Let's call Dylann Roof what he really is: Neo-Confederate Surf Nazi.

[leveymg]

This is the blue-eyed, blonde face of a 21st Century All-American killing machine.

No hard edges. At first glance, the kid next door, anywhere USA. The first thing that strikes you is that distinctive bowl-cut hair - pure 1960s SoCal Surfer Boy. The green Flower Child glasses - nod off to the '60s. You'd think he couldn't hurt a fly until you spot The Heritage license plate on the 2001 Hyundai - the Stars & Bars, the racialist battle flag icon that evokes the first shots fired at a Union Fort in Charlestown Harbor by graduating cadets at The Citadel, in 1861. Not really unusual - you see lots of retro Confederate gear and stickers rolling around the region.

But, one more item, and the outfit is complete. Tuck in a classic Colt .45. That was given to Dylann for his birthday by his RonJon Surf Shop Dad. Sticker's right there on his front door. Welcome to manhood, boy. First we start another Civil War and then we go surfing.

Welcome to South Carolina, Surf Nazis.

[NuclearDem]

1. Surf Nazi for some reason just conjurs up an image of an overzealous lifeguard.

[bigwillq]

5. Get off my sand!

[struggle4progress]

15. It is time for you to learn you some culture!

[blm]

2. Indeed. He hoped to be the 'trigger' for the race war they have been preparing for and wanting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026864997

[madamesilverspurs]

3. Remember this from the 1960s?

from Wikipedia:
Ed "Big Daddy" Roth sold various surfer accessories in the 1960s that were based on WW2 German items...By 1966 Roth claimed to have sold 51,800 crosses and "that Hitler did a hell of a public relations job for me."

[Igel]

13. Meh.

I remember getting a nice blue iron cross in '71 when I visited the Mall in DC. It was a class field trip and the anti-Vietnam war/anti-draft protesters were out in force. The hippie I bought it from was doubtfully a Nazi sympathizer.

I thought it made a nice souvenir. Pissed off my father, but that wasn't my intent.

It was probably the intent of having the iron crosses for sale. Baby boomers sporting the symbols of those that their parents' generation fought, only to have Vietnam "sponsored" by pretty much the same generation.

Did I mention it was a 6th-grade field trip?

[panader0]

4. As an old surfer, I reject that. What in the hell does surfing,

a wonderful sport, have to do with this idiot? Surfers are some of the most laid back people ever.
Even at 64 I could surf circles around that guy.

[madamesilverspurs]

6. On the surfer cross:

For some reason, wasn't able to post the text with the picture.

Anyway, in the 1960s Ed "Big Daddy" Roth made and sold items based on German WW2 items. By 1966 he claimed to have sold 51,800 surfer crosses (based on the German Iron Cross) and said that "Hitler did a hell of a public relations job for me."

--from wikipedia

[leveymg]

7. The History behind the Surf Nazis

http://encyclopediaofsurfing.com/entries/surf-nazi

American surfing has a long, intermittent, and mostly innocuous association with wartime Nazi imagery. In the early 1930s, Pacific System Homes in Los Angeles introduced the "Swastika" model surfboard—the first commercially available board, featuring a swastika emblem near the tail. The mark was a symbol of good luck and harmony before it was adapted by Hitler's Third Reich; in 1938, after Germany invaded Austria and pushed the world closer to war, Pacific System Homes changed the name of their line to "Waikiki Surf-Boards."

Nearly 20 years later, a small group of surfers from La Jolla, California, dressed up in German military uniforms and marched along the beachfront holding Nazi flags, with Greg Noll filming the proceedings for his upcoming surf movie. "We just did things like that to be outrageous," Noll recalled years later. "You paint a swastika on your car, and it would piss people off. So what do you do? You paint on two swastikas."

Artist and custom car builder Ed "Big Daddy" Roth, creator of the Rat Fink cartoon character, marketed American teenage rebellion as well as anybody in the 1960s, and in 1965 he introduced a line of Surfer's Cross decals and pendants, each modeled after the German Iron Cross military award. The surf press railed against the new gear, but Roth was unrepentant. "That Hitler," he told Time magazine, just before releasing a plastic copy of the German army iron helmet, "really did a hellava public relations job for me."

"Surf Nazi," though, didn't enter the surfing lexicon until the late '70s, as punk-inspired rebelliousness spread from the cities to the beaches. "Wayne Lynch at 25: A Very Experienced Surf Nazi" was the perhaps badly chosen title of a 1978 Surfer magazine profile on one of the sport's more peaceable and noncompetitive figures, and it earned the magazine a number of angry reader's letters, including one from Stephen Bruce of Atlanta, Georgia: "Doesn't the term [surf Nazi] call forth images of cruelty, callousness and the worst kind of sadism?" Surfer disagreed, and followed up with a competition report titled "Storm Troopers Hit Surf City."

[Bluenorthwest]

8. Ed Roth was a car and biker culture guy, a designer of cars and not a part of surf culture.

Biker gangs bought his crosses. Why do you connect him to surfers? He was a cartoonist who mostly drew 'hot rods' and the like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Roth

[madamesilverspurs]

9. Was just reminded of it by the OP.

And I remember being surprised when I first saw one in '66, and wondered why the surfers were sporting the thing.

[leveymg]

11. Roth was part of both subcultures.

Read the link I just posted in the chain above.

That's the point about Dylann Storm Roof. He's a mix of American subcultures. In other words, kinda "normal"-- there are a lot like him -- which is why he's so scary and dangerous.

[FSogol]

10. and a Troma film:

[hobbit709]

14. Here you go.

[Joe Chi Minh]

12. Bear in mind that Hitler was such a losers' loser that he left his country

a moonscape. Rather like the Confederacy, come to think of it. Very many of his country's womenfolk were routinely gang-raped by the Russian troops over a period of at least 18 months, on Stalin's orders. Hitler conveniently committed suicide, and could not have prevented them, had he wanted to. But, in any case, he'd intended to leave 'scorched earth', as he considered the German people unworthy of him. In the circumstances, surviving military, whom German women had come to despise, obviously could not protect them. Indeed, the more than 2 million surviving German prisoners were deliberately starved to death by the Allies, after the war. Moreover, the order was given that anyone giving food to any of them would be shot.

On the face of it, its sounds like a major war crime, but many people throughout much of Europe were themselves starving, while others had been rendered homeless refugees by the Nazis under their Superman, Hitler. Even Churchill, the old imperialist, was greatly concerned by their plight of the refugees and urged Roosevelt to make shifts to supply food for their survival; also for those still in possession of living quarters, of course.

And these blokes revere Hitler's memory! They need to go back to school. If any of his senior generals had been in charge, well... things might have panned out somewhat differently. The British army has an adage: 'He who has not fought the Germans, does not know war.'

In the end, it's God who decides who'll, be the winners and who, the losers. You lost, Rip Van Winkle. Get over it. A flag won't move people to sympathy for you.