Remember: 10 Times NPR’s Terry Gross Tries To Get Hillary Clinton To Explain When She First Supporte

[WillyT]

10 Times NPR’s Terry Gross Tries To Get Hillary Clinton To Explain When She First Supported Marriage Equality
“I’m pretty sure you didn’t answer my question about whether you evolved or it was the American public that changed.”
Chris Geidner - BuzzFeed
June 12, 2014, at 11:42 a.m.

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WASHINGTON — Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton got into a testy exchange with NPR’s Terry Gross on Thursday, as Gross tried to get Clinton to explain her views on marriage equality over time.

Gross attempted to get the former secretary of state to explain whether she had changed her mind over time on the issue of marriage equality or whether she supported marriage equality previously but felt she couldn’t say so due to the popular and political opposition.

Listen to the exchange:

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Link: http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/10-times-nprs-terry-gross-tries-to-get-hillary-clinton-to-ex#.ewe37lM8Z

[Thinkingabout]

1. Now it is time for others to evolve on her answer.

[WillyT]

2. Evolve On Her Answer... What Does That Even Mean ???

[Thinkingabout]

4. Was the question ask about marriage equality? As Americans has evolved on marriage

equality, perhaps it is time to evolve on her answer.

[WillyT]

6. Ok... I Want mylye2222 Back...

[Thinkingabout]

7. I thought you was very sharp and would not have to have this explained.

[Hoppy]

9. Well I don't much get it either.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Attitudes shifted rapidly and leaders shifted with them...

If you would have asked me thirty five years ago I would have said two people should be able to marry one another regardless of their genders but that's me.

[NYC_SKP]

11. WTH.

mylye2222?

What did I miss?

Send a PM.

[WillyT]

14. No... I Want It For All To See... Not That They Have Any Shame... Here:

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026507442

[F4lconF16]

36. Well, fuck.

Another one of my favorites is gone. Fuck.



And to the people who drove her off, if you see this, fuck each and every last one of you. She was better than you'll ever hope to be. DU just lost a damn good person.

[WillyT]

37. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!

[Marr]

31. Mmm.... word salad.

Needs more nouns though.

[WillyT]

35. Wait... I Missed That The First Time... OTHERS... Have To Evolve... On HER Answer ???

Did I get that correct ???

[Buzz Clik]

3. She answered the question, but not to Gross's liking.

Terry Gross is a decent interveiwer, but she can be a tad badgering.

[WillyT]

5. 10 Times ???

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Badgering=asking the same question ten times...

[sabrina 1]

13. I think it's good journalism. If you think that is badgering, to keep trying until you get a clear

answer, you would hate European journalists.

Eg, when Bush went to Ireland he was asked a question NO journalist here would have asked at the time about the Iraq War. I can't remember specifically what it was, but something to do with 'were lies told about WMDs'.

He fumbled his answer, and she pressed him, airc.

His handlers, so used to our compliant press, with their little 'allowed' soft ball questions, were outraged.

The reporter was polite, she was not disrespectful. But, how DARE she 'press' this GOD from the US.

So to 'punish' her, so they thought, they canceled an interview she was supposed to have with Laura Bush the following the day.

That of course totally backfired over there where people saw it as PROOF that Bush and his gang of bullies were exactly what they had they though they were.

English politicians are GRILLED by journalists, or used to be. Blair eg, would be bombarded by questions no US journalist would ever have dared to ask Bush.

Politicians are not being badgered when they are questioned, respectfully, by the press about their positions on issues. The press is doing its job for the people.

We don't have a real news media. So I suppose it's strange to people now to see real journalists at work..

[nationalize the fed]

42. +100 -Irish Politicians can be fun too

MP Clare Daly- what a Liberal used to sound like. The first 4 minutes is one of the best political rants ever delivered anywhere at any time. The US needs a Clare Daly.

Clare Daly's website http://claredaly.ie/

[Buzz Clik]

50. Hillary gave Gross the answer. Gross just wouldn't stop.

It's poor form, and Gross does it all the time. It isn't good journalism, it's rude and obsessive behavior.

=====

Gross wanted know if Hillary's view on gay marriage changed or if she simply felt more able to openly support it as the public support grew. (It's a "when did you stop beating your children" question, but Hillary answered it anyway.) The answer that Hillary gave is that her opinions evolved; she was less driven to support gay marriage now than she did in her early years in the Senate but is happy to be open about it now because of the trail blazed by others. It was a gutsy admission.

I have no idea why Gross couldn't be satisfied with that.

[Buzz Clik]

49. Yeah, that's pretty obsessive on Gross's part.

We all took delight in bashing Bill O'Reilly when he walked out of an interview with her, but the reality is she did the same thing to him. She asked him about the dust up with Al Franken over Franken's book, O'Reilly gave a diplomatic response and moved on. She asked again about it, and he asked her to stop. The third time, he gave up.

It's not a style that works.

[MrMickeysMom]

18. Well, if badgering means you want to clarify, then she's real decent...

I think it's damn decent to put someone on the hot seat who has been slow to recognize something like gay marriage. Same thing goes for equal rights for workers across both side of the border.

Now, THERE'S a question I'd like HRC to be badgered about.

[Motown_Johnny]

12. When it became politically advantageous for her to support it.

Same old same old.

[Thinkingabout]

15. When did it become advantageous to ask her ten times?

[Motown_Johnny]

19. When she wouldn't answer the first 9 times.

If she had answered the first time then it would not have been asked again.



This is on her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. She answered it several times, just not to Gross' liking./NT

[Motown_Johnny]

57. So when was it?

I listened to the interview. All I got was "when I was ready to say it I said it" as the best answer.

More like the best non-answer.

[Thinkingabout]

22. what was the point to ask ten times, if she did not answer the first nine times, just think how

many questions he was not able to ask because the got stuck on one. Yep, it could have been ten different question, only got in one but ten times.

[uponit7771]

51. +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Which is true of almost every politician...

How many elected leaders supported marriage equality in

1970
1980
1990
2000
2010

Singling out one person for opprobrium when another person does the same thing without being singled out strikes me as wrong.

[Motown_Johnny]

20. What other person who has announced a run for the Presidency in 2016

has changed his/her opinion on marriage equality?


All of them should be asked that question, not just her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. When did the president change his opinion?

When did the vice president change his opinion?

[RoccoR5955]

52. Just as when she became a Democrat.

She was a RepubliCON until it was cool to be against the Viet Nam war, then, all of a sudden, she became a Democrat.
I bet that she voted for Raygun!

[KittyWampus]

54. No, that would be Elizabeth Warren. Hillary Clinton was a Republican briefly as a teenager.

Like, when she couldn't vote.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. Don't confuse your interlocutor with facts. That will only confuse/upset him or her./NT

[Motown_Johnny]

58. Were you ever a Republican? Even as a teenager?

I know I never was. Not even close.

[RoccoR5955]

65. Me neither... Not even during the Eisenhower days, when *I* couldn't vote!

NEVER EVER a RepubliCON!
And at this point in time, I am barely a Democrat!
The Democratic Party has gone so far to the right, that they might have even nominated Raygun, had he been running today!

[world wide wally]

17. Does it really make any difference when?

Let me know when Terry Gross "badgers" a Republican for an answer.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. I just realized this interview is nearly a year old....

The animus for one woman is incredible.

[Agschmid]

25. Yup.

[WillyT]

26. So Her View On This Subject Changed Within The Last 12 Months ???

Right when she was considering the Presidency ???

What a Coinky-Dink.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Her position changed at roughly the same time Biden's and Obama's changed.

What a Coinky-Dink.

[WillyT]

29. That IS A Coincidence, No ???

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Shuuushhh. I will let you on a secret, just you and me...They are all politicians....

[WillyT]

32. LOL... Shhh...

Politicians... tends to be an Acronym...for LIARS.

Especially when money is involved.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. No , but they are very cautious when it comes to hot button issues...

It ain't necessarily right but it is necessarily so...

I was looking at the DOMA vote... It's alternately sad and amazing how many so called progressives voted for it.

[AuntPatsy]

27. Agree

[PoliticAverse]

34. CNN: Hillary Clinton has a new position on same-sex marriage

Washington (CNN)As recently as a year ago, Hillary Clinton was sparring with a public radio host about her position on same-sex marriage, defending her past reticence to discuss the issue and falling well short of full-throated support. Now, in a markedly new position, Clinton is offering just that, calling gay marriage a right afforded by the Constitution.

"Hillary Clinton supports marriage equality and hopes the Supreme Court will come down on the side of same-sex couples being guaranteed that constitutional right," said Adrienne Elrod, a Clinton spokeswoman, in a statement. This is an entirely new position for Clinton.

...

As a candidate in 2008, Clinton opposed same-sex marriage, supporting the idea of civil unions instead. She did not proclaim her personal support for same-sex marriage until 2013, after she left her diplomatic position as secretary of state.

During a 2014 interview with NPR, Clinton and host Terry Gross sparred over the topic in a conversation that, at times, grew testy. Clinton told Gross that she always viewed marriage as "a matter left to the states and in many of the conversations I and my colleagues and supporters had, I fully endorse the efforts by activists to work state-by-state."

Read the rest at: http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/15/politics/hillary-clinton-same-sex-marriage/

[blkmusclmachine]

38. Clinton signs DOMA/DADT into law.

[blkmusclmachine]

40. Pic URL: http://270c81.medialib.glogster.com/media/

[azureblue]

39. and the point of this diary is what?

You need to confess- this is a smear attack. Ms. Clinton made her stance on marriage equality very clear in the last few days, beginning with that TV ad, and there is no reason whatsoever to have her explain how her viewpoint on same sex marriage evolved. You assume that she was not for it from the beginning, so you think you can be clever and use this interview as an attack weapon. She responded - she answered, but the interviewer ignored her response,, because his game of gotcha was thwarted.Your intention is to distract from her qualifications. Gawd are you clumsy, and obvious as a skunk in church, at that.

[Fearless]

41. it wasn't a safe position yet

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. Nor for her and most other politicians...

[Fearless]

46. What does that say about those politicians?

[DeSwiss]

43. Terry Gross is one of the last great interviewer/journalists.

- Anywhere. And in particular on NPR.

K&R



No cakewalks, Hils......

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. Politician like Hillary squirm when asked for straight answers.

"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians. Now, to go and stick one at the very head of government couldn't be wise." Mark Twain

[Major Hogwash]

47. Hillary was against marriage equality back in 2004, maybe even as late as 2007.

I don't think she supported marriage equality until she was no longer a member of the Senate.
I read an article about this very issue concerning Hillary the other day, the day when Skinner decided to go to Chipotle.

The article stated that Hillary simply was not supportive of marriage equality when she was the First Lady.
It said that she wasn't against it, but she didn't advocate for it either.
But, it said that she changed her position when she ran for the Senate, opposing marriage equality.
Later on, she fell silent on the issue, refusing to talk about it when she ran for President in 2008.
And that she only became supportive of marriage equality sometime in the last 2 or 3 years.

[tularetom]

48. We're going to hear a lot of interviews like that on a lot of subjects

As Clinton tries to avoid embarrassing questions about policies she consistently supported for twenty years but now opposes.

Hopefully voters will eventually get the message that it's all bullshit, nothing has changed, she hasn't really "evolved" and she'll say anything to get elected like any other hack politician.

After she's elected she can un-evolve and revert to her old habits. And if she ever gets asked what happened to the new "evolved" Hillary she can always say she "misspoke". It's worked well for her in the past.

[HereSince1628]

53. Changing positions is always a problem for long time public figures

the current 'listening-campaign' that will exist prior to policy statements has the function of opening a path from the past to the present policy preferences.

Referencing what might be seen as focus-groups as listening at hometown roundtables cleverly softens the image of relentless testing of which way the wind is blowing.

It's going to enable her campaign to escape claims of flip-flopping under the cover of the marketing of Hillary as the people's champion by team H>.

The flip-floppy thing was the bane of Kerry's campaign, it's clear the strategy is going to push against anything that raises those claims against Hillary

[Renew Deal]

55. It doesn't matter

And it's idiotic to attack people in this way. You have people on your side that agree with your pool sirius and now you want to know how long they agree? Who cares

[Bluenorthwest]

59. This OP is a perfect definition of the word 'exploitation'. Here we have a poster

who recently did a 'Civil Rights hardly matter' treatise in GD, making use of an old story and the issues contained in it not to advocate for the issue or the people who care about the issue, but to attack a politician for reasons that have nothing to do with the issue, about which the OP has already said he thinks 'hardly ever matter'.
That's exploitation, when I talk about you to benefit me.

[WillyT]

61. You're Funny... You Gonna Be Ok ???

And BTW... for someone who portrays themselves as a far left/gay rights activist...

You sure have a strange way to show it.

[Bluenorthwest]

66. I came back to this thread after WillyT was banned to point out his ongoing assholery

A bully, always attacking minorities on DU for his own pleasure.

[AtomicKitten]

60. From TPM: "Hillary's Big Shift on Same Sex Marriage"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/hillary-clinton-shift-same-sex-marriage

[lumberjack_jeff]

62. Am I the only one capable of taking "yes" for an answer?

Q) do you support marriage equality?
A) Yes.

Next question please. I don't need to know more than that, and I'm not interested in trying to find a way to make that an unacceptable answer.

[WillyT]

64. It's The Fear Of Political Convenience...

Most of thought... when Barack Obama started out as opposed to gay marriage, and then "evolved"...

He was... "being clever by half" ???

Or lying...

It's the calculating and parsing that leads to people giving up on politics.

These days... I think used car salesmen have a higher ranking than politicians.

[Metric System]

63. Hillary has the support of the gay community, generally speaking. You may be trying to make this an

issue, but we aren't.