Obama's approval rating among liberal democrats rises to 86%

[Cali_Democrat]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

[Betty Karlson]

1. why? Was this poll conducted before he alligned with the GOP? eom

[Cali_Democrat]

2. Poll conducted 6/15 to 6/21. nt

[Betty Karlson]

9. Or maybe the group that self-identifies as liberal democrat

has had some shifts. If liberal democrats approve of Obama, then I am no liberal democrat by any stretch of the definition.

[Cali_Democrat]

12. Obama's strongest approval is from liberal dems. Conservative dems is 66%. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Not all Liberals think alike, my friend, and it's one of those words that mean more to the person...

Not all Liberals think alike, my friend, and it's one of those words that means more to the person claiming the label or having the label apply to them.

I gotta run but I will elaborate more when I come back if you want.


PEACE

DSB

[Betty Karlson]

65. Please do so. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

107. I am a big l liberal because I empathy for folks in distress...

I am a big l liberal because I have empathy for folks in distress and identify with the proverbial little guy. I favor a path to immigration for undocumented workers and their famiies, affirmative action, the addition of glbtq persons to existing civil rights laws, criminal justice reform, decriminalization of drugs, a liveable wage, and access to medical care for all independent of ability to pay.

I don't care how much money a person earns as long as it was earned honestly and he or she is willing to pay their fair share of taxes...i worry more about comforting the afflicted then afflicting the comfortable. Let them get rich as long as they are willing to share their wealth with the rest of us.

I am not interested In "excommunicating " people from the Liberal community because they favor or oppose the TPP, or don't want to declare war on banksters and corporatists, or don't see the world through the prism of the 1%-99$% divide.


I try to define myself by what I am for and not what I am against.

[think]

7. Unfortunately the majority of people have no clue what is happening

or they have a partial & incorrect understanding based on something they saw on Morning Joke or Fox & Fiends.

[Alittleliberal]

47. +1

This is showing that most self described liberals aren't paying close enough attention.

[Sheepshank]

90. yet you are counting on those same liberals getting to know Bernie real well

....good luck with that insult.

[Alittleliberal]

92. It's an observation not an insult

[Sheepshank]

94. I'll be sure to let them know what observations the Bernie supporters have of them.

and they can decide how they want to take it.

[Alittleliberal]

97. Democracy is dying

Obama and treacherous Democrats along with the Republicans are selling us out. Obama has done a long of good, but it looks more and more everyday like his positives were smoke and mirrors.

[sufrommich]

3. But I was told he's a Trojan horse used car salesman

from the uber liberals right here on DU.

[MineralMan]

15. Maybe 86% of Liberal Democrats are

looking for a used car to tow their Trojan Horse Trailer.

[Andy823]

17. Yes but

Some of those here on DU who spread that crap, are they themselves the used car salesmen, and maybe even some of them are "Trojan horses" pretending to be something are are really not?

[Historic NY]

31. Thats because DU isn't a sounding board for Democrats...

it can't be because most here aren't.

[Sheepshank]

89. It's all too confusing, he was previously called a POS Used Car Salesman

...so there is that mixed messaging

[mopinko]

104. reality is mixed.

some people look at what he has done. and who he is.

[LongTomH]

4. (Sigh) Just goes to show that people are NOT paying attention!

It's sad; but, Mr. Obama came into office with so much political capital! He has spent that capital - and more - with his support for the Trans-Pacific Partnership, his drone policy and his support for the Keystone pipeline.

[MineralMan]

11. Hmm...maybe they're just not paying attention to the same people

you're paying attention to. That's a possible explanation.

[geek tragedy]

37. "his support for the Keystone pipeline"--I love it when people need to fabricate reasons

to whine about Obama.

[Cha]

118. "Fabricate"? Or NOT Paying Attention? LOL.. like he's accusing others of doing? SMH

[geek tragedy]

121. The derp is strong with this one nt

[liberal N proud]

5. You wouldn't know that by reading DU

Nothing but haters here lately

[City Lights]

6. Yay!

[Iliyah]

8. K & R

[G_j]

10. is that because liberal dems are pro-TPP? ...nt

[MineralMan]

14. No. They're just pro-Obama.

Maybe they're looking at the whole picture, rather than individual issues.

[Dawgs]

19. Got it. It's not that they support him because his policies are liberal.

It's for some other reason.

That makes a lot more sense.

[MineralMan]

22. I don't think this poll got all granular and stuff.

It just asked if they approved of him. It didn't ask the questions you wanted it to ask, apparently.

[Dawgs]

25. No. You're wrong. n/t

[Dawgs]

13. "LIBERAL" Democrats

[MineralMan]

18. And self-identifying Liberal Democrats at that.

Who knew?

[Dawgs]

20. Exactly.

[MineralMan]

21. They're probably Democratic voters, too, huh?

Dupes, one and all, I guess.

[Dawgs]

23. No. Not all of them.

[progressoid]

45. Like Rachel Dolezal self-identified.

[sufrommich]

46. Wow. nt

[MineralMan]

48. No, not like that at all, really.

[hrmjustin]

16. Good!

[hifiguy]

26. It will be interesting to see what they think

if the POTUS gets his way on TPP, their jobs are shipped overseas, and they find themselves dumpster diving for food or working for Wal-Mart as a result. But that will take a couple of years and he will be out of office, so whoever the next POTUS is will likely get the blame.

[emsimon33]

30. No, liberals will have a long memory of what a traitor Obama is to Democratic values

At least I shall and I will keep reminding people!

[Rockyj]

57. Me too...

Deeply disappointed with him, and as a result he's ruined his legacy.

[Enthusiast]

76. Me too.

[Hekate]

27. KnR. Excellent. Clearly those people aren't reading DU for their news analysis. nt

[kath]

34. clearly those people don't read much of anything,

Aren't paying attention, and have no idea what the word liberal actually means.
low-information voters abound.

[Enthusiast]

77. +1!

[Sheepshank]

93. Yet the Bernie supporters are looking to these same people to switch their votes...after you insult

nice going.

[snooper2]

131. Yes! I spend time on the intertubes so I know more than everyone!

[Tarheel_Dem]

84. Thank you. DU doesn't really represent mainstream thought, which is why it's still "Underground".

People claiming some exclusive monopoly on the term "liberal" obviously don't get outside the DU bubble much.

[Jamaal510]

91. Ineresting point.

I never looked too much into the "Underground" part of the name. That explains why DU polls tend to be the opposite of polls of Democrats offline, and why moderates and more mainstream Dems get heat here.

[Tarheel_Dem]

96. Underground insinuates that it's out of the mainstream, or somehow anti-establishment as it were.

That fits DU perfectly. People trying to define what makes a "liberal" often confuse their narrow definition with accepted wisdom. No one owns the label.

[Cha]

111. They're smart.. they would only get rage and "disappointment".. their lives must be going well..

Obamacare helps as well.

This is important that the country is not like DU.. this will help us in electing our next Democratic election.

[brentspeak]

127. And yet you're here.

How come?

[Hekate]

136. I've been here since 2002, when Kephra used to fill Latest Breaking News with in-depth info

General Discussion was a place for honest sources. DU had a sense of humor about itself. "Underground" was about the common cause of surviving BushCheney, and not undermining fellow Democrats. It was agreed that if the country was to survive, we would have to make common cause with those with whom we did not agree 100%. It was raucous, but it felt productive.

Odd how that lasted right up until we got an actual Democrat in the White House, at which point it became clear that a surprisingly large number of people had no clue how that works. As in, working, producing, progressing.

Some were just along for the continual rage, indiscriminately. Indiscriminate rageaholics are worse than counterproductive-- they're boring.

Why am I here? I have friends, for one thing. There are some good and thoughtful people here, and I enjoy their contributions. Why are you here?

[emsimon33]

28. Not after today! After today many liberals will rate him among the worse presidents.

TPP, the corporate stooges that he has leading various government agencies, and his arrogance towards the base will place him among the most dangerous president to the middle class and to our country.

I am so saddened that I worked so hard to get him elected!

Very tragic!

[Historic NY]

33. Sorry we've heard that before.

[Cali_Democrat]

39. Obama has been pushing TPA for some time. In fact, he was in Congress a little over a week ago

pushing TPA. It's no secret he wants it and his visit to Congress was pretty high profile and covered by numerous media outlets.

Yet, his numbers among liberal dems have not suffered.

You think his numbers among liberal dems will suddenly crash?

I don't think that's the case, but I'll be sure to post the next poll when it comes out. Rarely does his approval among liberal dems fall below 80%.

[geek tragedy]

40. He's been pushing it for a while.

Hyperbole much?

[onenote]

61. Because we'd be so much better off under McCain or Romney?

[Cha]

112. No, you're wrong.

[ChiciB1]

29. MAKES NO SENSE TO ME!!

I consider myself a Liberal, but I won't EVER answer any polls that simply ask me a general question about "job approval" because it can be taken as COMPLETE support and twisted to include all subjects.

[Cha]

113. IT DOES TO ME! GOOD SENSE.

[davidn3600]

32. Well we will see how popular his legacy is when TPP kills everyone's wages

[tridim]

38. Keep believin' David!

As with EVERY OTHER DIRE PREDICTION made by hair-on-fire DU'ers during the past 7 years, none of them will come true. Why? Because it's all FUD, and FUD isn't reality.

Sorry you're so concerned David, but Democrats trust Obama because he has earned that trust over a long period of time. That's how real life works.

[mopinko]

106. ^^^this

every fucking one.

[geek tragedy]

42. or when TPP reveals to have been a minor bad thing instead of the Apocalypse nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. Proof that DU is not the real world. Hell, DU ain't even the Democratic Party. Further proof:

[Doctor_J]

36. smirks approval among republicans is high too

So?

[tridim]

43. WTF does that mean?

Are you really going to go there? My gawd DU is lost.

[sufrommich]

49. Not all of DU,but yeah,there's some weird shit

going on here.

[progressoid]

50. It means some people support the team no matter what.

[tridim]

51. I'm a Democrat, I have been for my entire life. I support my party.

Do you have a problem with that?

[progressoid]

54. Nope. Go for it.

And I support our party too. But when our party screws up, I support them by being critical of those mistakes. Some people prefer the alternative.


“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

[tridim]

56. I have NEVER said that there should be no criticism of the President.

Not a single time, progressoid. Nice quote, but it means precisely nothing in context.

Might I suggest that you are upset because so many progressives support Obama despite your best efforts to the contrary?

And maybe, just maybe, all this TPP FUD is just that, FUD.

[progressoid]

67. I didn't say you claimed that there shouldn't be criticism.

Just pointing out that within that approval rating, there are people that would vote in support no matter what. There are Republicans that do the same. Which is what I was responding to above.

No, sorry, I'm not upset because so many progressives support Obama despite my(?) best efforts to the contrary.

And yes, TPP is shrouded in fear, uncertainty and doubt. Perhaps if it weren't being done in secret, and supported by a majority of Republicans, it wouldn't be.

[colsohlibgal]

41. I Have A Hard Time Believing That

It just doesn't seem possible and if it would be even close to true too many "liberal" democrats are not paying attention.

[tridim]

44. Maybe that's a sign that it's soul-searching time for you? nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

52. Not paying attention to the "Sky Is Falling" brigade? I'm guessing that's probably a good thing.

Just sayin'.

[NYC Liberal]

58. Maybe they just need to "become informed"...like all the women and minorities who support Hillary:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6877031

Star Member leftofcool (9,824 posts)
61. Too bad he needs Latinos, AA's and women for the win!

AgingAmerican (6,077 posts)
99. And he will have them

Once they become informed.

[Tarheel_Dem]

64. I hate to keep making this prediction, but BS will top out somewhere between 20%-23%.

Everything you hear to the contrary is just noise. If he gets out of single digits with AA's, I'll be shocked. And Hillary beat Obama with Latinos last time, so I don't look for those numbers to budge much. And women? Fuggedaboutit!

I think it's hilarious that people arguing that "people don't know who Bernie is yet", and in the same breath bragging about the size of his crowds. People know BS, and they know he's been loafing around DC for decades singing the same song from the halcyon days of his youth.

People not knowing BS at this stage of his political career is no badge of honor. They should stop using that, because it speaks volumes, and not in a good way.

[Sheepshank]

98. upthread, the message is that people don't know Bernie yet

and that the poll represents only the low (re: stupid) information voter.

And so suddenly these voters will be informed about Bernie and regardless of the insults tossed at them by Bernie Supporters they are going to embrace that constituency and want to belong? Yep...aboiut 20% of them will.

Fwiw, I hadn't thought about the name recognition issues...if they don't know him after 25 years, won't the voter wonder about that?

[Tarheel_Dem]

101. I have a feeling I know who they mean when they refer to "low information voters". I'll leave it...

at that. Make no mistake, Bernie has a ceiling, and singing the same old one note won't help him break through it. His message has to resonate outside the Thom Hartmann/Ed Schultz/RT bubble. That's his problem. Not enough of us give a shit about any of the aforementioned, or anything they have to say.

And organizations like MoveOn who send out these panicky alerts, which always include a plea for money, are basically concerned about their own survival.

Like I said, people not knowing BS at this stage of his political career is no badge of honor.

[Recursion]

55. "Disagrees with you" is different from "not paying attention"

People can actually form their own opinions.

[Cha]

109. Don't "believe it".. it's not really important. The important thing is this country appreciates

President Obama and that's going to really help us with our next Democratic President.

[djean111]

59. So what? Is he running again? n/t

[d_legendary1]

60. Obama's approval rating among conservative democrats rises to 86%

There! Fixed it for ya!

[sufrommich]

63. He has lower approval ratings with people who identify as

moderate and conservative democrats.

[Cali_Democrat]

66. Obama's approval rating among conservative dems is 66%. It's at the link. nt

[d_legendary1]

68. How is that even possible?

I wanted to look at their methodology to see what questions were asked, where the samples took place, etc. but I can't seem to find anything. I'm a bit suspicious about this polling if I can't see the data gathered. At least Quinipiac is honest about their polling data.

[sufrommich]

69. Obama has polled higher with liberal democrats and lower

with conservative democrats throughout his presidency,this poll isn't an anomaly.

[d_legendary1]

129. But this is according to Gallup

With Pew at least I can read their raw data to more or less discern the hype from the actual facts.

http://www.people-press.org/2015/01/20/obama-in-a-word-good-incompetent/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/24/7-charts-on-how-the-world-views-president-obama/

For some reason I can't find any data other than what Gallup has posted on their website. Without raw figures I can only take Gallup at their word. These are also the same guys who said that Reagan had a higher approval rating in his sixth year as president than Obama.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/181208/obama-averages-job-approval-year-six.aspx

[Angry Dragon]

62. it must be because of all that transparency

[Enthusiast]

70. Passionately unrecommended.........

[PowerToThePeople]

71. Bullshit polls. n/t

[Enthusiast]

82. That would explain a lot.

[wyldwolf]

72. But they're not reeeaaalll liberals.

[Maedhros]

74. Yes, the oh-so-"Liberal" Democrats who apparently love the TPP.

Meaningless poll.

[Fred Sanders]

75. Making perfection the enemy of the good has some folks frothing and demonizing even hard working used car salesmen for some reason.

[FiveGoodMen]

78. Only if the definition of 'Liberal Democrat' is Corporate Sellout

[lovemydog]

79. I'm in the 86%

Yay me!

[Trajan]

81. They certainly didn't talk to anybody I know

The persons here who love that man, no matter what, are not liberals from where I sit ... Why would it be different outside of DU?

[lovemydog]

85. Well you're talking with me and I'm pretty friendly.

I'm to the left of the mainstream democratic party. I identify mainly as democratic socialist. I believe President Obama and his Administration have done the absolute best they can, given the role of Congress and the mood of voters who keeping electing republicans and wishy washy democrats. I won't bother giving links to all the things his Administration has accomplished. You can find them if you wish. I hope you have a good day. I'm not your enemy.

I don't consider anyone a messiah. Not Obama. Not Hillary. Not Bernie. No president. I just don't believe the presidency is the be all and end all of the three branches of government and the powerful corporate fourth estate. I think we need much more than the presidency to advance a truly liberal or democratic socialist agenda that will be good for our economy and good for all. That will come about best through organizing at local levels, continuing that support through mayoral, city council, statewide, school boards, congressional, all sorts of elections.

[Tarheel_Dem]

83. +1. Some seem upset that they don't get to define "liberal" for us.

[lovemydog]

115. Totally. Even though I'm supporting Sanders for now,

I can accept that you are supporting Hillary. I certainly would question your 'liberal credibility' on a damn message board.

[pintobean]

80. Interesting

Edited out the wrong image. Oops, sorry.

[Ryano42]

86. 86er Also...I support my Kenyan, Muslin, Communist,

Nazi, Used Car Selling, POS President and I am happy I voted for him twice!

He is far from ideal but there are no ideals in the real world...

[DCBob]

87. Cool!

He deserves it!

[Jamaal510]

88. I see people have already started making excuses

up-thread about their disagreement with the polling results, saying that the poll respondents "don't know what liberal means" or are "low-info". That sure is an excellent way to win people over to one's way of thinking--insulting their intelligence and doing yet another litmus test.

Again, who would've thought a Democratic site would have so much animus towards a Democrat and his/her supporters?

[Sheepshank]

100. yup...the insults hurled at the very people they hope to win to Bernie's side.

what an interesting conundrum.

[Andy823]

102. OF course

Some of them hurling the insults really don't want to see "ANY" democrat elected, that's not their goal.

[freshwest]

133. 'Some of them hurling the insults really don't want to see "ANY" democrat elected...not their goal.'

You win the thread! TY!

[lovemydog]

114. I know, right?

I'm glad there are some people here who actually like progressive change whether it is in small increments or bigger increments. If we really want them in bigger increments, in my opinion, we have to do a heck of a lot better at attracting people toward getting involved in voting at all levels, not just for presidential elections. And to me, voting is the least one does, not the most. It seems to me that a lot of people here love talking down to people as though they are ignorant. Which is really a sign of laziness or insecurity. Especially on the damn internets.

[avebury]

95. That is hard to understand.

It is a good thing that he is prohibited from running again. I doubt he could win another Presidential election. He is pushing stuff that is just devestating to the majority of Americansa and this country.

The first time I voted for President Obama, he got my vote because I believed in him. The second time, he got my vote because he was the lesser of the evils (i.e. Romney and Ryan). Under R&R things would be a whole lot worse then they are now, but Obama certainly is not helping things.

[Prism]

99. Clinton was adored until people got an eyeful of NAFTA and Glass Steagal

I think President Obama will be much beloved upon leaving office. In ten years, after the effects of the pro-corporate hosing are more perceivable and measurable, people will do a reassessing.

Although, it depends on charisma, too. I mean, partisans still adore Clinton, no matter how hard his policies have ultimately railed the lower classes.

The politics of personality are a funny thing.

[Sheepshank]

103. sure...people are reassessing Bush and his popularity poll numbers are rising

funny thing about long term policy realities and fuzzy memories.

[Prism]

110. George W. Bush was the worst pre . . . .

. . . amg, there's a woman pretending to be black in Washington!

[DCBob]

105. When will the DU "liberals" finally figure out they are on the fringe of reality?

[onenote]

122. I've been here ten years and I haven't seen any evidence of self-awareness

just today, we have a poll showing massive support for Obama among Democrats and yet a guarantee that any Democrat that supports TPP ( which of course Obama supports) will lose in 2016.

Go figure.

[Cha]

108. This is what counts.. the country.. not some little pocket of

seething cheap pot shots.

Mahalo Cali

[lovemydog]

116. Hi Cha! Yes, the country.

Not some angry message board posters who hope to 'win us over' by yelling and screaming at us about how ignorant we are, roflmao.

[Cha]

117. Right! It's doesn't matter that there on those on DU who don't appreciate this President..

the important thing is that the country does and that's going to really help us with getting our next Democratic President elected.

lovemydog~

[lovemydog]

119. Very good point Cha.

The Obama coalition will help elect the next democratic President. And I hope it helps elect the next President.

[brentspeak]

128. A poll is "what counts"?

The declining living standards and prospects of American citizens are irrelevant; polls are what really counts.

[hay rick]

120. I didn't click on the link.

I'm waiting for the Gallup poll that shows Obama's approval rating among "liberal democrats" [sic] is 106%.

[OilemFirchen]

123. To summarize:

The respondents are stupid.
The respondents are liars.
The respondents are uneducated.
The poll is bullshit.
The poll doesn't mean anything.
No one I know would respond this way.
I wouldn't respond this way.
Fuck something.
Argle bargle.

Did I leave anything out?

[sufrommich]

126. You forgot " they're paid Hillary operatives!!". nt

[Lisa D]

124. K & R

[SidDithers]

125. DU rec...

inb4 "Lozo"

Sid

[Romulox]

130. OK. But *every* Rightwinger here on DU calls himself a "liberal". I think some gaming is going on.

[Cali_Democrat]

134. And why exactly do YOU think you're the one who should be able to determine...

who's a liberal and who isn't?

Should we ask all polling firms to drop their identification methodology and simply ask Romulox of Democratic Underground who's a liberal and who isn't?

[Romulox]

135. Appeal to objective historic standards. nt

[Scurrilous]

132. K & R