitary. And for all that it's tempting to want him to suffer harm in jail, I'm actually okay with that. He's young. Assuming he receives a life sentence (which should be pretty much certain), we're talking decades of solitary confinement in prison. He's earned himself a really nasty fate there.

[shenmue]

26. ...

[Hoyt]

27. Last couple of sentence nails it regarding most gun fanciers.

[Surya Gayatri]

29. "...if you're feeling vulnerable and inadequate", not to worry.

"...if you're feeling vulnerable and inadequate", not to worry. Just pop down to the gun store, and your inferiority complex and feelings of smallness will be assuaged. Feel the potency and bigness in that comforting, hard metal.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

32. You have a very sexist and chauvanistic view of gun ownership.

You should probably work on that.

[Surya Gayatri]

33. Women too have feelings of vulnerability and inadequacy...

and probably feel comforted by the weight of that cold, hard power in their hands.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

36. So rapists and stalkers are just figments of their hysterical little minds?

When do you set aside the sexism?

[sarisataka]

40. So it's all in their heads?

...Permitting authorities are notorious for violating state-mandated time frames," said Bach, citing state criminal code that requires an application be granted within 30 days.

Either way, when Carol Bowne was fatally stabbed by an ex-boyfriend late Wednesday night just outside her Berlin home, she had been waiting since mid April.

Although the 39-year-old longtime hair stylist had filed a restraining order against suspect Michael Eitel, 45, the man allegedly attacked her shortly after 10 p.m. upon Bowne's arrival at her Patton Avenue home.

***
According to reports, Bowne submitted her application for a gun license on April 21 and went to see where the process stood two days before her death.{June 3}

http://www.nj.com/camden/index.ssf/2015/06/nj_gun_association_calls_berlin_womans_death_an_ab.html

I wonder what could have comforted her while she was being murdered?

[Lizzie Poppet]

71. For me, not so much comforted as reassured.

A subtle difference, perhaps, but a difference nonetheless. I'm almost certainly incapable of physically defeating (or even escaping, possibly) most any statistically-likely attacker. That person is probably going to be a young male; that age/gender bracket commit the large majority of assaults. On average, he probably can't outrun me in a long race (I'm a serious cyclist...I'm in good cardio shape), but if I can't outrun him over the first 50 yard sprint, that's irrelevant. I sure as hell can't fight him: I weigh 110lbs.

A handgun gives me a chance to escape unharmed. It's not by any means a 100% effective method...there's no such thing. I could get caught unawares, etc... But a weapon gives me the option to resist. An effective weapon gives me a better chance of that resistance succeeding. A firearm provides by far the most (statistically) effective resistance method.

I call this reassuring rather than comforting because to me, the latter term has emotional connotations that aren't really the attraction for me. I'm a bit of a cold fish, I guess, but I'm really just looking to give myself options...thus my CCW permit.

If it matters to anyone here, yes, my firearms are always locked in a safe when I'm not carrying one of them and yes, I practice (very) regularly with them. I don't really buy and sell that often, but I'd never sell one to someone I thought was sketchy (and my state now has universal background checks...yay!). Yes, there really are "responsible gun owners," and we're not at all uncommon.

[KamaAina]

28. I don't think he would ever have needed marital arts classes.

Just sayin'.

[Jamastiene]

41. Oh, I don't know about that.

He handled rejection extremely poorly, by turning around and feeding his hatred and turning it against all AAs. On top of that, he claimed AAs "rape our women." Uhm, the girl chose to go out with the black guy over him. That's not rape, if the woman actually wants to be with the guy.

I think he needed marital arts classes and then some.

[KamaAina]

42. But he would have had to get married first.

Even I have a better shot than he would have!

[Jamastiene]

43. Good point.

That woman chose wisely, to NOT choose to go out with him. Can you imagine how horrible her home life would have been with him? It would have been awful.

[jwirr]

38. I suspect that he was playing most of his friends as fools since he has been planning this for

months. Telling them what they want to hear. When someone is talking trash you would think that buying a gun would be the point that you would start waking up and talk with the police.

[Jamastiene]

44. That is why I still think some of the ones who knew he was doing all this

ahead of time should have turned him in. As it stands now, their nonchalance about his racist hate, imo, contributed to this happening. I still think they should be charged as accessories before the fact, but that's just by my own definition of right and wrong. Aparently, the law requires quite a bit more than knowing racists are extremely dangerous.

[Rex]

48. Hmmm...it seems he really, really wanted to kill someone/people. I am amazed nobody

noticed in the months following up to the mass murder.

[TeeYiYi]

59. His friend mentioned...

...in this OP video that Dylann was planning to "shoot up a university."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026901820

From the video, Dylann allegedly said, "I'm going to shoot the university up and they've all got 7 days to live." A week later, he murdered nine people in a church.

I wonder why this kid didn't contact authorities? It appears he knew at least a week in advance.

It's a weird video. The friend claims Dylann wasn't racist...

TYY

[Surya Gayatri]

61. Classic cognitive dissonance: "some/none of my best friends are........(fill in the blank).

"The friend claims Dylann wasn't racist..."

[TeeYiYi]

66. My concern...

...is that he knew Dylann was planning to kill some people for at least a week before it happened.

I think there's more to this guy's story than meets the eye...

TYY

[JI7]

51. how come anytime there is a shooting gun nuts act like they are the victim

[Surya Gayatri]

55. Tis indeed a mystery. Why do they feel threatened? They're the ones packing the heat! LOL!

[Jane Austin]

60. He needed the gun because he is small?

I thought he was part of a superior race.

Sheesh.

[Surya Gayatri]

63. The poor thing seems to have felt inadequate, impotent, or powerless, if you will.