Interestingly, a thread advocating anally raping a man with various instruments is A-OK here!

[Bonobo]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by TexasTowelie (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Yes, metaphor, blah-blah, I'm sure. But there are people advocating anally raping a man and others saying they want to watch it happen - the fact that that is a-okay is pretty fucking strange given the recent banning of offensive spoonerisms.

I will provide the link on request.

[Logical]

1. Ok, link please! Nt

[Bonobo]

3. As you wish!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026776149

[kcr]

23. That's a link to a post about Scott Walker, and the implement is an ultrasound wand

You do realize what Scott Walker wants to do with ultrasound wands?

[Warren DeMontague]

37. So what about the one with the baseball bat?

Under what possible set of circumstances is advocating something like that okay on this site?

[kcr]

40. I didn't see anything about a baseball bat n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

79. I think someone's given you the link, by now.

I'll ask you the same thing I asked downthread: Since one of the co-sponsors, the people who actually WROTE the Wisconsin law, is a woman-- if the people in that thread were saying the exact same things about her, would you be okay with it?

[kcr]

80. No one has given me any link. I've seen nothing about a baseball bat.

The fact that a co-sponsor is a woman changes nothing I've said and I don't understand why it would.

[Warren DeMontague]

81. Okay, here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026776149#post32

[kcr]

82. I still don't see anything about a baseball bat n/t

[kcr]

92. I have no idea what you're talkign about. I see nothing about a baseball bat.

I don't know if the link is broken for me.

[Warren DeMontague]

89. "obviously, you're not a golfer"

[Lizzie Poppet]

90. "How about a Louisville Slugger instead?"

I'm not sure why, but the link to the post isn't resolving to the post like it's supposed to. It's just going to the OP. It's post 32 in that thread.

[uppityperson]

93. A Louisville Slugger is a baseball bat. Google it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6777566

[kcr]

96. I know what a Louisville Slugger is n/t

[uppityperson]

100. Yet you say you see nothing about a baseball bat on that thread? I have the direct link so

you can check it out. You are welcome.

[kcr]

102. I didn't scroll down through the whole thread. I'm sorry.

This thread is getting bad enough to load. My internet is slow right now.

[HooptieWagon]

2. There is a definately double standard on DU inre content.

Last edited Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:47 AM - Edit history (1)

Advocating rape of a male is OK. Calling a woman the c-word, even Ann Coulter, is a permanent banning rather than a justified Hide.

[cherokeeprogressive]

4. Having seen Roman Polanski defended here, as well as The Rude Pundit describing

Ann Coulter in unimaginable ways, INCLUDING calling her a cunt, and DUers complimenting the post, I find no surprise in anything anymore.

[KMOD]

20. You just had to use the word again,

huh?

Feel better?

[TerrapinFlyer]

71. So YOU can use the word, but others can't.

YOU used the word in a post. I don't see ANY difference when someone else use's it.

Living in a glass house?

[Warren DeMontague]

5. I saw that and kept waiting for someone to say something.

People get hides for "jokingly" wishing that sort of thing on murderers sent to prison, and rightly so. It's pretty astounding that something like that is allowed to stand on DU.

[question everything]

6. Anger and frustratin expressed by women

that if you are not, would have hard time understanding this visceral feeling.

[Warren DeMontague]

12. I understand being frustrated with the boston bomber, too. He blew a 6 year old girl's leg off.

Still, it wouldn't be acceptable to wish rape on him here, now, would it?

[question everything]

17. The "rape" is a response to a wand inserted into a woman'a body

when she seeks an abortion.

The Boston bomber did not advocate violating anyone's body THIS way.

[Warren DeMontague]

18. I just don't think it's an okay thing to say.

Which is not to say people don't have every right to be pissed off at Scott Walker.

[FrodosPet]

67. No, he advocated violating people's body another way

With shrapnel.

Both are wrong, but which one is more likely to cause death or incapacitation?

[JI7]

21. if someone posted in anger about how they would like him to feel his body parts getting blown off

people might understand.

[kcr]

28. Exactly

If someone said "I'd like to see him get his leg blown off!" That would be the equivalent and no one would be crying about a double standard. The OP is being disingenuous.

[JI7]

29. yes, the walker issue is about what he himself is advocating for women

an actual issue where women are losing their rights .

[KMOD]

42. The OP posted recently about wanting to smack HRC in the head.

He is more than disingenuous.

[Warren DeMontague]

32. I think you're stretching.

We had people here complaining about Osama Bin Laden being a "kindly old man in his jammies, beloved by children" when he was killed.

Posts talking about how someone "deserves" prison rape get hidden all the time.

I have trouble understanding why this is the ONE case where it's okay to wish something like that on someone.

And believe me, no one is more committed to choice, or appalled by the inane Wisconsin law, than I am. But let's be honest, and consistent- the stuff in that thread doesn't really belong on DU.

[kcr]

38. I think the posts claiming OBL was a "kindly old man" were ridiculous

I also think the OP is ridiculous. I don't get what's so hard to understand about forcing ultrasounds on women and why that makes some angry.

[FrodosPet]

107. The probe is barely inserted

That does not make it right if the procedure is otherwise medically unnecessary. But doctors are not shoving it in so deep that it destroys internal organs. It is an established and very useful procedure for any woman who may be facing pregnancy complications.

Oppose Walker. Give money to any sane opponent that might run against him. Speak out in social media, or better yet, the real world. But to wish violent death on him should be beneath us.

[kcr]

109. So, severity of the rape depends on how deep it goes in?

Tell you what. You can decide what is beneath you. That's perfectly fine. I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is painting those who have fully justified and rational feelings of anger over "probes that just go a little ways in." Perfectly rational and normal thoughts and emotions that don't make the people who have them beneath anyone else and certainly not beneath the ones making these horrific laws.

[JI7]

39. those poor bin laden posts are stupid and usually by a certain type

that often posts things like that. i don't care for them .

this wasn't about prison rape either . it was about the law itself and applying it to walker and said in anger .

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. I am a woman

but as a veteran of EMS where I treated victims of rape, both male and women, I find the joke way over the top.

You want to talk policy. I am all ears. You want to post rape jokes, I am not.

[MADem]

7. DID YOU ALERT ON THE POST WHEN YOU SAW IT???

If not, you are not part of the solution.

[Agschmid]

8. No he decided to post a meta thread instead.

Duh, thats how we handle stuff here in GD.

[MADem]

13. We need to do better.

If we see something we don't like, the place to object is in the thread...

Admins see all alerts, even those that are older than a day!

[Jesus Malverde]

26. It would be helpful if posts that were alerted on

displayed something that indicated they had been sent to a jury or hosts. I'd like to see the jury results attached as well, now we only see them when a juror posts them.

[MADem]

59. It might be something to suggest in ATA.

I think the admins would probably note that if people alert on a post that has already gone to jury, they get a DUMail with the results.

I would guess that the admins take note of the alerts they receive, even the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc., and they probably are factored into consideration when they make the decision to tombstone someone. That's just a guess--I don't have any inside scoop on the process. It stands to reason, though, that if a hundred people hit the alert button on a single post, that "the community" feels that standards have been violated.

I don't know if they want to fiddle with the software to display the results automatically. It would be interesting to see if that made any difference in the willingness of the jurors to comment, though!

[Warren DeMontague]

11. Seems a little unfair.

How about holding the people who actually said that stuff, responsible?

I mean--- a baseball bat? Really?

[Agschmid]

14. Did someone alert on that post?

I agree its out of line.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. It's outside the 24 hour window.

Any alert sent now will go to admin. Nothing wrong with that, of course.

[Agschmid]

16. Yes too old, but if people are offended or feel that something is out of line they need to alert.

Thats just the way the system works.

[KMOD]

68. I didn't know there was a 24 hour window.

However, if you or the OP, or any other member were offended, you should alert.

That's the protocol here.

Complaining about something, 24 hours later seems to be META to me.

My opinion, of course.

[Warren DeMontague]

77. I'm a host of GD, and, full disclosure, I've said since I'm in the thick of this thread

I should probably abstain on it, but if the host consensus is that it's meta, I will certainly support the consensus.

Personally, I know better than to complain about certain things around here because I get shit like "MRA" thrown at me (case in point, look at the alert that was sent on the thread), which couldn't be farther from the fucking truth. Not that I care all that much, but it gets a bit tiresome.

With that thread I admit I was sort of curious as to exactly how long it would take people to notice and speak up about what seemed pretty obvious, to me.

[KMOD]

87. I didn't read the alert, I'll look for it.

People should alert immediately on threads they find offensive. That's my opinion, anyway. I'm not one to alert often, it has to be pretty egregious, and the few alerts I've sent have been on trolls. But since we are community moderated, the community should alert if they are offended and let the jury decide.

That said, the jury system is cray cray lately. But it is, what it is.

[Warren DeMontague]

97. No shit.

Hey, there's only a year or so of primary season left!

[KMOD]

106. .

I'm gonna hide, too.



I wasn't here for the last one, but if this is any indication, uh,

[Fumesucker]

94. What, and have that beautiful train wreck hidden?

I always figure such threads say more about the poster than anything I could possibly add.

[MADem]

19. I don't endorse that post EITHER.

I've never been a fan of "Two wrongs make a right" attempts at mitigation or justification.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. I detest him but I wish him no physical harm. That goes for the rest of the clown car./NT

[Jesus Malverde]

10. yeah that was OTT

45 recs

[ismnotwasm]

22. That's disgusting

No it isn't "ok"

[closeupready]

31. Thanks for this.

[ismnotwasm]

70. No problem

Not cool at all.

[Warren DeMontague]

33. Yeah, pretty much.

Seems cut and dried to me. And I think Scott Walker is a Grade-A Asshole.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. I dislike Republicans. I like to see them humiliated but not physically hurt./NT

[Fumesucker]

25. Forget it Jake

It's DU.

[TreasonousBastard]

27. It has already been established that...

men really don't give a shit about these things. It's just expressions of rage and ultimately meaningless.

I suspect most women don't care much either, except perhaps for more of a distaste for the crudeness of it all.

Some women, however...

Curiously, the homophobic aspects of butt-fucking as a humiliating punishment aren't complained about nearly as often as heterosexual rape fantasies are.

[NCTraveler]

30. Difference is huge.

Said poster simply wants to do to Walker, the party Walker represents, and his abhorrent attack on women; what Walker wants done to us. It is extremely clear. The thought of forcing that procedure on women who have made the decision to have an abortion, as has been don by a Republican, is in itself a violation of human rights, rape, and violates our right to necessary medical care.

[JI7]

34. it wasn't even a joke about Walker

but a person angry over what WAlker is doing to women and saying they want to see walker get the same treatment.

[NCTraveler]

36. Sorry. Bonobo simply linked to this op. I am clearly wrong if what you say is the case.

I was commenting to the op they linked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026776149

[Warren DeMontague]

35. Did you see the post about the baseball bat?

[NCTraveler]

48. Just read it.

Over the top but I still don't think it meets the comparison being made by the op. They are legislating human rights abuses and violence against Scuba. That is extremely personal. I understand and feel the anger.

[Warren DeMontague]

54. I understand the anger, too. But here's a thought experiment:

One of the co-sponsors of the legislation in Wisconsin, is a woman. Wisconsin State Senate President Mary Lazitch.

Logically, she is at LEAST as responsible for this offensive legislation, as Scott Walker is.

Would you be okay with posts advocating the same things being done to her? I wouldn't.

[NCTraveler]

64. No I would not.

I also stated that it was over the top. Normally that isn't considered advocating. My point was that it is understandable and the comparison in the op is extremely flawed.

[Warren DeMontague]

74. Sure, I understand being pissed off about the law. I understand the grievous violation of personal

rights, privacy, and bodily autonomy implied.

But, again- there's at least one woman who is just as responsible for this travesty as Scott Walker is. He says he's gonna sign it, but she helped write the damn thing.

I don't think what is said in that thread is okay, or defensible, even with all the understandable anger, and if it had been directed at all the parties directly responsible for the law I suspect it wouldn't have survived 5 minutes on DU.

Which is why Bonobo's point about the sort of shifting, arbitrary standards for things here is valid IMHO.

[NCTraveler]

86. I truly do understand your point and position.

I do think the comments, not just the bat one, are over the top. I don't think the comparison is valid. With one, said person was being violated in no way. The other, people are legislating away human rights. I am not stating approval. I am saying one is being provoked to the point of abuse being written into law, the other offensive comment was more for kicks. I am also starting to think banning SKP might have been harsh. Not that your or anyone cares or asked. But I have made comments in support of the banning. Even most of the outspoken SKP support here have said SKP underwent changes. I saw some asking him to back off a little before the banning. It is clear they needed a break. By choice or by admins. I have read to many good posts of theirs over the years to dismiss them. That is not advocating for the language SKP used, just as I wasn't advocating for the language the op is directed toward.

[Warren DeMontague]

95. I wasn't buddy-buddy with SKP, myself.

And I don't know what went down behind the scenes. I remember his Newtown OP, that certainly was offensive as all get-out.

But the actual post that got him banned... not acceptable language but I was surprised by it.

[airplaneman]

41. Your post was alerted

On Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Interestingly, a thread advocating anally raping a man with various instruments is A-OK here!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026787996

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

He is referring to a post where Walker and his minion passed a law to forcibly and against will, do harm to a woman for a legal medical procedure. And to allow rapists of women to have the legal right to sue a doctor if the woman chooses an abortion. He is bothered that women suggest that objection be shoved up Walkers ass and felt the need to start an OP in sympathy for Walker. This MRA crap does not belong on DU. Insensitive. Hurtful. Disruptive. Rude. Over the top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:22 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I find this to be an acceptable discussion. No good reason to alert
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: true
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Pointing out hypocrisy should not be censored.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster is correct and this alert is ridiculous.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I agree with the alerter, but my disagreement with the post does not justify hiding. Discuss it. The alerter makes a great point and deserves to be heard in the discussion!
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Really must be a better way to express your disapproval of something... And if I can't post Meta in GD, well, neither can you.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Comrade Grumpy]

99. The censorious feel emboldened. The jury disagrees.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. I know we do not see eye to eye

but when you are correct, you are correct.

I do not alert. It is mostly a waste of my time, but I confronted both "jokers."

I do not care how angry they are... annal rape jokes are not funny. But I expect nothing to happen. After all Walker is a republican... otherism at it's finest.

[kcr]

44. Otherism at its finest? Yeah. Sorry. Let's "Other" the hell out of Republicans.

Particularly when they want to force ultrasound wands in our orifices. Good grief.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. My mom told me once that two wrongs do not make a right

And annal rape jokes are disgusting. Thanks for your advocacy for them.

[kcr]

52. And my mom told me that falsely accusing people of things was wrong.

Scott Walker wants laws that force ultrasounds.

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. Yes, yes he does

and the laws are wrong at multiple levels.. So are annal rape jokes.

[kcr]

58. Yes, anal rape jokes are wrong.

Get back to me when you see some.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. Sure, I will link to it now

I would like to shove the Ultrasound wand [View all]

So far up Scott Walkers ass that it escapes from his mouth.
This bullshit 20 week ban no exception for rape or incest has ZERO to do with women's health or life of the mother. It's about hating women and controlling women. Nothing more, nothing less.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6776149

Pretty clear, and here is the other one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6777566

Those are my dear. rape fantasies, if not outright jokes.

And with that I think we are more than done.

[kcr]

65. I'll repeat. Get back to me when you see some.

Was this a joke about anal rape? Was the subject meant to be anal rape and the object of the humor anal rape? No? Okay then.

The object was obviously the ultrasound law, wasn't it? Righto.

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. I guess our understanding of the english language is different

and some people will rationalize all.

Not that this shocks me at all. This is DU after all.

It is clear as day. At least to those of us who are not infected by partisanship...

I will repeat this once again. The law has more than just a few issues. Wishing to push a wand up Walker's ass is the precise definition of annal rape. For your pleasure here you go/

Rape is the commission of unlawful sexual intercourse or unlawful sexual intrusion. Rape laws in the United States have been revised over the years, and they vary from state to state.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/rape

Have a good evening, we are beyond done.

[kcr]

72. And that is how it's done. The OP turns women's advocates into anal rapers.

and you help him out. Brava! Props to the OP. He's no dummy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. Women advocates can do far better

than allow their anger to get the better of them and use terms that fit legal definitions.



Sorry, but it is what it is.

[kcr]

75. I won't argue that point. Reasonable people can disagree there.

My point is equating the two. I'm objecting to the contention that those advocates are the same as the evildoers with their over the top advocacy. That is what the OP is doing and then claiming there is a double standard. It's baloney.

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. Acutally he is talking about the baning of NYC_SKIP

which might explain our misunderstanding

It seems there is quite the double standard at play here from rules perspective. Of course, it is DU, what rules?

[kcr]

85. Yes, I understand that.

It's baloney. There is no double standard here. Being angry at Scott Walker for forcing ultrasounds in his legislature to the point that one states they wish/would do the same thing to him is not the same thing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

91. In your opinion

but my tolerance for expressions of rape are non existent. Of course this site disagrees, which is far more of the joke anymore.

And with that, I need to go pick up my mom at the airport. Have a good night.

[kcr]

101. My tolerance of expressions of rape are such that if someone says rape jokes are being made on DU?

I'm immediately going to want to see what that's about. Don't think I tolerate rape expressions, either. But I click on the link provided by the OP and find it was expression of outrage over rape. Don't be hoodwinked.

[nadinbrzezinski]

105. I am not hoodwinked

I see what you don't. It is a rape fantasy which is ok. It is the enemy. As I said in the beginning I am all but partisan at this point for that I gotta thank skinner

[kcr]

110. It is not a rape fantasy

The OP presented it out of context. It is a perfectly normal and rational reaction to something as horrific as rape. People fantasize about horrible things happening to people who do horrible things. Often it is the very same horrible act the person did.

[nadinbrzezinski]

111. I gave you the link to the

Original OP and the post using a baseball bat.

Most folks will see that as precisely a rape fantasy. In fact, quite a few here do.

You don't see it I guess that's ok but to my non partisan eyes, and former medic, it is a rape fantasy.

[kcr]

112. Because I'm not taking it out of context

The OP did and he knew how knee jerk so many on DU are and uses that to his advantage. But if one is never allowed to use the context that legislatures using rape as a tool, how will we ever fight against that effectively? I think it is more than relevant to point out how much they wouldn't like it if they had to undergo it themselve-oops! I'm not allowed to say that, that's wishing rape? Bullshit.

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. The original post indeed wished anal rape

It is in the words used

You and are wasting our time though. Beyond clear by now. Have an excellent weekend.

[kcr]

114. Oh, don't think I thought for one minute that minds would be changed.

I never do.

[rhett o rick]

49. What a sad rationalization. "Let's be like Republicons, that will show them." nm

[kcr]

56. What a sad equivalency. "Lets pretend that making statements

in anger to protest harmful laws against the lawmaker is just as bad as the lawmaker himself"

[rhett o rick]

45. For the record, if this thread gets locked, we will have officially entered bizarro world. nm

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Getting this before the lock

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[Warren DeMontague]

57. One of the co-sponsors of this legislation in Wisconsin is female. Senate President Mary Lazitch.

She is, by rights, at least as responsible for this turd of a law, as Scott Walker is.

Am I to understand that the people defending the stuff in that thread, would be okay with it if it was directed at her?

[Violet_Crumble]

103. Thanks for pointing that out. I'd like to see an answer n/t

[Lilith Rising]

60. I think the difference here is that

Scott Walker would have the medical establishment do the non medically necessary and unwanted vaginal ultrasound legally.

All of these other types of rape are illegal and rightly so.

[FrodosPet]

63. We should be better than "them"

I guess I am being naive to believe that we should be fighting our battles with truth, compassion, and a goal of opening minds, as opposed to sinking to the level of name calling and glorification of violence.

[Puzzledtraveller]

66. Definitely tasteless at best.

I am never one to wish harm, so I avoid threads that border on such. I know which one you are talking about though because I saw the op title.

[Luminous Animal]

76. I agree with you but I find it interesting that you've zero posts protesting against women raped by

the state. Because that is what a forced vaginal ultrasound is. Rape.

That she advocates for rape against rape is unfortunate. That you call her out without advocating against rape ivy the state… that you don't recognize that her plaint is against state rape is unfortunate.

[Warren DeMontague]

78. The law in question is a travesty.

To say the least.

[Cali_Democrat]

88. Why don't you have any posts protesting state-sanctioned rape of women....

via forced vaginal ultrasounds?

Instead you seem more outraged about a post on an anonymous message board which would never actually happen in real life.

Meanwhile women are actually under siege and GOPers are trying to pass laws which would actually lead to the state-sanctioned rape of women......not a peep or OP from you displaying your outrage about that.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.......

[uppityperson]

98. Rape is nothing to wish on anyone, no matter the provocation and those who excuse such talk

should be ashamed. There are better ways of expressing your disgust with someone's position, policy or crimes.

[Violet_Crumble]

104. + 1000 n/t

[kcr]

108. I'm sorry, but I think it's shameful to ascribe the same motives to those outraged at the law

as those who make the law. You don't have to agree with such advocacy or wish to advocate the same way, but the OP's attempts to disguise the motive behind the post and present it out of context in order to make a false equation is wrong. I think it deliberately set the person who made that post up for such shaming that you and others are dishing out. Because who's going to defend a rape joke, right? No one is going to go into a straight up rape joke thread and then support that, even if it turns out to be not quite that straight forward. So shady.

I don't actually ever want to lift a finger to hurt, rape or kill another human being, but I feel anger and outrage and feelings of revenge all the same. Most people do. I don't support the death penalty, but it does't mean I don't fantasize about the horrible things I wish would happen to some of the awful people I hear about, for example. How do some of you self righteous people even want to effect change if you really don't ever feel those emotions? I think you do and just don't admit it.

[yewberry]

115. I'm sorry to say

that I don't find it at all surprising that you've chosen to address this issue this way.

I personally have no real issue with wishing that Scott Walker should have to suffer the same fate that he is happy to assign to others. If Scott Walker legally sanctions rape, then he should be subject to the same process. Beyond that, specifically the 'Louisville Slugger' remark, I certainly don't condone such a thing. Ever. Not under any circumstances.

However, given your particular history, I am unfortunately unsurprised that you have chosen to wait out the 24 hour window rather than address the post(s) in question directly. Part of our responsibility as members of this community is to actually police ourselves. You chose to abdicate that responsibility in hopes of posting a 'gotcha' OP meant to perpetuate your perception that men's issues are not treated with the importance you would prefer to see them. Congrats.

I'm going to go back to Scott Walker on this. If he signs a bill legalizing required vaginal penetration (rape) by the state, he deserves the same.

[TexasTowelie]

116. Locking thread.

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