Republicans are starting to worry about Sanders

[kenfrequed]

That consummate liar George Will just wrote a piece about Sanders where he tries to attack him on all possible fronts and turn as many people from him as possible.

His article complains that Sanders isn't a real socialist, suggests that Sanders is pursuing a Greek model, both stands against transfers of wealth while proclaiming republicans do it better, belittles and lauds Hillary Clinton within a paragraph, and generally makes an ass of himself.

Half truths, lies, and creative omissions make most of his arguments. I will not encourage hits on anything he writes. If you feel masochistic enough to actually look at it feel free.

By the way his wife is working for that idiot Scott Walker and we all know what a train wreck the economy of Wisconsin is.

In my mind the broader point is that republicans may actually want to run against Hillary more than Bernie. They have spent practically a decade preparing for it and to have it all toseed by some wild, plain speaking, progressive grandfather from Vermont means they have to throw their whole playbook right out the window.

[Scuba]

1. George will is a quivering blob of santorum.

[imthevicar]

11. Best insult I ever heard was...

you are a quivering gob of feculent lizard feces!

[truebluegreen]

2. I agree regarding their preference for an opponent:

Hillary is a far easier target for a crowd that has been hatin' on the Clintons for years. And funnily enough, they have even inoculated Bernie from the "socialist" title by (laughably) trying to pin it on Obama lo these many years.

[philosslayer]

3. No, they aren't.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Your mind is correct

Clinton is filet mug on to the base, like it was in 2008. This is the 1990s all over.

Any other democrat does not activate their base nearly as much. Sanders will be the easiest...damn commie. But the people who were children when the wall gel do not react to red baiting as well as older Americans.

[Robbins]

5. Of course they want to run against Hillary

she is her dream.Her negatives are through the roof.

Bernie's ideas aren't as radical as some want you to believe.And people respect he is genuine

Bernie will go on any news shows.Hillary won't do that.

[daleanime]

19. +1

[Jester Messiah]

76. All of their plans and strategies would have assumed Hillary as an opponent

All their ammo goes out the window if she fails to take the nomination. So I imagine what we'll see is a sort of "unholy alliance" between Repubs and Hil operatives to take down Bernie and O'Malley, and anyone else who might jeopardize the script.

[deutsey]

6. Will has always struck me as someone

who is very comfortable inside the pure, ideological world of abstractions he inhabits in his mind.

[Hiraeth]

8. nicely put.

[Mr.Bill]

9. George Will is very articulate

but not that intelligent or well connected with reality.

Being articulate and being intelligent are often mistaken for each other.

[daleanime]

22. True....

[pangaia]

15. He has always struck me as someone who is very uncomfortable

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with how comfortable he fools himself into believing he feels about himself.

Got that?

In other words, he hides from himself.

[deutsey]

18. Ok

[hifiguy]

49. He's a stupid person's idea

of what a smart person sounds like.

[progressoid]

51. +1

I like that.

[BrotherIvan]

67. There you go

[LordGlenconner]

7. "Bernie" supporters and Will readers

Can't imagine there is a whole helluva lot of crossover there.

[kenfrequed]

10. I did a google for Bernie Sanders news

Will's stupidity came up somewhere in the middle of a search based on news from the last 24 hours. The last thing I heard from George Will was on CSPAN when he was plugging his book on baseball about a decade ago. The last memorable thing was from Michael Moore's old tv show where he mocked George Will during the Clinton impeachment scandal.

So yeah, (heh) a big crossover of three times in almost twenty years.

[pangaia]

21. MEN AT WORK was actually pretty well written.

Problem was, he made an extremely narrow selection of the type of ball players about whom to write. Very 'intellectual' types, like him.
Now, an intellectual type does not necessary mean one has any 'smarts.' It means one functions mainly from the brain. The other two centers are weak and do not function properly-- the feelings and the body.
For example, people who drive a car with their brain are really dangerous. Like my ex-wife, bless her heart..

BUNTS is just a piling together of old newspaper articles he wrote so he could cash in .

[hifiguy]

68. As as political columnist,

Will is a good baseball writer.

[pangaia]

71. Good one. :>)))

[daleanime]

23. Actually, I hate to say it.....

but I thought he was dead.

[kenfrequed]

30. Heh

The only thing dead is his relevance.

[JDPriestly]

12. If you can't think of any other reason to support Bernie, this is it.

"Republicans may actually want to run against Hillary more than Bernie. They have spent practically a decade preparing for it . . . "

Republicans don't know how to approach Bernie. They can call him any name in the book. He remains who he is -- honest, truthful and dedicated to the best interests of the American people.

And there is no way the Republicans can do anything about him. He is a force of his own.

The Republicans have nothing, nothing because what he says about them is simply the truth.

The Republicans don't want the rich to pay their fair share of taxes based on their income and wealth.

The Republicans want to destroy Social Security.

The Republicans don't want you and me to have health care so they want to destroy Medicare and Medicaid and do away with subsidies that make modern healthcare available to those of us who have it.

The Republicans don't want our kids to be able to go to college. They only want that for rich kids.

The Republicans think they can outsource and export all the jobs and still sell products in America at high profit margins.

The Republicans think they can fool all the people all the time.

On that last one, we shall see.

Bernie is a moral man, but unlike most generally less moral Republicans, he has the ability, actually the humility (a moral virtue if there ever was one), to laugh at himself in spite of it.

You just can't beat Bernie.

I think there is a very good chance that Bernie will be our candidate.

[NRaleighLiberal]

14. +1. as always!

[kenfrequed]

17. Agreed!

They can't touch Bernie and they know it.

[daleanime]

24. Hell yes....

[turbinetree]

31. Your insight on why I support Bernie hits it right out of the park

I could not have said it any better.




Will is beside himself and his world of delusional right wing grandeur-like he is soothe sayer and all of his words are wisdom from atop some S****T hole.
He is trying is hardest to marginalize Sanders, all of them are trying to do it,........in some form another from the likes of the Will---less of the world and there right wing agenda of hate and fear and hypocrisy..
The Greeks got it right, finally, they were sold a bill of goods and its bankrupted them completely buy the likes of Goldman Sach's and the Will's of the world

But this man , Sanders has said from day one...........its not about me its about ------------
IT IS ABOUT the ISSUES facing this country and I will not attack anyone-----------its only a distraction from the ISSUES


Sanders has gotten my support and whatever else I can do to get him to be elected-------------its about the U.S. Supreme Court and the ISSUES

Great Post

[hifiguy]

69. I think you have driven the nail squarely through the 2 x 4.

They WANT to run against HRC, though it's debatable that any of the current klowns on the bus could beat her. But she provides what Rummy the Dummy called a target rich environment.

[Art_from_Ark]

75. Hear hear!

[Cryptoad]

13. Worry?

The GOP is clandestinely supporting Bernie in hopes of weakening Hillary.... Worry? I think not!

[kenfrequed]

16. Uhm huh?

They really aren't.

I know there are a lot of people that want to believe that for some odd reason but aside from a few ridiculous tweets what is your evidence for this?

[Cryptoad]

27. Let those with ears hear!

[AgingAmerican]

20. Fear is a better word

They fear him.

[daleanime]

25. Well, to be honest....

they fear everything.

[kenfrequed]

28. Too true!

They are afraid of damned near everything and their entire policy both foreign and domestic reeks of said fear!

[Cryptoad]

32. but those back of the GOP curtain,,,,,,

contrary to poplar belief , they have no fear and are by no standard stupid!

[Dawgs]

39. WTF!!

No they're not.

[LanternWaste]

40. You have objective sources supporting you allegation, yes?

You have objective sources supporting you allegation, yes? Or is that merely another guess... a prophecy we should accept on faith rather than valid and relevant evidence?

[kenfrequed]

44. No

I asked him the same question and got "let those with ears hear" or some such nonsense as an answer. I don't think he actually has any proof of his absurd assertion anymore than I believe he is actually a Bernie Sanders supporter.

[Cryptoad]

50. So you don't think it makes sense

for the GOP to covertly support Bernie against HRC. Really? if so, you have very little knowledge of how politics works in this day and time. Yes I am a progressive but still have good grip on the reality that Bernie has a snowball chance in hades of winning. but the better he does , the more influence us progressives will have on policy making by whoever wins.....

[kenfrequed]

55. I asked for evidence.

In fact multiple people have asked you for evidence. Without it you are just stabbing fellow democrats in the back with BS accusations in order to favor your own personal candidate.

Again, where is your evidence.

[Cryptoad]

56. I never said I had evidence.

it common knowledge amongst people who have any understanding of politics. Its called an opinion,,,,,. geeez

[kenfrequed]

57. Yeah...

This is your quotation. You now have acknowledged you have no evidence to support it.


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"The GOP is clandestinely supporting Bernie in hopes of weakening Hillary.... Worry? I think not!"

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You admitted to having no evidence and stated it was "common knowledge" and then you said it is just an "opinion"



Isn't it time for you to leave?

[Cryptoad]

59. So according to you, people are no longer allowed to express their opionons

really? yes what I said is common knowledge and yes in my opinion it is true. Sorry to be the one to inform you but there are other people in this world who have opinions that differ from yours, live with it!

[kenfrequed]

60. Sure...

That is exactly what I said... in fantasyland.

I asked for evidence and you couldn't back it up. Done.

[Cryptoad]

61. So.... you think it fantasyland

That's your opinion ,,,,,, live with it!

[kenfrequed]

62. E is for the evidence

Which you seem to be lacking.

If you cannot back up your claims then they are false. Not really an opinion, just a rejection of a permise that you have not supported.

[Exilednight]

63. They're not. They're supporting Hillary same way Obama supported Romney in 2012. They're pick-

ing our candidate for us in the same way Obama picked Romney.

Throw a little red meat to their base with Benghazi and SoS emails and their base is happy to taste a little blood. They're also hope the Democratic base rallies to Hillary's defense and throw their support behind her on baseless attacks. The third part is to hope that independents that don't vote in the primary have seeds of doubted planted in their mind before the GOP unleashes the 1 1/2 decades worth of opposition research they've been salivating over.

[Cryptoad]

64. So you think the GOP had rather run against HRC than Bernie

I don't think so. They would gain a great number of middle voters in the General if Bernie were to win the primary.

[Exilednight]

65. I don't think it, I know. It's the exact same plan Obama ran.

[hifiguy]

70. Take yer meds.

[Octafish]

26. George Will is a traitor.

The turd worked for the Washington Post while at the same time helping Ronald Reagan steal Jimmy Carter's presidential debate briefing book.


The Hypocrisy of George Will

http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/the-hypocrisy-of-george-will/


That campaign cell also did the dirty dealings with the Ayatollah to hold the hostages past the general election. Ask Judge Silberman.

https://consortiumnews.com/2013/02/17/the-lenfant-plaza-hotel-mystery/

[GoneFishin]

29. They would also prefer to lose to Hillary whose economic policies they share.

[kenfrequed]

33. Additional proof

The republicans sent out this letter stating that they would ban any candidate that takes part in unofficially sanctioned republican debates. Which basically means any debates not sponsored by Fox News.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sorry-bernie-sanders-no-inter-party-primary-debate-for-you/article/2565521#!

They have heard Bernie's request and are very afraid of cross party debates. I already posted it in the Bernie Room, but anyone that has some time and knows of a republican candidate in town should go to one of their events and get them on video answering the following questions:

"Why is the republican party afraid to debate Bernie Sanders"

"Why are you personally afraid to debate Bernie Sanders."

Youtube it, Face book it, and share the hell out of it!

[PADemD]

47. Cross Party Debates

That should be very easy to accomplish using video tape. Just use Republican talking points publicly uttered by a specific candidate and then show a rebuttal by Bernie Sanders. It would not have to be an actual moderated debate, more like a political ad.

[SpankMe]

34. I respect George Will, and I used to read him a lot.

He's very intelligent and put forth arguments that were well reasoned, fact-based and that challenged my nominally liberal worldview.

But, he's drifted in the last few years to become a grumpy goon with with "reasoning" that's really a stretch and with very skewed interpretation of facts. His critique of liberals used to be constructive and thought provoking. Today, it's just turd-tossing that looks more Limbaugh-esque than the intellectual delivery of William F. Buckly, Jr.

Will is 74 or 75 years old he pulls his medicare card out of his wallet on interview shows and dismissively snorts that he never uses it. Maybe he's starting to duffer some diminishments due to age.

[kenfrequed]

36. Agree to disagree

Sorry, his speeches during the stupid impeachment of Bill Clinton make me disagree with your assessment. Whatever my opinon on Clinton's trade policy I cannot rationalize the stupid witch-hunt against him.

[magical thyme]

35. link please?

[kenfrequed]

37. Oh dear gods... don't make me. Fine.

Here, I hope you are happy.

Mostly joking, but I really do hate linking articles like this.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419266/bernie-sanderss-socialist-charade-george-will

[magical thyme]

38. heh! Simple request and you think I "made" you do it...

years of training horses is paying off

Seriously, Will also erroneously suggests that Bernie wants to model Greece. When he has explicitly referred to Scandinavian countries as models of successful democratic socialism.

And on my visit over there, I noticed a correction re: Malkin's misidentified empty supermarket shelves photo.

Somehow they forgot to correctly id the supermarket as American

[kenfrequed]

58. I like to think of myself as more dog than horse.

But yeah, Will screws this up all over the map.

And I saw the Malkin piece and almost started laughing at her nonsense. They are just so bloody transparent in their lies. I guess she thought no one would care because it was in Venezeula.

[Orsino]

41. I don't think Will has much to do with the Republican Party.

He's been living in his own even tinier bubble for many years.

[kenfrequed]

42. Well...

Considering how prominent he was in a search for Sanders news I would say he must have some prominence within his party. I can't see any reason to ignore something that popped up in multiple magazines and newspapers (according to my last search for this article)

[Orsino]

45. He used to provide an intellectual gloss to conservative lies.

He even tried over-the-top lies of his own, but all those big words he used have lost him the base as a readership. Homeboy just doesn't understand the modern GOP obsessions with weiners, Meskins and Jayzus.

[kenfrequed]

46. Ok, I will grant you that one.

Yes pulling back my memory I suppose he gave Republicans that could pass their SAT's something to do. Since those are in shorter supply these days his relevance may be fading.

[peecoolyour]

43. Republicans on both sides of the aisle. nt

[Donald Ian Rankin]

48. Not merely are they not worried, they're not even salivating.

Republicans feel about Democrats picking Sanders as their candidate roughly the way Democrats feel about Republicans picking Carson or Fiorina - a dream come true, but not going to happen, so not worth wasting energy hoping for.

[kenfrequed]

53. Of course they are.

Republicans love it when working class issues like wage, poverty, income disparity, and the right to organize labor unions take center stage.

Oh wait...

By the way, I was being sarchastic.

[KamaAina]

52. "some wild, plain speaking, progressive grandfather from Vermont"

Doremus Jessup, who fought American fascism in Sinclair Lewis' It Can't Happen Here, pretty much fits that description as well.

[kenfrequed]

54. Heh...

I hadn't considered that at all, but it is appropriate I guess.

[Babel_17]

66. Yeah, pretty tortured logic from Will

I guess his heart wasn't in it, but he felt obligated to turn in an obligatory hit piece. For his audience it's not laughably implausible, so job well done.
It's background noise/fodder to be filed away in case Sanders is their opponent. That Will feels the need to put it out there in the first place is what's interesting. On The McLaughlin Group, JM himself rated Sanders as having a very real chance. Makes me wonder what he and Will are privy to.

Edit: Link to what I read. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanderss-socialist-charade/2015/06/03/5a905c44-0952-11e5-95fd-d580f1c5d44e_story.html

[grahamhgreen]

72. With Clinton, they can run against Clinton. With Sanders, they have to run on the issues.

And since they're sctually against the will of the majority, they will lose.

[dreamnightwind]

73. All the centrist policies

supported by Hillary and many other Dems (Iraq war, financial dereg, social security cuts, welfare "reform", education "reform", private rather than public health insurance, surveillance state, etc etc etc) give Republicans cover, she can't really challenge them on those issues except to position herself as slightly less harsh, whereas Bernie can put the truth to the lies since he never supported them.

They probably fear her financial backing and her campaign infrastructure rather than Bernie's, but on the issues (and also on a largely irrational reservoir of RW hate their base holds for anyone named Clinton) they would much rather face Hillary.

[betterdemsonly]

74. All of Scott Walkers opponants in Wisconsin have been conservadems like Hillary

most of them agreed with Walkers attacks on the public sector unions. The last one was a women who agreed with attacks on public sector unions and emphasized choice instead.

[kenfrequed]

78. That is a huge part of the problem

Too many Rahm Emmanuel Democrats that urinate on unions for points with wealthy contributors. It is the same mode of selection too; shower conservadems with cash in a state that has been written off as red because of gerrymandering.

We have to change this.

[betterdemsonly]

79. Wisconsin is more culturally similar to Minnesota

yet they have elected all these right wingers, and it is primarily because they Democrats there are Chicago Machine Conservadems, and they lose all the time. They just don't stand for the voters that most want an alternative to the GOP.

[Renew Deal]

77. With George Will and others, it's not about the race. It's about ideology

So he wants to push back Sanders ideas more than he wants to push back Sanders.