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the most misogynistic word in the US, got someone the ban hammer.
Makes me feel a bit better about the place, in that it will not be tolerated.
treestar
(82,383 posts)We should not tolerate that word or the others like it in regards to black people, gay people, or others.
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Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)and was quoting another poster.
boston bean
(36,229 posts)mitigate the offense... which is obviously at odds with what the admin felt.
I am grateful to the admin for taking the stand.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)that's all
boston bean
(36,229 posts)and most importantly, thankfully, the admin recognized it as well.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)You will not be able to, he did not and you can not change facts. Yes, democrats are smart and they also know what facts are.
Have a great day😀
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)for using that WORD, that he didn't actually use. But lots of other people did when talking about it.
boston bean
(36,229 posts)versus, discussion of why the usage of word in a derogatory fashion is vile and misogynistic.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)and you can not show a post where he did. The facts are on our side.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I actually stated fear of the ban hammer for linking to two, it took two, different dictionary definitions. This place is nuts, but at least I know it.
And no he never used the word. Them are sucky cute facts.
No issue with me. Will further break the site along warring camps. This will be one damn entertaining silly season: now with more spleen (tm).
At this point this place is good for that. So pass the popcorn.
It will also be one where the banning and the purge is just beginning. And you are not new. People will be banned for sneezing.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Of course it might be different if it was a quote of another poster, as in this case
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)EVERYONE knew what he meant. Just because he made it into a spoonerism doesn't make it any less offensive. You know that.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I think both deserved hides. I feel the same way for all of the times it was used on another woman here and not a word was said about it, because she was a republican. What I do not like is the hypocrisy and selective enforcement.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Who else was not banned for refererencing Hillary with an allusion to the c-word?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)In the past. I hate her political views but she is still a woman and should never have been called some if the things she was. And nobody said a word as far as I remember.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)2. We do not enforce rules in posts against Rightwingers that we do in posts against Democrats because this is a Democratic board where we can get away from the non-stop Rightwing hate machine you see on so many boards out there like Yahoo!.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)About rightwingers? I think sexism should be out of bounds for all and male and females.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Two wrongs do not make a right and I do not condone it at all.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Calling me a name, kind of childish in my opinion.
Duckhunter is not about hunting FYI, it is about my air defense service time.
Amazing where some plant their flags.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:03 AM - Edit history (1)
They just won't see it and it only feeds the fire! I hear what you are saying and understand. Truth, in this day and age is filtered through anger, indignance and prescription drugs. It's like the spines on a nail. The nail, or spin in this case,went into the board with one smooth blow. Pulling it out, proving the truth, can be impossible! the more you pull, the harder it gets. Have a great day! : )
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,540 posts)see a long time poster banned for a silly mistake. Haven't seen any evidence, but I do trust the admins.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But there are a few places the quote of his post is posted. His journal post also says the same thing. He was quoting a troll poster and the "C" word was actually never used except by one of the admins in the ban message explanation.
Kingofalldems
(38,540 posts)the post he quoted. And both were PPR'ed.
Am I wrong?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But people are stating he said a word he actually did not.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)like me saying "puck the folice" and then trying to claim I was really just innocently talking about hockey. "Well, you see officer, in hockey when the puck parts the goalies hair, you know hair follicles that's called pucking the folice."
Although I now say that folice is my word for "fascist police", or a cop abusing his authority, and yes "puck them".
We really all know better what was really said and really meant. It does not wash to play disingenuous.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)The frontrunner has enough to worry about already without having this insult plunked down clumsily at her.
Will she ever recover. Thank you administrators for your courage, and showing how blind many of us are because we did not see "him" call anyone by truly the worst word in the entire language of every country in the world and would have dismissed it as silliness. Of course it was not silliness; it was a treacherous remark and NYC_SKP was lying in wait for months waiting for a chance to call her that name.
Phew, what a relief you're here to protect her and us other dumb whimpering helpless females....
I'm assuming (wrongly?) that sarcasm is permitted. Why else would there be an avatar for it? I missed one that says "Just kidding." Is it an oversight on your part on this otherwise perfect site that just maybe could have avoided this mess?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)against Hillary Clinton is unacceptable behavior here.
And NYC_SKP did intend to call her that. He hates Clinton like most of us hated Bush.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)between "did intend" and "did"
But the sooner we drop the topic, the better. I was a bit taken back to see the first post I read opening up this contraption this morning was about the bigoted hate speech.
Enough is enough.
No more today.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)It is obvious in context.
Cha
(298,319 posts)his journal?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/~NYC_SKP
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)He never said the "C" word as you posters keep stating in error. Thanks for linking to his actual words and notice what word is not in there.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)rather that he used a spoonerism/tongue-twister to do so.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)many posters and even in this post say he USED that WORD and he did not.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)"Citizens United Never Timid" didn't spell the word out either, but it certainly used it.
Cha
(298,319 posts)I say that to myself every day, over an over.
It can be a tongue twister!
"Jun 4, 2015 Called Hillary Clinton the c-word. Thought he was being clever about it. He was not."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=221412&sub=trans
Cha
(298,319 posts)If she's not ready to handle spontaneous exchanges,
she is not fit for the Presidency. This is all smoke and mirrors, IMO. Yes, I am voting for Bernie but just thinking of her even pulling such a cunning stunt is pretty shockingly appalling.
I'm not sayin'--I'm just sayin'...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6775879
How SKP responded..
I say that to myself every day, over an over.
It can be a tongue twister!
Posted it in his journal too.. with a big wave at the end..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/~NYC_SKP
zappaman
(20,606 posts)A few minutes and he would not have been able to post his laughs since the troll got zapped pretty quickly.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)It was obvious...and that's the point...he called her that in a round-about way, so the word just might as well be there...but you knew, that didn't you?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Until after the fact from these posts. The fact is still correct he never used the "C" word.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Perhaps it is the company we keep.
For god sakes, I work with language every day and I was quite clueless. The same goes with many other posters.
That said, this is becoming quite entertaining.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)some did not get it
but having it explained, should then understand it.
Of course, it COULD be a real phrase used innocently by somebody in the dark (and then many people would not believe it was really innocent) but in this case, it is pretty obvious it was not innocent.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I see it as the official start of the 2016 purge. Those of us who have been around long enough are far from surprised by that.
It is eggshell season. I keep my serious content off site for a good reason
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)sometimes even the wrong people.
The last line makes it obvious "it's quite a tongue twister".
I was here in 2007 (but after 2004) and I remember more flames than eggshells. People often went over the top attacking the other candidate and the other candidate's supporters. Obamabots, Boggers, sensible woodchucks, etc. Purists who want a pony, etc.
There should be lines, there should be courtesy. People should at least TRY to follow certain rules of decency and politeness even if it is easy to get carried away in passionate advocacy.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Because I will be told I want a pony sooner or later.
Unequal and biased enforcement of rules and allowing stalkers and bullies is what adds to the wtf about these times.
This is silly season: with more spleen (tm).
And the juries (what a joke) make those rules even more clear than the thickest lava at mt doom.
But certain groups have always gotten away with a lot. Why I take this ban as a shot across the bow. And my candidate is big money, not any of the clowns on either side.
This is by desig by the way and far from accidental. This place is anymore a place to be entertained by. You want serious discussion on anything, not here.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)I, for one, grew up in a home which was surrounded by love of words, language and lyrics. My days were filled with alliteration, spoonerisms, rhyming, and overall love of language.
Yes, I recognize spoonerisms immediately because of the benefit of the company of an amazing family. You didn't get it? OK. But don't imply those of us who did and do get it understand it because we're not as pure as little old you.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)This surprises me in the least.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But I don't need to engage you any further,
Please have the last word.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Alerting...
marble falls
(57,854 posts)Posting Privileges Revoked
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Jun 4, 2015 Called Hillary Clinton the c-word. Thought he was being clever about it. He was not.
For more information see Terms of Service
EarlG
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Cha
(298,319 posts)But, mahalo
Ms. Toad
(34,164 posts)Feel the Bern.
If she's not ready to handle spontaneous exchanges,
she is not fit for the Presidency. This is all smoke and mirrors, IMO. Yes, I am voting for Bernie but just thinking of her even pulling such a cunning stunt is pretty shockingly appalling.
I'm not sayin'--I'm just sayin'...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6775879
(Posted here by a member of MIRT - http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6778538)
Cha
(298,319 posts)If she's not ready to handle spontaneous exchanges,
she is not fit for the Presidency. This is all smoke and mirrors, IMO. Yes, I am voting for Bernie but just thinking of her even pulling such a cunning stunt is pretty shockingly appalling.
I'm not sayin'--I'm just sayin'...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6775879
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Look, I personally don't think he should have been banned, but there is no justification whatsoever for what he posted. It was offensive. That he was quoting someone else, and that he didn't actually use the word, that doesn't make it any better.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Cowering behind implication results in the same message... it merely allows the person to rationalize his sexist remarks, and gives the irrational thinker a reason to justify it as something benign.
All too often, the coward hides behind tokens and insinuations. More often than not, that same cowering will be defended and advertised as martyrdom by the dogmatic and close-minded.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)rather than ending the poster, and that a Hide would have served this purpose, no? If the behavior continues, then the ban is more justified. But I am not anyone here, just my opinion, and I know we are not supposed to argue such things, so I will let it go.
LexVegas
(6,125 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)and he did not use that WORD did he
LexVegas
(6,125 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)that he never actually used the word you all said he did. That is just not factual. Sorry if it bothers you.
LexVegas
(6,125 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Some are still feigning ignorance and justifying it. In reality, this is a conversation about equality and respect. Some would like to simply brush it away.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)How many threads can we have on income inequality before you deem them to be copycat ops? This is suppose to be a progressive board and discussions with respect to equality and sexism should never be diminished or dismissed. A past member of this board, who has displayed sexist behavior on more than one occasion, has been banned. Some are feigning ignorance, supporting that behavior, or want it glossed over. There is no better time for discussion and it is most likely the greatest contribution to this board that member has ever made. I think you should reframe your mindset on this one. It is blatantly apparent that sexism needs to be discussed here. If it makes some feel uncomfortable or they feel the need to dismiss it, so be it.
Cha
(298,319 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Quite a few of us were ignorant of the "spoonerism". Many just feel the punishment was excessive as it has been used before and not even hidden.
Cha
(298,319 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Trying to make it bigger than it is. The things women are subject to here and people are tripping over each other attempting to justify a pattern of sexist behavior. Thankfully the admins won't tolerate that pattern. Real eye opener.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Among themselves that might work. I don't know. But it is obvious both online and in real life that it does not work. I see these idiots do the same thing in the bars all the time. One guy surrounded by a dozen other people calling him an idiot, but the one guy is all puffed up believing that he won the argument by pretending to be stupid.
Actually, it just makes them assholes.
And it is insulting. The only way the argument works is if anyone else is stupid enough to believe it. So by implication they are saying they believe we are that stupid.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I think I can figure out who you mean.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)I'm sure people would have been talking about it.
marble falls
(57,854 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)marble falls
(57,854 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Response to boston bean (Original post)
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boston bean
(36,229 posts)What a disgusting post.
marble falls
(57,854 posts)Cha
(298,319 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)When was the ban hammer?
Oh my my my...
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)times per day
marble falls
(57,854 posts)marble falls
(57,854 posts)Cha
(298,319 posts)exception. It was 7-0.
marble falls
(57,854 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)about their agenda.
Even though they're a pathetic low-life loser.
LexVegas
(6,125 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)The torrent of hate against women in this country will rear up, just like yours, but all you'll have is your hate and whining. Pathetic.
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Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)It called the OP, and Hillary, the c-word.
And you must have also missed the last 7 years of draconian reproductive laws. When it is men's turn to get forced wand exams in their nether regions, come back and talk to me about hate. And that's just one example. One.
-none
(1,884 posts)This thread seems more in celebration of getting someone banned.
Why brag about it?
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Grave dancing has been a refined tradition here since Opening Day.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...which is DU at its near-worst.
Cha
(298,319 posts)the Admins thought that crossed the line.. no matter how clever he thought he was being.
The majority seem to be in accordance with it.. and wish to voice it.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)I do believe the minority can be right and the majority can be wrong - but I don't agree with the minority misrepresenting itself as being the majority.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Wherever it may rear its ugly head, regardless of the cause (I am usually quite supportive of women's issues and agree that NYC_SKP was way out of line and deserved some kind of punishment). Had the poll not been locked by the same person dealing out the heavy-handed punishment, hundreds could have voted - I'm sure you would then argue that there are thousands of DUers. I have little patience for that kind of thing. A clear majority (81%) of those responding to the poll believed that NYC_SKP should have received a suspension or warning rather than being banned. It's unlikely that the percentage would have changed much with more people voting - you know it and I know it and everyone else does too including EarlG.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)majority when it was indeed only 42 ppl. I could personally couldn't give a shit one or the other that the guy was banned. I'm more entertained by the flame out it's causing here, but that's standard around here every few months or so.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)The admin is feeling the heat on this one, that's not something that I've ever seen after a PPR. Usually there are a few people who disagree with their decision - but never such an obvious majority. This is a long-term issue that will fester for years if they let it.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)for a girl.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)I can also do a head stand in the pool longer than my kids.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)That the language used was a reference to a slur is clear, and action was warranted. But the celebration seems proportional to the number of posts/length of time of the poster. The endless gloating about it is revealing.
boston bean
(36,229 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)boston bean
(36,229 posts)Here, let me help, you said..
My question to you was who got NYC_SKP banned... and provided the answer I felt was correct, which was NYC_/SKP got himself banned.
Let me ask a further question... Are you meaning that the admins measure their worth in getting people banned? If not them, then who are you talking about.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)If you had bothered to actually read my post, I said that action was warranted on NYC_SKP's post, which indicates you didn't read what I wrote.
boston bean
(36,229 posts)Who are you talking about?
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)I vowed long ago not to bother with people who can't or won't read.
boston bean
(36,229 posts)Response to boston bean (Reply #80)
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boston bean
(36,229 posts)See, I can read and I can comprehend what someone is saying or writing.
Cha
(298,319 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Everyone I have read agrees it was a slur. Was the WORD used, no. A lot just think the ban was excessive and it has been used other times with no ban. I just do not care for the selective enforcement.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)I did not make any excuses for anyone. Unless you choose to deliberately misread my post and substitute in words of choosing, in which case you can continue the conversation on your own. No need for me to say anything if you are just going
to accuse me of saying what you wish I had said.
Cha
(298,319 posts)fine.. particularly the last sentence to which I was responding..
"The endless gloating about it is revealing."
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Good to know.
Cha
(298,319 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)Put's you into the the category where you think you get to decide what I said, instead of actually reading what I said.
Have a good weekend.
LexVegas
(6,125 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)About the things said about Palin. Sometimes the hypocrisy astounds me when it comes to things like this.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)I sure was because calling a woman a c--t is a slur on all women including the young widow who raised me.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And the silence was deafening
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)There has to be a better way of expressing dislike of someone without referring to their gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, et cetera.
Sometimes an asshole is just an asshole.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)There is a poster that has a derogatory picture about males that has been around and is still being used. I guess that is OK.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)What's in the photo?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Shamash
(597 posts)There is plenty of hate speech here. A lot of us are subjected to it on a daily basis. It's perfectly acceptable to slag any liberal you want with any insult you want as long as they are in a certain minority. Using particular code words because you can't get away with saying something outright is not limited to the conservative side of spectrum.
What bothers me more is the attitude of these people. They want to say worse than they actually do, so whether they actually say a bad word or not is irrelevant to whether they are a useful part of the discussion.
Personally, I think a "hide" would have been sufficient and the hide/show ratio would let someone know the popular sentiment about that choice of words. The ban has probably generated more polarization and ill will than the original comment could have.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Is there a rankings list I can examine?
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)People get banned and hidden for posting all types of stuff...much of which shouldn't even be alerted on. You've been here long enough to know that.
Sancho
(9,073 posts)because NYC_SKP knew exactly what they were doing. Over and over again, there were posts and reposts of what I called "bashing" way beyond dealing with the issues. What's more, and this is the important thing:
HYC_SKP often pushed around the rules tying to be clever while continuing an agenda. The intent was obvious.
No matter what candidate you support, DU doesn't need to allow the behaviors of a few disrupt the discussions of the many. Some behaviors should not be allowed and the rules should flexible enough that the mods can "know it when they see it".
A few hidden posts is a warning. Others who argue and point out why the style is over the top is a warning. Eventually, it's too much. Frankly, the more NYC_SKP got away with skirting the rules, the more extreme the next time became until the limit was reached.
Is there any doubt as to knowledge of the rules and attempt to circumvent the rules? In this case, absolutely not!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)dumbcat
(2,120 posts)I didn't like the guy and I am glad he was banned.
Plenty more people need banning around here.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)We do not have a purity test to pass, most would fail for one reason or another.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)to post here you have to be a Democrat. That is pretty clear.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And democrats have nany different opinions on the issues.
R B Garr
(17,026 posts)Those same people who have done nothing but use conspiracy theories and take virtually everything related to Hillary out of context in such an outrageous and ridiculous manner -- now they are bent out of shape because SKP might have been taken out of context. LOL.
His comments about Hillary were becoming increasingly irrational. Just completely irrational, so it's no wonder he resorted to such baseness. The degeneration in his contempt was obvious and really uncalled for as is a lot of the irrational posting about her. Just the other day there was a thread here about the DNC chair raising money for Clinton, yet on Lawrence O'Donnell's show, the real story was about Jeb Bush raising unprecedented amounts of money as an undeclared candidate and no one mentioned it. Only Hillary hate gets attention. Sickening.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)A bit of trivia: Across the pond in the UK, it is also applied to males.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Have a very positive use of the word. Not that it matters really. They got a scalp
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Forum purpose: Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. Conspiracy theories and disruptive meta-discussion are forbidden. For more information, click here.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)My apologies.
There was host consensus when I first locked it, but some feel this should be left open for the sake of balance.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)I was getting really pissed off about this getting locked with some of the other crap that is still standing.
GoneOffShore
(17,346 posts)So glad you feel better.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I won't hold my breath, and i doubt you are going to, either.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Somebody had it in for him because he was taking a lot of very unpopular positions for DU and doing it loudly and often. They were waiting for him to slip up and step on his dick and he gave them the opportunity.
The whole episode should be a cautionary message to anybody her who holds some opinions that might offend the more tight assed among us. If you favor the second amendment, if you don't like Ms Clinton, watch your step.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)it is part of silly season
And for the record, there is a reason why I do not post content here as much as I used to. This is one reason.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Says who?
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