Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrggghhhh !!! - For Fuck's Sake.. Couldn't These Idiots Wait A Day Or A Week ???

[WillyT]

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WillyT --

Today, I was asked a direct question and gave a direct answer:

I believe that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry.

I hope you'll take a moment to watch the conversation, consider it, and weigh in yourself on behalf of marriage equality:

I've always believed that gay and lesbian Americans should be treated fairly and equally. I was reluctant to use the term marriage because of the very powerful traditions it evokes. And I thought civil union laws that conferred legal rights upon gay and lesbian couples were a solution.

But over the course of several years I've talked to friends and family about this. I've thought about members of my staff in long-term, committed, same-sex relationships who are raising kids together. Through our efforts to end the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, I've gotten to know some of the gay and lesbian troops who are serving our country with honor and distinction.

What I've come to realize is that for loving, same-sex couples, the denial of marriage equality means that, in their eyes and the eyes of their children, they are still considered less than full citizens.

Even at my own dinner table, when I look at Sasha and Malia, who have friends whose parents are same-sex couples, I know it wouldn't dawn on them that their friends' parents should be treated differently.

So I decided it was time to affirm my personal belief that same-sex couples should be allowed to marry.

I respect the beliefs of others, and the right of religious institutions to act in accordance with their own doctrines. But I believe that in the eyes of the law, all Americans should be treated equally. And where states enact same-sex marriage, no federal act should invalidate them.

If you agree, you can stand up with me here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002668025

Thank you,

Barack

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More than 1.9 million people like you power this campaign. If you can, please donate today.

I was actually enjoying the historical moment...

I may have to unsubscribe to this campaign... in order to vote for their candidate !!!

[SunsetDreams]

1. It didn't bother me

If you don't like the email, I guess you could always ignore it.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. Seems like you're griping just to gripe on this one.

[SunsetDreams]

3. It does seem that way. nt

[WillyT]

7. Well... I Guess The Concept Of Diluting, Or Cheapening, The Message Is Now Old School...

Dear WillyT -

Today I launched Operation Overlord which will be an attack on the European Continent to liberate millions of the European people form the grip of Fascism.

We need to do this, but with the knowledge that many of our brave soldiers will not be coming back.

If you have an extra $20 you can send me... I'd really be grateful.

Franklin

I could go on... and I may still...

[muriel_volestrangler]

54. What, like this?

Although the leaflet was undated, the text suggested that it must have been produced sometime after the Allied invasion of Normandy on June 6, 1944, and I used that as the major clue as I set off to learn more of its story. I soon discovered that the leaflet was one of a million that were dropped over Chicago by a single air transport plane on June 12, 1944 as part of the kick-off for a nationwide Fifth War Bond Drive to raise $16 Billion dollars. President Franklin D. Roosevelt would describe it as the Civilian D-Day.

http://www.hydeparkhistory.org/warbonds.html

9th June:http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2199&dat=19440609&id=2vllAAAAIBAJ&sjid=-b0MAAAAIBAJ&pg=6161,135295

Looks like FDR was almost as quick off the mark - but he didn't have the internet.

[patrice]

4. Won't that money enable the hiring of Gay Marriage activists? He's up against the Log Cabin

Republicans, may be a few 1% -ers in there hiring all kinds of ChurchKoch activists to work to prevent Gay Marriage.

He's SUPPOSED to be more than just for Gay Marriage. He has to deliver! That takes money, because this is politics.

[WillyT]

10. AND... You Could Wait A Day Or Two... Maybe Even A Week...

Let everybody digest and bask in the importance of this step...

And yeah... I think it is important... I think it's fucking HISTORICAL...

But to put your solicitation/donation hand out... ON THE SAME DAY...

Looks pretty bad... and INEPT!

[SunsetDreams]

13. no it doesn't look "pretty bad...and INEPT"

Quite the contrary.

[WillyT]

17. So... When You Help A Young Child, Or An Elderly Man Or Woman Across A Dangerous Intersection...

When you're done, doing the right thing...

YOU jump up and down and ask for money ???

Frankly... I doubt it.

And I know I don't...

It used to be that we kept our charities and good deeds in our own hearts.

But then again...

THAT... is the Cheap Suit aspect of this...

[SunsetDreams]

27. I don't agree that your analogy fits here

I would hardly call coming out in support of marriage equality "charity".

I will play along though...IF that Young Child, or an Elderly Man or Woman needed "something" such as a Walker or Cane in order to more easily cross that Dangerous Intersection due to a disability, you bet I would try and raise funds if they needed it.

BUT since that analogy doesn't really fit here IMO, what I will say is, President Obama will need money to counter all the bigots out there in the way of Ad time. The swiftboating will be enormous on this issue. Let's just face it, it is going to take money to counter the other side. Another way I look at it is, it's just another way of getting the message out. You can't tell me that every single person in the campaign email database was aware of what happened today. People can CHOOSE to donate, just like they can CHOOSE to not donate OR I suppose they can CHOOSE to ignore the overall message. Just as you can choose to unsubscribe.

[patrice]

18. As my favorite tv-attorney (Glen Close) would say, "I understand."

[WillyT]

22. Thank You For That !!!

[TheWraith]

5. Shock of shocks, you managed to find something to complain about.

I'm stunned. Really.

[scheming daemons]

6. Another post complaining just for complainings sake

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

8. Maybe I'm just tired and worked a late day, but I don't even understand what the OP is saying.

I don't understand the statement about unsubscribing to vote for the candidate at all, reads like gibberish to me, something I'm missing here.

[nobodyspecial]

11. No, you're not

Consider the source.

[riderinthestorm]

12. +1. Agreed. I've been up since 6 am and this OP seems like so much parsing

I'm having trouble following the outrage.

[SunsetDreams]

15. I just don't understand,

I thought this "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrggghhhh !!! " would have clued you in

[nobodyspecial]

9. Why do you think this makes them idiots?

This is news. He is clarifying his position and making sure he controls the message by putting it out in his own words. He wants to capitalize on the moment and build momentum.


OMG! He is trying to win an election. How awful.

[WillyT]

14. Wow... Maybe You Are Young And Are Used To Reality Shows As Reality...

But some of us are a bit older and are put off by such obvious...

Let's just say... Go To Post #7 and see how that reads to you.

[nobodyspecial]

16. No, not at all. I'm a boomer, just like you, I'm guessing.

But thanks for inferring I'm just young and dumb because I don't agree with you.

[WillyT]

19. I Apologize Then... Did You Visit Post #7 ???

How does that sound to you ???

I could create dozens, if not hundreds more...

And... have we become this craven now?

Or just that numb to it all.

[blue neen]

20. IMHO, your analogy in post #7 is a quite a stretch.

Oh, and on the subject of "Why couldn't they wait a week?", I was thinking the same thing about your sour grapes OP.

[WillyT]

24. My "Sour Grapes" As You Put It... Was About Not Letting The Historical Event Sink In...

Before the out streched hand of the campaign went for my wallet.

And... you do know what one does with sour grapes...

[blue neen]

32. I only know that people mostly use sour grapes in negative ways.

So, if you're angry that they didn't wait a week to ask for donations...well, then you just acted the same way.

It's your choice to donate if you want and if you can afford it...if you can't, then don't. There are plenty of other ways you can help to re-elect President Obama. That's what we're all trying to do now, right?

FDR was a wonderful President, an intelligent man, and an excellent politician. That's why he was able to use Fireside Chats to his advantage.

Good luck, and I hope you feel cheerier tomorrow!

[Surya Gayatri]

51. +1,000 ! Thanks for saying this, blue!

I said something similar down thread.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=668543

[Indykatie]

23. I Had Already Donated Today BEFORE The Message Landed in My In-Box

I heard they raised a million dollars within an hour of his statement. It will take lots of money to win the election and I am not offended by the request. If you are offended or can't afford to donate at this time ignore the request or take your name off the mailing list.

[Surya Gayatri]

49. If FDR had had available

all the communications and social networking tools that BHO does, I suspect he would have used them just as effectively and relentlessly to reach his electorate.

What about FDR exploiting the media of the time (radio, newspapers and poster/billboards) to russle up moral and financial support for the war effort, not to mention for his four elections?

Weak historical analogy. Predictably gratuitous criticism.

[patrice]

21. PO, funding DELIVERING on the issue placed ahead of feel good buzzzzzzzzzzz. This guy really

does politics the risky way.

Imagine that.

It really is pretty exciting to see this kind of thing happen.

[uppityperson]

25. You mean it makes him look like he did it only for political reasons & to raise money?

I understand that viewpoint, not sure if it is what you mean.

[dionysus]

26. yawn. try harder.

[Tarheel_Dem]

30. Ditto!

The o.p. seems as outraged as the LCR press release in the immediate aftermath. Why does this president even bother? Damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Frankly, at this point, I agree with others that this is just outrage for the sake of outrage.

[dionysus]

33. when someone campaigns against the president every day, after a while the phoney outrage

becomes nectar to my soul...

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. That's exactly what it is, a "campaign", and it hasn't let up here since 01-21-09.

How does one remain outraged for that length of time?

[Skinner]

28. God forbid the campaign ask you for money when the president does something you support.

Instead, they should stick to asking you for money when you disapprove of the president. Because we all know how well that works.

[WillyT]

37. Hey Skinner... Maybe It's Because I Was Raised By Two WWII/Depression Era Parents...

My mom still has her war rations coupons in a book in her closet...

But just so ya know...

My 82 year old mom, Dem, voting precinct captain - retired, saw that e-mail today after the initial news reports, and said... "Really... they are gonna put this out on the same goddamned day???"

And as you can tell... in the opinion of the two of us... it steps on its own historical meaning.

Yet... she's 82, I'm 56...

Maybe we are just screaming at the moon... and wishing for days that will never exist again.

[Petrushka]

48. 77 here . . . and, when I opened that e-mail today . . . ?!@$$!! . . . .

. . . I unsubscribed.

Screaming? Wishing?
Indeed!

[WillyT]

55. Somebody Up-Thread Used The Word "Tacky"

I think that about sums it up.

But now that we're in a Citizens United World...

What the hell is "Tacky" ???

Money Uber Alles...

[Petrushka]

57. Tacky? Not quite. Like: Tacky was delivered today by the USPS.

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It was in an envelope containing a message thanking me again for my support and again suggesting not only how much to contribute but, also---(yippee!)---yet another family photo! My granddaughter (almost 17) suggested I use the return envelope to send my family photo as a thank you message.

[Surya Gayatri]

52. Well, then, good job neither you nor your mother

are BHO campaign advisors.

[Tx4obama]

29. Wait a day or week? You must be joking. Republicans fundraised today off it so why shouldn't Dems nt

[ohheckyeah]

31. Willy - it's important that you check your

private messages.

[RetroLounge]

34. Wait A Day Or A Week ???

How long would you wait for YOUR rights?



RL

[WillyT]

44. Really... THAT Is The Question You Ask ???

:weep:

[Skip Intro]

36. I think you have a valid point.

I appreciate Obama's statements on the matter, and his evolution, and his personal belief that gay marriage should be legal (albeit leaving that decision to the states).

For a sitting president to take such a stand is awesome and historic, but to solicit donations just hours later based on it strikes me as a bit crude as well. It makes the whole thing seem as though it could be simply a political ploy in an election year. (Actually, to go a bit further, I'm thinking those who fought against NC's Amendment 1 would have appreciated his statements a few days ago as help in their efforts).

At any rate, you're taking heat for expressing what I consider a mildly skeptical view, and I hate to imagine this country without skepticism of our politicians, so I just thought I'd chime in with a bit of support for your OP.

[Solomon]

40. Sure, the money goes straight into his pockets.

This is just a case of somebody not wanting to put their money where their mouth is. All santimonious about same-sex rights, but when tine to work for it or contribute, whine about forming over a nickel. Hypocrisy. Plain and simple.

[WillyT]

41. And I Thank You For Your Support !!! - I Really Do...

"Crude" is exactly the right word!

Personally... I think I get heat for post fake e-mails from my President on line.

Shh...

[emulatorloo]

38. Your thread makes me want to donate something in your name.

Thanks for the reminder

[WillyT]

43. Well Thank You... It's Willy With A "T"...

WillyT

I'm looking forward to it.

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. Couldn't you?

[Pirate Smile]

42. Just unsubscribe.

Yeah, let's talk about "idiots" who can't "wait a day or a week."

[Logical]

45. Un subscribe!!

[Cali_Democrat]

46. Two words:

Citizens United.

Obama has to try and compete any way he can with the deep pockets of the GOP and their backers.

[Skidmore]

50. I have told people that either we truly believe that

all people are created equal and have inalienable rights or we are lying to the rest of the world. There is no one person on this earth that is more worthy than the next and I refuse to sit in judgement on someone else for wanting those rights I would seek for myself and mine. It is that simple.

[trumad]

53. Dude--- you got your ass whooped in this thread...

Never seen an ass kicking like this on DU...

Better delete before it gets worse.

[WillyT]

56. Oh Dude... I've Had My Ass Whipped So Much Better Before...

BTW - Were you protesting Proposition 13, The Briggs Initiative, while looking for work ???

When I left teaching, because our own Union cut our throats... I stood up and gave a speech on how the Union got snookered ... because what seemed as a "Great idea" actually screwed everybody in the Union.

I resigned on the spot... by words (signed the papers later), and walked out of the hall to a standing ovation...

Sometimes things are NOT negotiable.

[trumad]

58. I look at it this way...

When 99 percent of a thread says the Op blows---errrr. it blows.

[NNN0LHI]

59. Sage advice, trumad

[lunatica]

60. If he didn't do this would you be jumping all over him for missing the opportunity?

I know a lot of DUers would.

And are you one of the ones who wailed about how the Republicans were dominating the talking points and Democrats were too stupid to go on the attack? I was. Well, President Obama is dominating the talking points now, right out of the gate, and Mitt, who has been campaigning for months is now left desperately playing catchup as he chokes on Obama's dust.

It's all about seeing the glass as half full or half empty in a Presidential election year.