Paging Hillary Clinton: this Democrat has a question for you.

[Avalux]

If you were still in the Senate, would you vote Yea or Nay for TPP?

Thus far, Hillary Clinton has been incredibly vague regarding this incredibly critical piece of legislation. TPP could be the last nail in the coffin of the American middle class, and is pitting Democrats (including President Obama) against each other - and she has said very little - what she has said doesn't make her position clear:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/democrats-produce-trade-discord/391224/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/30/hillary-clinton-trans-pacific-partnership_n_7173108.html

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/242206-left-presses-clinton-to-choose-sides-on-obama-trade-pact

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-trade-deal-hillary-clinton-keeps-her-distance-from-obama-and-her-past/2015/05/11/bc2cc604-f7e1-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html

Now she's comparing herself to Roosevelt, wanting us believe she's progressive with foreign policy chops. She'll have to do a whole lot better than that to make the comparison believable.

I want to know how she would vote on TPP. I think every Democrat deserves to know before deciding to vote for her in the primary.

[cui bono]

1. It could be the last nail in the coffin of our very democracy.

The public deserves to know where each and every candidate stands on this.

[Avalux]

2. Yes you're right.

I think the longer Hillary goes without addressing this, the more credibility she loses.

[INdemo]

22. Hillary is losing her stride. The FDR thing really sold me on the fact that

Hillary is a phony

[MohRokTah]

4. OFFS

[99Forever]

6. Really? That's what you actually think?

Her silence will put a nail in a coffin also.

[jeff47]

9. Yes, it really is what he thinks. Moh's a fan of the TPP. (nt)

[LondonReign2]

44. Third Way fake Democrats are all in favor of the TPP

[Avalux]

8. Am I to believe you don't think this is important? n/t

[cui bono]

11. What an articulate and detailed response.

You've convinced me. I'm clearly wrong.

[daleanime]

17. Then their work here is done....

Rides off in to the sunset.


Who was that masked stranger?

[Motown_Johnny]

3. She recently restated her position.

She has concerns and she has expectations but she doesn't have details.

Her comments on TPP start at about 1:20

Isn't it obvious how she would vote?


For the sarcasm impaired >>----->

[99Forever]

7. Since she refuses to publically commit, Yea or Nay...

...on either the TPA or the Corporate Super Rights TTP, we MUST assume she favors them both, given her history.

[yallerdawg]

10. Why would any rational person oppose something...

they haven't seen, while it is still being negotiated?

"Obama trade bad" is an easy, easy position. Now, this being Hillary, if she said, "Obama trade bad" do you really think that would be the end of anything on this subject?

She (and we) all know she has no answer that will make the haters happy - no answer at all.

[daleanime]

18. So why not take the time to answer the concerns?

Wait, I know this one. Once it's been pre-approved and requires fewer yes or no votes to pass, then we'll be allow 90 days to get comfortable. Cause we sure won't be feeling good later.

[Man from Pickens]

19. lemme see... it's TOTALLY SECRET and literally under armed guard

I can't imagine a reason why they would have this level of secrecy unless they knew we would absolutely reject it.

Why would they keep it a secret from you if it were not objectionable? In a representative government laws are debated publicly and a treaty has the force of law and thus also must be debated publicly. Now they've already voted on it and who exactly knows what's in it? Not even a lot of people who voted on it.

This is the wrong way to make law.

[NanceGreggs]

27. "I can't imagine a reason ...

... why they would have this level of secrecy ..."

Well, here's a reason: All international trade agreements are negotiated in secret. Always have been - probably always will be.

And you don't even have to "imagine a reason" - because that's the fact.

[Man from Pickens]

28. not where representative government is concerned

This isn't a treaty between kings - there are representative governments involved and at the end of the day to be legitimate these treaties require public consent.

"That's just the way it is" is a piss-poor excuse not to have transparency in a matter of this importance to the public.

[NanceGreggs]

29. I repeat.

This is the way ALL int'l treaties are negotiated. Whether you like it or not, THIS is the way they're done.

Attaching something nefarious to THIS particular agreement on the basis of its secrecy shows a clear lack of understanding that ALL such agreements are negotiated in the same way, and always have been.

Saying, "Well, I don't like it" is a piss-poor excuse for not knowing that simple fact - which you very obviously didn't.

If and when Congress passes the TPP, "public consent" will have been given - because we are a "representative government" and your representatives will be saying yea or nay on your behalf.

[Man from Pickens]

31. you can repeat all you like

but anyone old enough to have witnessed the very public debates over NAFTA knows you're talking out the ventral port.

This is not normal trade negotiation behavior. You should adjust your view to accommodate this reality.

[Scuba]

32. But it's not secret, not to the corporate lobbyists who are writing it.

[Jim Lane]

47. TPA isn't secret. Has she opined on that?

We're getting very close to a critical House vote on TPA. The full, exact, complete text that will be voted on is known. Anyone with Internet access can read it.

Knowing where Secretary Clinton stands on the TPA would give us valuable insight into how she would make decisions if elected President.

Obama and his Republican allies are lobbying furiously in favor of TPA. My inbox is choking as apparently just about every lefty NGO that has my email address is imploring me to lobby my Congressmember against it. In other words, this is no small matter. It would be a good opportunity for Clinton to show some leadership, and burnish her progressive credentials, by urging wavering Democrats in the House to vote No.

[jeff47]

5. Bah. This is unimportant crap. The important issue of the day is how awesome the logo is.

http://www.hillarymojo.com/2015/06/10/hillary-campaign-logo-finally-getting-the-love-it-deserves/

The admins are really digging into the important issues on their new site.

[leftofcool]

12. It doesn't matter how she answers, you still won't vote for her so why bother?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. Only if she's on the Right side of the issues.

[Avalux]

37. It certainly does matter. If she gets the nomination I will vote for her. n/t

[Fred Sanders]

13. What is her vote on unicorns and strawberries for everyone.....sometimes I wonder what site I am on.

[frylock]

21. so do I..

what with comments like this.

[jalan48]

14. 'Politician' by Cream

Sorry I don't have the music video but a line from the song sums up Hillary perfectly.
"I support the left though I'm leaning to the right".

[7962]

15. As long as she's in the lead, she wont commit to hardly anything thats tough

"I support a raise in the min wage!". Gee thats a hard one
Until she is in danger of losing something, shes going to continue what she's done for years; avoid ANY surprises and anything unscripted

[Spitfire of ATJ]

24. She's hoping she can lay low until next year.

[misterhighwasted]

30. Well actually those are words Sanders uses also.

Playing it safe, appealing to the voters..call it what you want but I'm hearing every candidate say the same "safe words".
What did Sanders say as to raising the minimum wage?
Yup, same thing.

[7962]

33. But Sanders has also taken questions from reporters & others randomly.

He's made his position clear on a number of things. He attends events where the audience isnt hand picked.
Sanders has even been on O'Reilly's show for an interview! Will we ever see Hillary do that? Maybe. But not while she's comfortably in front.

[misterhighwasted]

34. but you indeed singled out an issue about wages that they all address the same.

Just pointing that out.
There's no 'there, there'.

[7962]

42. I simply used the min wage as an easy "stand". Its doesnt take any guts.

But what IS her opinion on the TPP? On regulating banking? Breaking up too-large-to-fail banks? taxes? Social Security?
Fraud waste and abuse? ISIS? Iran? Ukraine? Russia?
She cant just rehash Bill saying "I feel your pain" and think that'll carry her. She's no Bill Clinton

[misterhighwasted]

46. Sure ya did.

[Unknown Beatle]

16. If it passes she'll say she was against it.

If it's defeated she'll say she was against it.

In the meantime, she's silent about the TPP. It's a win/win situation for her until after the fact, at least I think that's the way she views it.

[INdemo]

20. Hillary couldnt carry FDR's ..................(fill in the blank)

Well Hillary You are no FDR.

You don't even come close to being a liberal and especially a progressive liberal as was FDR.

Hillary probably doesn't realize that liberals are laughing at her.
Today she is comparing herself to FDR and tomorrow she'll be giving $50,000 speeches to Goldman and Sach's Execs..
What a phony

[840high]

25. +10

[Avalux]

38. She was in San Antonio for a fundraiser a couple of weeks ago....

even if I had wanted to attend, I could never afford the per plate cost. Nothing wrong with that I guess, and I'm sure she would tell you it's something she has to do to win.

Just doesn't jive very well with the push to reinvent her as a progressive liberal.

[merrily]

26. Comparing herself to Roosevelt? Please. As far as the TPP, she helped negotiate it.

To me, that counts more than any remark she may make about it during a campaign.

Besides, if it passes soon, as I think it will, that pretty much moots it as a primary issue for her, which is probably part of the goal.

[Avalux]

39. Yes if you read the WP article in my OP, it explains that.

It's disingenuous for her to say she doesn't know enough about it yet.

[L0oniX]

35. "she's comparing herself to Roosevelt" Bwahahahaah WTF FFS

Shallow, fake, disingenuous, calculating, war hawk, corporatist, 1%, etc.

[Avalux]

40. She will 'officially' announce her candidacy in NYC, on Roosevelt's island.

She's going full bore to convince people she and FDR were separated at birth.

This is what makes me weary...the same old shit with the same old politicians - "look who I am now!".

[B Calm]

36. I'm not committed to either Bernie or Hillary, that said

I want to know her stand on TPP.

If you think I would vote against the democratic party in the next election, the answer is no.

[Avalux]

41. I will definitely vote for Hillary if she's the nom, but I still want to know.

It's politics as usual - she probably feels she doesn't have to say since she'll be the nominee and Democrats will vote for her regardless.

[Recursion]

43. That's a fair question somebody should ask (nt)

[bvar22]

45. At least she mentions FDR,

and acknowledges his leadership in the Democratic Party.
I'm much more comfortable hearing this than hearing praise for Ronald Reagan, the "transformational" president.

[Avalux]

48. She isn't just 'mentioning him'. She wants people to think she's just like him.

I'm sorry, but it's not true. And why the jab at Obama?

[bvar22]

49. Why the jab at Obama?

Three reasons (this afternoon).
1)His abandoning the Democratic Party and crossing over to Republicans to try to get his precious
"Trade Deals" passed.

2) His eagerness to get our military re-involved in the Middle East.

3)The difference shown by Obama in working for his Trade Deal
compared to how "hard" he worked for our Public Option.


Those are just today.

[Avalux]

50. Thanks....

I always want to know why people are disillusioned with Obama. I am too, for the same reasons.