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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:19 PM Jun 2015

Gallup: In United States, Socialist Presidential Candidates Are The Least Appealing

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As the 2016 presidential election field takes shape, more than nine in 10 Americans say they would vote for a qualified presidential candidate who is Catholic, a woman, black, Hispanic or Jewish. Less than half of Americans would vote for a candidate who is a socialist.



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Independent Bernie Sanders, who is seeking the Democratic nomination, is the only Jewish candidate in the race. And while a large majority of Americans are willing to vote for a candidate of his faith, Sanders' self-identification as a socialist could hurt him, as half of Americans say they would not vote for someone with that background.

In addition, several candidates have heavily courted the evangelical community -- including Republicans Mike Huckabee, Rick Perry, Carson, Santorum and Cruz.

Democrats and Republicans vary in their support for candidates of particular religious affiliations.

Republicans (84%) are significantly more likely than Democrats (66%) to say they will vote for an evangelical candidate. But Democrats are more likely to say they will vote for a Muslim (73%) or an atheist (64%) than are Republicans, of whom less than half say they are willing to vote for a candidate with either of these belief systems.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx?utm_source=Politics&utm_medium=newsfeed&utm_campaign=tiles

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Gallup: In United States, Socialist Presidential Candidates Are The Least Appealing (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 OP
Our nightly stink bomb, eh? MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #1
This election cycle will be the most expensive in history Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #3
Bernie's a shrinking violet, eh? MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #4
Once people find out what a Libertarian actually is... OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #13
It's a Gallup poll, not a stink bomb. MineralMan Jun 2015 #60
And maybe 90% of them moondust Jun 2015 #2
wow i am really hearing the hard sell. restorefreedom Jun 2015 #5
Looking on the bright side, he's only got to get a bump of 3.1% to win an election. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #6
What's weird about it is that most of the candidates of both parties are either socialists Renew Deal Jun 2015 #7
I think your definition of socialism may vary from reality... former9thward Jun 2015 #48
Hoo boy. New week. New PsyOps meme. marmar Jun 2015 #8
Gallop==trust==NOT. Wellstone ruled Jun 2015 #9
Then why are the Hillary shills so worried? HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #10
Yep... Let The Games Begin... WillyT Jun 2015 #11
That's an excellent question. winter is coming Jun 2015 #12
Well, the sHillarys get the daily talking points... HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #17
Yea, you wish. leftofcool Jun 2015 #55
"the sHillarys" sufrommich Jun 2015 #57
Frantic, even! nt Romulox Jun 2015 #58
The "Hillary Shills"? says the Bernie "shill".. Cha Jun 2015 #63
Why would voting for the "most popular" candidate in the Primaries make any sense? nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #14
Bernie self identifies as a democratic socialist Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #15
Yes, it could. Bonobo Jun 2015 #16
As big a probablem as half never voting for Hillary. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #19
True..... Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #20
Bernie Sanders has won 14 elections. Tell me again how many Hillary Clinton has won? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #18
Hillary has only run twice, Bernie lost his first and second election Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #28
she won about 20 states in 2008 presidential primary and the 2 senate elections JI7 Jun 2015 #35
What seat did she occupy after winning 20 elections? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #38
sec of state JI7 Jun 2015 #39
Damn... she WON that election; what's wrong with me? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #40
well, it didn't hurt her much as she is leading right now JI7 Jun 2015 #41
Good thing for HER you mean, right? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #42
and anyone who supports her JI7 Jun 2015 #44
Right now, with TPP hanging in the balance and Obama going whole hawg while Hillary vacillates... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #45
Creative irrelevancy. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #61
Only 59% of Democrats would vote for a socialist... DemocraticWing Jun 2015 #21
I think they're trying to resurrect the Cold War Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #26
Talking points? She doesn't need talking points, she is right on the issues, I think Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #29
I love the smell of desperation in the morning! (or evening, as it were) NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #22
What issues do you have with the polling methodology? Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #23
They don't, they have issues because they don't like what the result is. stevenleser Jun 2015 #25
they were upset Biden was added to polls because they claimed he took from sanders JI7 Jun 2015 #37
wrong. it's the exhausting Hillary Hysterical Hyperbole that is really tiring. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #46
In other words, you don't like the result of the poll so you attack it and those that post it. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #47
'socialist' isn't in a category with any of the other options muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #50
Yep, as I've said from the moment he declared, repugs would get 350-400 EVs stevenleser Jun 2015 #24
Yeah and it costs billions of dollars to keep it at the bottom. Rex Jun 2015 #27
Sounds about right. But..but...once Bernie explains it to them....blah...blah...blah... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #30
Pretty sure fascist would poll lower. PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #31
Ooooohhh, that one has to smart. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #32
Well it is a good thing, a Socialist isn't running. TM99 Jun 2015 #33
Big K & R for your bright light of truth. misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #34
Well, on the plus side, atheists are sure gaining. LAGC Jun 2015 #36
How about senators who trade American blood for political gain? n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #43
Funny, I saw "least appalling" when I read your op title corkhead Jun 2015 #49
Funny. 99Forever Jun 2015 #51
I wonder who commissioned that poll. merrily Jun 2015 #52
Ever More Misdirection cantbeserious Jun 2015 #53
Small wonder deutsey Jun 2015 #54
I bet the same people who think socialism is evil love what it actually is. Vinca Jun 2015 #56
Hillary's supporters wouldn't be slinging mud everywhere if they were confident. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #59
Of course , likely a huge majority of that 50% whatthehey Jun 2015 #62
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
1. Our nightly stink bomb, eh?
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:27 PM
Jun 2015

Once people find out what a Socialist actually is, they'll realize that they already are one.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
3. This election cycle will be the most expensive in history
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:37 PM
Jun 2015

The republicans will have an insane amount of money to spend.

Obama had an amazing ability to withstand GOP attacks. Politics is blood sport.

I'm curious about Bernie's ability to withstand those attacks, especially if he's not going to raise a whole lot of money compared to the Republicans.

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
60. It's a Gallup poll, not a stink bomb.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:26 AM
Jun 2015

I suspect that most people are not going to bother learning what a socialist is, actually. Most people couldn't tell you who the Secretary of State is, and don't care.

Labels are important in elections, especially general elections. What those labels actually signify is far less important to most people, though.

People on DU post poll information. Polls are interesting to those who follow politics. Poll results are not "stink bombs." They are information. Sanders' supporters made a great deal of New Hampshire polling that showed Bernie Sanders rising quickly in that state. Clinton supporters made a great deal of a national poll that shows Hillary Clinton with 75% numbers for the primary.

All polling should be posted, so people can look at the numbers and make their own evaluation of them. Sniping about a poll you don't like being posted and calling the post a "stink bomb" is just showing a bias for or against some outcome. It's just a poll. Whether it's meaningful is up for question, but it's just information.

moondust

(20,014 posts)
2. And maybe 90% of them
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:34 PM
Jun 2015

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couldn't tell you the difference between socialism and totalitarian communism. Hardcore capitalists and wingnuts at least since McCarthy and the Red Scare have lumped them all together and demonized them as the Devil himself.

Renew Deal

(81,882 posts)
7. What's weird about it is that most of the candidates of both parties are either socialists
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jun 2015

or support some socialist policies.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
12. That's an excellent question.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:49 PM
Jun 2015

A lot of effort is being expended against a candidate who's allegedly a no-hoper.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
17. Well, the sHillarys get the daily talking points...
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:57 PM
Jun 2015

...perhaps the internal polling isn't as inevitable.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
15. Bernie self identifies as a democratic socialist
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 10:53 PM
Jun 2015

This poll shows that half of Americans would never vote for a socialist.

That could be a problem in a general election.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
20. True.....
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:02 PM
Jun 2015

There are a lot of folks who say they would never vote for her or think she's untrustworthy.

That's a big vulnerability for her.

However, if you look at the recent NBC/WSJ poll, Hillary beats every GOP candidate head to head.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
45. Right now, with TPP hanging in the balance and Obama going whole hawg while Hillary vacillates...
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:40 AM
Jun 2015

I'd support neither.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
61. Creative irrelevancy.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:35 AM
Jun 2015

Creative irrelevancy. Indicative of lack of substance or valid premise. But still creative.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
21. Only 59% of Democrats would vote for a socialist...
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:27 PM
Jun 2015

But I guarantee that more than 59% of Democrats would vote for Bernie Sanders if he got the nomination. Bernie Sanders is not defined by socialism, and I don't think Americans' opinions of either him or socialism are as easily reduced to this one question.

What I find interesting is that a solid majority of Democrats are already willing to vote for a socialist, and nearly 70% of people under 30 would too. The party may be in for a major change on how we treat labels like "democratic socialist" and "social democrat," and I think that's a wonderful thing. The Cold War is over, and hopefully we don't have to wait too much longer for everybody to understand this.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
26. I think they're trying to resurrect the Cold War
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:46 PM
Jun 2015

For example, Hillary talked about showing strength against "traditional enemies like Russia" in her Roosevelt Island speech. I wouldn't be surprised if she got that talking point from her mentor, Henry Kissinger.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
29. Talking points? She doesn't need talking points, she is right on the issues, I think
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:53 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie will continue to run with Hillary's stands on the issues.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
25. They don't, they have issues because they don't like what the result is.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:43 PM
Jun 2015

The polls are skewed if they don't show something good for Bernie.

We all remember unskewedpolls.com

JI7

(89,278 posts)
37. they were upset Biden was added to polls because they claimed he took from sanders
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:21 AM
Jun 2015

but removing Biden just increased Clinton's lead .

i will probably even vote for sanders . but i will never get this denying reality . and getting upset because this was posted.

if people were supportive of socialists we would at least see more of them in office at lower levels and some more of them in congress .

but you don't even get most of the more liberal states electing many of them.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
50. 'socialist' isn't in a category with any of the other options
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:34 AM
Jun 2015

Gallup talks about candidates' 'education, age, religion, race and so on'. But the categories fit into religion, race/ethnicity, gender, and sexuality - religion, and things you're born with. 'Socialist' is a political ideology. It would be a more meaningful poll if things like 'capitalist' or 'tea party supporter' were in the options.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
24. Yep, as I've said from the moment he declared, repugs would get 350-400 EVs
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:42 PM
Jun 2015

If Bernie is our nominee. Perhaps even more than 400.

Every state poll between Bernie and the GOP hopefuls shows Bernie losing all but deep blue states big and tied with them in deep blue states like California. And much of the GOP field has about the same level of name recognition as Bernie.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
27. Yeah and it costs billions of dollars to keep it at the bottom.
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:49 PM
Jun 2015

Just like it costs billions of dollars to keep reminding people Republican Christians are under attack by Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. Or to fund a presidental campaign.

Delusional lala land again, like some idiot in the Clown Car getting elected. Slim chance to none.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,243 posts)
30. Sounds about right. But..but...once Bernie explains it to them....blah...blah...blah...
Mon Jun 22, 2015, 11:54 PM
Jun 2015

Fortunately, we'll never have to find out.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
33. Well it is a good thing, a Socialist isn't running.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:12 AM
Jun 2015

I mean there is an Independent who is in the Democratic primary election. He identifies as a Democratic Socialist which is NOT a socialist. But no Socialists that I can think of off hand.

LAGC

(5,330 posts)
36. Well, on the plus side, atheists are sure gaining.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 12:19 AM
Jun 2015

Wasn't too long ago only 40% would consider voting for one.

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
49. Funny, I saw "least appalling" when I read your op title
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:28 AM
Jun 2015

Your poll shows how stupid the American public that is willing to participate in a poll is. So what.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
51. Funny.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:42 AM
Jun 2015

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I don't see a listing for neoliberals, DINOs, or Third Wayers on that "poll."

And how about Oligarchs, Plutocrats, and Shills for the MIC?

Corporatists? Shills for the Bankster$$$?

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
54. Small wonder
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:31 AM
Jun 2015

With the history of repression (sometimes quite violent) of socialism (and the Left in general) in this country going back to the Palmer raids, red scares, McCarthyism, COINTELPRO, etc., and with the constant drumbeat of propaganda that has demonized and marginalized socialism for over a century, such results are no surprise.

Most people in America have no clue what Democratic Socialism is and how many of them have benefited from its principles (or how they had benefited from them until Reagan et al., began to roll back such gains).

Vinca

(50,314 posts)
56. I bet the same people who think socialism is evil love what it actually is.
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 07:44 AM
Jun 2015

Half the country doesn't know who the Vice President is . . . how do you expect them to understand socialism?

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
62. Of course , likely a huge majority of that 50%
Tue Jun 23, 2015, 10:42 AM
Jun 2015

would never vote for a Democrat either, and if asked would wonder why the questioner had repeated an inquiry about "those damn pinko-commie anti-American traitorous liberal scum".

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