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Is the lack of respect being shown toward President Obama about race, as some have suggested? Yes and no.
Certainly, for a segment of the country, it really is about being uncomfortable with a black president. Indeed, even former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican, noted what he described as a "dark vein" of intolerance in the party and parts of the country in general. But beyond that hopefully shrinking share of the population that is explicitly racist, there is a far wider issue of implicit racial bias -- an unconscious, yet nonetheless real tendency, to subject President Obama to extra scrutiny because of the color of his skin.
None of this is to suggest that all of the criticism aimed at President Obama stems from implicit racial bias. But such bias appears to be a factor in the ease and extremity of disrespect aimed at America's first black president. And this disrespect mirrors the disrespect shown against black Americans in general.
"Honorable people can disagree over policy," Vice President Joe Biden said in a statement Tuesday. Yes, and they should do so honorably. Whatever Republicans' gripes about President Obama's vision and leadership, the party and its followers are too often expressing their critiques in an ugly way. And that rampant pattern of disrespect -- for any fellow human being, let alone the president of the United States of America -- is what truly undermines the principles and values of our nation.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/11/opinions/kohn-direspect-president-obama/index.html
That rampant pattern of disrespect.. Yes indeed.
brooklynite
(94,624 posts)No one here would ever think to call him a.....oh never mind.
Logical
(22,457 posts)sheshe2
(83,803 posts)What can I say, CNN reported this. You have some sort of problem, that they covered the 47 sending a letter to Iran? Really? Yikes, they mentioned Joe Wilson yelling "YOU LIE" at SOTU.
Your point, you are being illogical, Logical.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It was golden
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)a target the way every pioneer is unfortunately among some people.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And more generic guffawing!!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Oktober
(1,488 posts)HA...
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)because of it too.
TexasTowelie
(112,255 posts)Yes, I do venture out there to take one for the team on occasion.
sheshe2
(83,803 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Co-worker screen on her computer is fake news. Everything wrong is Pres O's fault. She sounds alike a few here on the DU.
Thanks she for the thread.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)DU has seen some substantive criticism of Obama over specific policies (some of them cases where the criticism of President Obama is that he's disagreeing with Candidate Obama). Nevertheless, I have never seen anyone on DU state that everything is his fault, or anything remotely close to that.
What I have seen -- and this post is an example -- is the attempt to discredit progressive critics of Obama by conflating us with right-wing nutjobs. Not everyone who opposes the TPP, for example, buys into the Jade Helm conspiracy theories.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)"on the left" don't even know it, but it's their conditioning. This president & his wife have been disrespected from all corners of the political spectrum. Some of his supposed "allies" have been the worst offenders. He's held to a different standard, and I DO think it's based in race. For instance, Nader wasted no time calling the president an Uncle Tom, early in his presidency. Bernie Sanders called for the president to be primaried in his 2012 re-election bid. And now Sherrod Brown has insinuated that this president is sexist. For this reason, I no longer have much in common with today's "liberals". I just say that I'm a Democrat, and I support Democrats.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)a path way to DU sensitivity on "tone" and "disrespect" ... I guess 6+ years late, and only with respect to sexism, is better than never!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)At least until the tool is no longer useful ... then, "Sexism! Where?" ... just like with racism.
I was particularly moved by the "racism never seeing" DU posting: (Something to the effect of) "What? Do you think we're making (this sexism thing) up?"
I didn't know whether to or so I
cui bono
(19,926 posts)have joined forces to try to ram through the TPP but then I see from the link this story is old.
Things sure have changed since then. Now Obama and McConnell are working together against liberals, environmentalists, progressive Dems, trying to get a trade deal written mostly by corporations and lobbyists.
Now that is rampant disrespect, I tell ya. Unfortunately it's directed at the people from Obama.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)I guess you prefer these
Mitch McConnell
Paul Ryan
Orrin Hatch
John Boehner
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)sheshe2
(83,803 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)sheshe2
(83,803 posts)You take them on far better than I do.
Lol~ You are so brave and hell yes informed!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)who have just said the heck with this junk, and moved on. Hopefully it's temporary.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)that we use way to many drone strikes.
See, that game started a long time ago, but when Obama sides with big corporations and the GOP on something as dangerous as the TPP it is absolutely not a game.
Funny though how the excuse for not accomplishing more, for not getting the public option was always the GOP yet now they are on the same side. Those mean Republicans. But now that Obama is pushing for something they want I don't hear anyone complaining about them or the fact that he is siding with them and huge corporations. Odd. Well, actually not odd at all. Just sad.
nikto
(3,284 posts)I support Obama on Iran, Cuba, social issues, and a bunch of other stuff.
Those are good.
But his support of TPP is awful, just awful.
It is awful because TPP is awful, and Obama is a bright person who knows its awful.
But he pushes it anyway.
Obama is very much a mixed-bag as a President, and not a Progressive on many huge issues.
On many issues he seems like an obedient product of The University Of Chicago and Milton Friedman.
Privatized Public Schools/"Race-To-The-Top"? Drone killings? NSA spying? "Banks Too Big To Fail (or JAIL)?
These are part of what I think of as Obama's "bad" side.
All in all, my feelings about him are, "complex".
I am not some mindless "Obama-basher", but just someone who is earnestly Progressive on many issues,.
especially economic ones. And it is on the key economic and financial issues where I disagree with him most strongly.
The "TPP" side of Obama is not the side of him I like or admire.
Sorry, but that side of Obama is just way way too Reagan for me.
Y' know what I'm talkin' about?
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)and the TPP is just the 21st century version of '80s Republican "voodoo economics".
nikto
(3,284 posts)Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)about and you summed it up very well. He's done things that make me fume, outright wrong and harmful (likeTPP< privatization of our schools etc) and yet he has done the good things you mentioned like Cuba. I expected more, more caring about the people, less of CEO's. Hoping he doesn't decide to do more bad stuff like the CPI, he never said he won't do it and he seems to be in a rather vindictive mood.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)One of the best in my life (I've been around long enough for Kennedy). I do find his fanaticism of the TPP and fast tracking disconcerting, I wish I knew his true motivation about it.
I do admire him for the dignified way he has dealt with the monstrous level of contempt and open rebellion he has had to face from one particular feces encrusted anti-American political party hell bent on denying him his just dues.
To the President; Well done sir.
To the Republicans; I'd wish you an STD, but getting one can be pleasurable. So, I'm simply wishing you hemorrhoids.
sheshe2
(83,803 posts)To the Republicans; I'd wish you an STD, but getting one can be pleasurable. So, I'm simply wishing you hemorrhoids.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I'm just curious as to why you're posting it now?
sheshe2
(83,803 posts)Cause I felt like it.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I thought maybe it was because Senate Republicans paid great respect to President Obama today, voting in droves for his TPP.
sheshe2
(83,803 posts)not repeating myself. Find it and read it!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)sheshe2
(83,803 posts)Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #21)
neverforget This message was self-deleted by its author.
bluesbassman
(19,376 posts)This is the implication you're presenting by posting a two month old article focusing on that issue of real forms of disrespect shown to the President.
The fact is the TPA was voted against today because it was not in the best interest of the American people, not out of disrespect for the President. Trying to make it about disrespect weakens the ability to call out true disrespect.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)bluesbassman
(19,376 posts)Care elaborate on what you're saying? Are you implying that I "attacked" sheshe2 in some way? If so kindly point out the attack and I'll apologize if warranted.
sheshe2
(83,803 posts)This place has become ugly.
sheshe2
(83,803 posts)Seriously?
Ya know, I was at work tonight. Never saw this. WTF! Holy Moley. You are making this about you.
This is the implication you're presenting by posting a two month old article focusing on that issue of real forms of disrespect shown to the President.
The fact is the TPA was voted against today because it was not in the best interest of the American people, not out of disrespect for the President. Trying to make it about disrespect weakens the ability to call out true disrespect.
Never knew he lost something today....dear goddess, what pretzel logic you use. An aside, he is indeed the most disrespected President ever and yes I believe it is because he is black. Sorry, I do. I really do.
I was fucking working tonight and did not know about any vote, yet you sit there and accuse me! You sit there an accuse me of an ulterior motive. That is just sick.
bluesbassman
(19,376 posts)PBO gets plenty of disrespect, but today wasn't one of those days.
How I'm making this about "me" is a headscratcher though. I thought we were talking about President Obama.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And I suspect I know exactly why it was posted but I won't bother to get into it.
sheshe2
(83,803 posts)I got home late from work. Read some mail. Found the link and posted it, cause ya, I love this President.
So go ahead Cui, attack me. Make it what you want. I am always attacked here, no clue why. Have at it. I know it is fun for you.
Lol~ my OP was alerted on. Alert stalking, oh yes it is. It was alerted because it was a 2 month old article.. Holy Shit! That is grounds for an alert these days. We should have a massive alert on GD. WTF.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)But so was the OP. You can feign innocence but based on your track record it seems pretty clear why you posted it at the time you did. Obama is getting crushed with well deserved criticism and you had to post something to paint it as same old same old racism and GOP criticism. But it's not that at all. He is on the same side as that nasty, racist GOP right now.
You say you have no clue why you are "always attacked". You are not so much attacked as critiqued, but then you think all criticism of Obama is attacking him as well. I honestly think that you are too emotionally attached to Obama and you just can't bear to hear criticism of him even when it is most warranted, such as now. He is siding with extreme right wing Republicans right now and you decide to post this months old OP trying to make him a victim of them. Even if you didn't know about the vote, you know who is for the TPP and who is against it. And if you don't know that you should read up on it. It's a horrendous trade agreement and no Democrat should be supporting it, much less fighting for it. Especially harder than they've fought for anything else other than their run for the presidency.
When you blindly support and trust in a politician without being able to accept any criticism of him you are going to get criticized for that. We criticized Bushies for doing it too. It's very dangerous for democracy to put a person above policy and principles.
Plus, you write something to me like that hidden post of yours and you complain about being attacked?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I think you're confusing "implication" with "inference..."
bluesbassman
(19,376 posts)It was late and it was the first word that came to mind. Words matter though, and yours is the correct one.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)to bum rush corporate wet dream trade bill through congress doesn't generate respect..
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)People aren't simply going to accept being down another sad NAFTA-like path again! They've been burned too much over the last few decades by really CRAPPY trade deals! One done in secrecy now isn't going to cut it, no matter how much he asks us to support him by supporting it!
Cha
(297,355 posts)We even have some on here who can't do that. Although, the "Fuck you Obama" the other day did get a HIDE.
It was a thing of beauty.
Oh, and it seems some are so concerned about his supporters that they have to write warnings like..
"adoring makes you blind". I call bullshite.. Do they call themselves that in regards to greenwald, assange, snowden, hersh, parry, etc.. hmm?
The President has earned my trust.. even though I don't always agree with him. I write letters and sign petitions on what I don't agree with.
As VP Biden stated in the end snip..
"Honorable people can disagree over policy," Vice President Joe Biden said in a statement Tuesday. Yes, and they should do so honorably. Whatever Republicans' gripes about President Obama's vision and leadership, the party and its followers are too often expressing their critiques in an ugly way. And that rampant pattern of disrespect -- for any fellow human being, let alone the president of the United States of America -- is what truly undermines the principles and values of our nation.
Too many dishonorable people out with their pitchforks.. Yes, I do have the President's back against those who disrespect Obama.
Mahalo for your OP, she~
Liberal am I. I believe in "Democracy" . . . but not abuse of it.
sheshe2
(83,803 posts)I never bothered to find out.
"adoring makes you blind". I call bullshite.. Do they call themselves that in regards to greenwald, assange, snowden, hersh, parry, etc.. hmm?
I am so with ya Cha. I call bullshit.
As for Biden. I love that man.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)Obama lost this one.
Cha
(297,355 posts)Obama and the Republicans may prevail in the end.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)That says a lot.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Last edited Wed May 13, 2015, 08:28 AM - Edit history (1)
if the Republicans get in control
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)But, to disrespect Pres O.
I would not to it with Bernie nor HRC.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)WestSideStory
(91 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Because they stood up for Democratic Party principles?
Because they stood up for the American people?
Because they stood up for democracy?
Because they stood up for checks and balances?
You seem to be implying that they have behaved in the manner described in this months old article, why is that? What did they do that was so disrespectful and racist?
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Other leaders, frankly the vile rhetoric being spewed these last 8 years should ensure he retains hero status... I feel the same towards Hillary Clinton,, she's earned her time in the sun....I also feel the average American does not get the credit he or she deserves... No one is perfect but how hard is it really to be respectful of others?
We have such a long way to go...
TM99
(8,352 posts)So Democrats stood up to Obama and the GOP who are attempting to ram down our throats via fast track a horrific trading treaty, but now they and we who support them are disrespectful and racists to boot for agreeing with those in the right?
And your proof is a several months old article that has zero to do with this current political issues.
What the fuck?!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)paint opposition into a corner. No matter how many thread you have trashing and supporting, it not gonna work..
Sorry.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Obama is not being painted into a corner by them. He is aligning with them. He is attacking his own Democrats for failing to 'fall in line'.
This is Obama's baby. He owns it. He gets the shit for it. Sorry.
sheshe2
(83,803 posts)Your response was ugly.
Ya know what is funny, you all popping out and saying that this is 2 months old.
Please send me the memo on the dates of articles that we can post. I never knew I did a bad. Tell me the rules on how and when I can post. Tell me the rules, I guess I missed them.
Wow.
And your proof is a several months old article that has zero to do with this current political issues.
Keep banging your head. I have explained, tough I do not need to. I got home late from work. NEVER SAW AND STILL HAVE NOT ANY VOTE! I posted an article and am trashed and alerted on.
This place has gone to hell. Thanks so much for your brutal attack of me. Women are targets. Beat on us.
TM99
(8,352 posts)because you are a woman?
The two months old criticism is relevant because you are using it to bolster your position about what has occurred today. That's why we are commenting on the date and the piece itself.
Despite your persecution complex, yes, it is a disgusting OP. It implies racism (and now sexism) if one disagrees very strongly with both the President on the TPP/TPA issue, his working with the GOP but calling out his own party, and his fawning supporters who are more concerned with our criticism of the man than the actual policies itself.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)than they did two months ago. If the trend continues, it will get even uglier and more disgusting.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Someone else recently tried to play the gender card in just as a ridiculous manner as you just did.
I'm a woman and I think you posting that months old article at this particular time is ludicrous and completely disingenuous. I think you posted it as dig at DUers frankly. And I'm not saying that because you are a woman. I'm one too, remember?
If you feel "trashed" and "attacked" that is your own fault. You can't possibly not have realized how this would come across. It is well known how protective you are about any criticism of Obama and how you can't stand to hear any of it. Well if ever there was a time he deserved it it's now. To attempt to equate that criticism of him regarding TPP with the racist disrespect he's gotten from the right wing over the years is what is truly ugly. And to feign innocence over it all is just silly and transparent.
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cui bono
(19,926 posts)How did I play the gender card? I didn't call someone who criticized me sexist as you pretty much did.
You said another poster was attacking you because you are a woman, which is playing the gender card.
I said I'm a woman and I am critical of your post as well. That is not playing the gender card at all, that is calling you on playing the gender card.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)You really need to get a fucking grip.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)President Obama is doing very well as we speak!
President Obama am sure will say to the American public, I tried, somethings I changed and some I could not!
He will be ok when Mrs. Clinton steps in, will you be so vocal?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)We have to try to forgive and move on! There are times when our loved ones get killed by brute force, but who is there to help us. The system is against us. Then we have our loved ones who feel that they cannot live anymore and they take their lives.
I feel that your police force in the US is violating their boundaries and killing innocent people is beyond the pale!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Like most people in majority of countries in the world, we want peace.
The Democratic Party - world peace.
That's me, and I'm sticking with it.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)in harmony. Sometimes, our leaders think otherwise. They need to sustain the war machinery to get the economy going and that is honestly what we small folks never wanted. We just want to vote for a government who look out for the working class and not keep saying the middle class need to be protected!
Which average American earns $250,000 a year? It boggles my mind that President Obama wants to protect the middle class but have nothing to say about the working class who live from day to day with an average pay check!
sheshe2
(83,803 posts)Do not presume to know me.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)I do not know you personally! I just feel like I did when I was in my 20's and so involved in politics.
Sometimes we get so involved that people do not understand us. Sorry, I did not mean anything negative.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)which unfortunately is met by silence. In this dynamic, any barking spider hanging over a stagnant pond will be elevated to the status of a gas giant by the evening news cycle, or what's left of it. This should be abundantly clear: If you don't define yourself, you will nevertheless be defined.
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sheshe2
(83,803 posts)Lately some here wish me to keep my mouth shut, Not happening.
Cha
(297,355 posts)Well that knee jerker won't be doing it for 24 hrs, she
alert
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Cha
(297,355 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,071 posts)Most of the alerts I've adjudicated are like this. No rule broken. Just someone who disagrees.
Cha
(297,355 posts)such sensitive little bullies.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)We need to keep our fucking mouths closed around here. But we will not be silenced.
I disagree with the president on this and several other issues, but the utter disrespect of this man and the backlash against people of color in this color is mostly about his race.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Who could have guessed the TPP would open up a new path way to "tone sensitivity" on DU ... Sherrod Brown raises it about the folks that couldn't/can't see it with this Presidency, have suddenly awaken. I guess 6+years late, and only with respect to misogyny, is a start.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)If respect hits a new low, that's a bad thing.
I don't necessarily agree that it is much worse now (in Congress) than it has been earlier in his term. Clinton might have even had it worse (Whitewater, travelgate, vince foster, and?) and both Obama and Clinton are right of center, arguably moderate Republican in governance. Clinton could rely more on charisma to cover his ass but NAFTA, welfare reform, and banking deregulation, capital gains tax cuts, etc set most Americans far back and they were pushed by Clinton in cooperation with Republicans. Nevertheless, Republicans still went after his throat.
Obama is facing a more advanced/sophisticated media machine fomenting hatred, using a concentration of wealth and power that Clinton didn't have to deal with.
I don't like Obama's triangulating principles and he has lost respect among many Democrats. However, Republicans are using Wall Street controlled media as a catalyst to turn raw racism and hatred into false patriotism.
The false patriotism is a dangerous development (*), and Congress is pandering to it on both sides of the aisle.
(*) for example, torture is never an expression of patriotism.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)When humans got that special brain gift but instead of living together and loving each other or at least having compassion, we went the opposite directions.
Dems can take back the senate and keep the WH.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Merle Haggard - It's Almost 'Criminal' What They Do To President Obama
A Merle Haggard quote has been circulating social media, almost as if it appeared in response to the incredible disrespect shown to President Obama by Republicans in Congress and foreign leader, Benjamin Netanyahu. The quote is from a 2010 Rolling Stone interview. Patrick Doyle spoke with music legend Merle Haggard, who was attending the 33rd Kennedy Center Honors. Haggard was invited to the White House to receive a Lifetime Achievement Award.
Doyle asked Merle Haggard about President Obama, and the traditional 'stone-country' singer-songwriter said he enjoyed meeting Obama and found the President to be quite different from what he had seen in the media. Then Haggard interestingly added:
Merle Haggard:
"It's really almost criminal what they do with our President. There seems to be no shame or anything. They call him all kinds of names all day long, saying he's doing certain things that he's not. It's just a big old political game that I don't want to be part of. There are people spending their lives putting him down. I'm sure some of it's true and some of it's not. I was very surprised to find the man very humble and he had a nice handshake. His wife was very cordial to the guests and especially me. They made a special effort to make me feel welcome. It was not at all the way the media described him to be."
Doyle asked, 'What's the biggest lie out there about Obama?'
Merle Haggard:
"He's not conceited. He's very humble about being the President of the United States, especially in comparison to some presidents we've had who come across like they don't need anybody's help. I think he knows he's in over his head. Anybody with any sense who takes that job and thinks they can handle it must be an idiot."
When Doyle asked if Haggard talked to the President much, the interview took a much lighter tone:
Merle Haggard:
"I told him, "You and I have something in common: our wives are both taller than we are." And he said "No! She's got on 3-inch heels! And she is not that tall!" He was like me. He grabbed that real quick."
Merle Haggard's compassion and straightforwardness in this interview seem to be what many of us needed after the GOP once again shamed themselves, and this nation, by seditiously spiting the President of the United States. Reading Haggard's words again, was like a glorious breath of fresh air - an affirmation and validation of the thoughts many of us have been feeling.
Merle Haggard was 73 at the time the Rolling Stone interview. That night he stood alongside other living legends like Sir Paul McCartney and Oprah Winfrey. And this was not his first invitation to the White House. Merle Haggard has also been the guest of both President Nixon and President Reagan.
It's easy to see why Merle Haggard is loved by millions. He's the 'real deal'. Having been involved in the music industry in Nashville, I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Haggard years ago - a truly charming man. It's as if that rough exterior, from once leading a very rough life, just sort of melts away when you shake his hand. You can feel his warmth. And looking into his eyes, you can almost see through to his beautiful heart...
At 77, he is still touring, and last year Merle teamed up with pals Willie Nelson and Kris Kristofferson to make an album.
Thank you, Merle Haggard. You are loved.
*The Daily Kos allows articles from the website to be posted in their entirety, so no copyright is being violated here.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/05/1368652/-Merle-Haggard-To-Rolling-Stone-It-s-Almost-Criminal-What-They-Do-To-President-Obama
I used to think he was a right winger, maybe he was. But the truth is the truth, no matter how many times the media, online and off, lies to us. And the same psychological subliminal techniques used against Obama have never stopped, and are now being used against HRC. RFing is going even more high-tech now. And it all works very well.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I certainly didn't respect George Bush.
Disrespect for President is an authoritarian bullshit meme.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Abuse of the race card by mouthpieces of the first black president of the United States, in order to rationalize a historic predatory attack on the American people, is perhaps a new low in corporate propaganda.
But the talking points *have* to sink lower and lower. It takes outrageous chutzpah in the talking points to even hope to divert from such outrageous abuse of the trust of Americans.
Every time you think the talking points can't get more dishonest or desperate. How utterly sad that the mouthpieces for such a potentially historic presidency have sunk to this level of rhetorical manipulation and deceit.
Gonna need a shower after this OP. Eew.
sheshe2
(83,803 posts)It sure has...
You just did it!
Disrespected a huge block of voters.WTF!
Abuse of the race card by mouthpieces of the first black president of the United States, in order to rationalize a historic predatory attack on the American people, is perhaps a new low in corporate propaganda.
We are fucking mouthpieces. Mouthpiece?! We abuse the race card? Black people are not Americans? They attacking your WHITE AMERICA.
Holy Crap.
A shower, I do believe I need Lysol, janitor in the drum or some therapy to get me through the state of dumbness in this country. That would be me washing your slimy thoughts off of me.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)The gender card was even played as to why she is being "attacked" for posting this, because she's a woman.
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)On Wed May 13, 2015, 07:12 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
Disrespect of Americans and democracy by our corrupt, purchased government hits a new low.
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L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)And who or what are YOU a mouthpiece for?
jalan48
(13,873 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)and thank ya'll
longship
(40,416 posts)I agree with your OP and I don't care if it is months old as I had not seen it before this thread.
So thank you, my friend.
P. S. And don't let the maligners get you down.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)For more than seven years after the attack, the Republicans controlled the White House. Their attitude, as famously expressed by Bush, was "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." He said that in the context of what nations did, but many of his allies took "us" to mean "Republicans".
There've always been some members of each major party who, deep down, regard the Presidency as their party's rightful territory, with any President from the other party being considered a temporary interloper. The difference is that 9/11 made that mindset much more common among Republicans. As a result, any Democrat elected in 2008 would have faced some problems because of this attitude.
If Colin Powell had run as a Republican in 2008 and won, he would have encountered racism from within his party. Nevertheless, he would have been disrespected much less than Obama has been.
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sendero
(28,552 posts)... in any sphere of life, it is earned.
Many of us figured out long ago that Obama is just another water-carrier for the 1%. With the TPP he makes that undeniably clear. No, I do not respect him. I do not sit around calling him stupid names or making personal insults. But as a leader I consider him a failure and I consider him a dishonest person for campaigning as a progressive and governing like a Republican.
He's just another politician like the vast majority of them. Say anything, do what your owners tell you. I don't have to respect that and I won't. He had a generational opportunity to effect real change at a time in the country's history when it was really needed. He didn't.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)policies. And the TPP has gone way past moderate Republican.
If you are really a Liberal Stalwart you should understand that. Liberals would like a liberal president and when our president continuously goes for moderate Republican policy we are going to criticize him.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)directed at him and his family is simply over policy differences.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)In congress with the GOP it is the case. They have never disrespected a president more than Obama.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Don't accuse us of being liars! Just don't do it.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And that is sad and surprising to me. Just as the misogyny on here.
What I did say was, that the criticism of Obama on DU criticism of his policy and not because he's black.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)In fact you'd probably have to go to freepervile to find more disrespect packed into one place.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)A lot of people on here do that. There's nothing wrong with criticism of politician's policies. In fact it is the very basis of our democracy and our govt of, by and for the people that governs at the consent of the governed. Supposedly.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)There is a thread in the greatest page declaring Obama a liar. And that crap is a daily occurence here. DU has become a hotbed of right wing talking points.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I never thought I'd ever see a Democratic board with so many people using them to defend the TPP. And also the general right wing attitude of "you're either with us or against us". I had always thought that was just a Bushie thing, but nope.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)You don't think posts calling Obama a "liar" are disrespectful?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I have no problem using the word liar if it fits. I called Bush a liar.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Well I guess you are not a regular consumer of DU posts then. It's not like they are difficult to find. But whatever. Carry on.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)Yup, no disrespect there, right? You've nailed it in your assessment, don't back down.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)It's more to do with the Iran thing and the Republicans wanting to curry favor with Netanyahu, so they want to bomb bomb bomb Iran....and that stupid president (their opinion) wants agreements.
And since we started the election of 2016 so early, all the candidates are stepping on each others' toes with their bombs in their hands...
This will go on till the elections, or at least till the conventions.
I myself am only affected in that I'm not affected. I love winners, and Obama is a winner, and I love underdogs, and he is that too....
But they shouldn't be too hard on Obama - they will lose a lot of votes from a group of his supporters who will vote because of the racism they perceive he is subjected to instead of putting the blame on his Iran policy.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)the only person here that's been called out for being full of shit but definitely more than the average poster here.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)esp. when defining themselves. And most especially by the howling silence the Party answers with when some pot-gutted extremist hussles his nuts and belches about the "Kenyan, Muslim, socialist president." It is a peculiarity that has plagued the Democratic Party for some time as it instead dumps on the remnants of left-of-center activists.
The GOPer knows how to bully, and they daily relish the sport of going after some poor slobs hunkered on the ground in silence. The American people see enough of that, they conclude the bully is the second most loathsome person on the school house lawn.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)the party of ignorant, selfish, mean-spirited, greedy, corrupt and racists outcasts.
djean111
(14,255 posts)done with the help of the GOP. After he leaves office, we all have to live with whatever he does. So my answer to you is - so what? He will be rich. He and his family will never have to worry about anything. And good for him, honestly. But he does not need anyone's respect. Maybe YOU need to have others fawn over him, but that is not my problem. There will be another president, and then another. And so it goes. He is just, like all the others, a politician. As he sort of sneeringly referred to Elizabeth Warren - just a politician.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)disrespectful tone towards Elizabeth Warren ... "tone" that thing that DU has been completely deaf to for the past 6+ years.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)they got you shut down. It didn't work with the o.p., but they kept at it until they got one of your posts hidden. Really bad form.
R B Garr
(16,955 posts)On Wed May 13, 2015, 06:46 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
She, I'm so sorry you got locked out of your thread. You were stalked, baited, and ultimately....
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Personal attack on cui bono, a good, longtime DUer. The attacks here are dragging this place down.
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Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)How can you tell they were locked out? Oh, and thanks again.
R B Garr
(16,955 posts)alerter, they are not allowed to alert for another 24 hours. Again, my pleasure. There was nothing wrong with your post.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)As long as we're talking about bad form, it's even worse when certain posters reply to her knowing that she can't respond.
Yes, really bad form.
Yuck.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)DAVID EDWARDS
12 MAY 2015
Fox News contributor Angela McGlowan asserted on Tuesday that First Lady Michelle Obama had been wrong to bring up racial issues in a recent commencement speech because she owed her success to the color of her skin.
Speaking at the historically-black Tuskegee University over the weekend, the first lady talked about how black people were treated differently at department stores, made to feel as they were less intelligent, and had their patriotism questioned.
McGlowan argued that Obamas speech may have been acceptable if it had been a regular time in the history of the United States, but that she should have avoided the topic because her husband, President Barack Obama, and former Attorney General Eric Holder had utilized race to divide this country.
By saying we and against us is saying that there is a white oppressor, that theres a system thats against us, she explained. However, why didnt the first lady share the reason why she got into Princeton was probably because of Affirmative Action?
The reason why she became an associate at a law firm was probably because of diversity, they needed a woman not saying that she wasnt qualified but they needed a woman, and a woman of color. Thats a twofer.
read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/fox-guest-to-michelle-obama-dont-complain-about-racism-because-whites-hired-you-for-your-black-skin/
Michelle Obama mentions racism, Fox News elevates angry black person threat level to Super-Uppity
Being angry at past racist incidents is, of course, the first step to becoming uppity. Best just be grateful. Grateful, I tell you, or creepy but proudly not-at-all-racist radio show hosts like Laura Ingraham will be scuttling out of every nook and crevice to question whether you have really ever experienced racism in this country or whether you're just making it up to make America look bad.
Even Ann Coulter climbed out of her coffin to weigh in, which for Ann Coulter consisted of references to Reverend Wright and slavery and her belief that there was not one "peaceful" protester in all of Baltimore.
read more: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/12/1384243/-Michele-Obama-mentions-racism-Fox-News-elevates-angry-black-person-threat-level-to-Super-Uppity
Rex
(65,616 posts)for brithers and preppers. They hate that man with a glowing ember of rage...I've never seen anything like it. The color of his skin is the only thing I can come up with. He tries over and over and over again to work with the GOP...
They would risk a war with Iran, over the color of his skin.
Never underestimate the fervor of a racist.