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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders about to announce a run for the White House, IMO
Based on the last couple interviews I have seen, I think he is gonna do it.
Will have to change my sig pic and get to work...
Cleita
(75,480 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)He could run as ind up to the Dem primary I guess
Cleita
(75,480 posts)tracks29
(98 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,382 posts)On the "Nightly Show"
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)He can run as an ind up to the point of the nomination in the Dem party, couldnt he.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)He will have nothing to do with anything that helps a rightwing Republican gain the presidency in 2016 as the party of Koch. His interview from Mother Jones:
Bernie Sanders: I will not be a spoiler who ends up helping to elect a right-wing Republican
MJ: Are you running for president?
BS: I am thinking about running for president. I want to make sure that if I do it, I do it well. Not just for my own ego, but if we run a poor campaign then what I believe in becomes discredited. I am trying to ascertain if I can do it well. I am not like a billionaire who says, "Well, I have decided to run, I have given my campaign manager a billion dollars, we're off and running." This is a different type of campaign. It has to be thought out.
MJ: Would you run as an independent?
BS: There is growing frustration with the two-party system. If I were a multibillionaire the answer would be pretty simple: I would have the financial resources to set up a political infrastructure in 50 states. If you run within the Democratic Caucus, there are a lot of people who would say, "Why did you participate in a party that doesn't stand for very much?" On the other hand, you would be in the debates, get more media attention.
But no matter what I do, I will not play the role of a spoiler who ends up helping to elect a right-wing Republican...
MJ: What happens if we go into the Democratic primary with no serious progressives in the race?
BS: It would be very, very disappointingnot just for the progressive movement but for the American people and our political system. We just came from an election where 63 percent of the people did not vote. Eighty percent of young people did not vote. I think the American people are hurting, frustrated, angry, and they want to get an understanding of what's going on and how we can change the system to improve the lives of working families. And those ideas are not in this political debate...
MJ: If Hillary Clinton became president, would that be a step forward or a step back?
BS: It depends. I have known Hillary Clinton for many, many years. At this particular point, we have no idea of what she will campaign on and what she would do if she were elected president. What I know is, I voted against the war in Iraq and helped lead the effort against that. I was one of the strongest voices in Congress against the deregulation of Wall Street. I believe in a single-payer national health care system. I do not want to see the United States entangled in a never-ending war in the Middle East. I am opposed to the Keystone pipeline. And I am very strongly opposed to the trade policies that we've had for 35 years, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership. That's my reckoning. You'll have to ask Hillary what her views are.
That is from treestar's OP:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026451036
He is quoting from this article:
Bernie Sanders Goes Biblical on Income Inequality
The Senate's pugilistic progressive on timorous Dems, America's greed problem, and whether he'll run for president...
http://bit.ly/1CVEh0F
I REALLY, REALLY want him to run as a Democrat. He is in the Democratic caucus and stands against the GOP Libertarian Koch brothers consistently. There is NO daylight between his views and mine.
I might add, HRC was for UHC and it was hashed out a long time ago with great vehemence. And she'll support whoever the nominee will be. The Keystone issue is moot, as Obama vetoed, as I always knew he would due to the statements of well known environmentalists and many conservatives. They said he would not allow it, and he gave his reasons years ago. His manuevering to prevent it is the main reason the Koches and their media created the Tea Party and they have gotten more aggressive with every budget. Obama stated it was a danger not just to climate change, but politically, as the Koch brothers stood to double their $100B net worth with a tax free $100B add from the money they'd make off the pipeline being used as they intended.
The Tea Party was hatched for that as Obama stymied the rubber stamp approval of the pipeline made by Bush in 2007, but more so to implement their long standing agenda, detailed by Reid and Sanders:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014833821#post10
The week Bernie put that online and Reid put it on the floor of the Senate, the Koch media took the momentum it was getting in MSM by going with Bundy 24/7 news coverage so Americans forgot the Koches completely. It was a direct shot across the bow at Reid, in his own backyard and part of their agenda:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026048804
Although some may not like his support of Israel, and I believe intrinsic to his values are all human rights, I do not cede to those who claim everything is about ideology or income inequality as some of their ideal societies left homophobia and misogyny intact while addressing income inequality.
Giving all heterosexual men (of the correct ideological bent, corporate or governmental favor) the right to make a good wage doesn't take care of the rest of the people. There is not cosmic force that says a certain segment of the population will even want a social safety net that benefits anything but their own group.
Equality must be respected unconditionally or it's not Equality, period.
My doubts of his running as I'd like him to do, is that he's stated he is not interested in just being there as a lightning rod in the Democratic debate forum. I felt he would be effective in probing Democratic candidates to prove what they will fight for as POTUS.
In the end, Sanders will support the Democrat, just as he went around the country urging people to come to the polls in 2014 to defeat Republicans, specifically. He sees the difference in the two parties, but wants to go farther. To me, he is a FDR New Deal kind of Democrat by definition, as FDR took the Democratic Party in a different direction to win, and as JFK also began with the Liberal Party then became a Dem.
I'm willing to be corrected, but know they got endorsements before getting in the primaries as Democrats. This post is merely my unsolicted opinion.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)former "Democratic" first lady; who went on to become a "Democratic" senator from the great state of NY, and finally a "Democratic" Sec of State, appointed by the sitting "Democratic" President of the United States?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and I just checked the odds again today at PredictWise....
Hillary Clinton odds are now over 75% while Bernie Sanders is at 0.1%.....that is a lot of negative territory he will have to dig out of....and HUGE list of ACTUAL dyed in the wool Democrats not "johnny-come-latelys" that have MUCH better odds than that that he would have to overcome....his chances are not that much better than a snowballs in hell!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)He was beating Bernie by over 30 points in '08, and was still beating him by nearly 20 points in his 2012 re-election. I have a feeling we'll see similar results in HRC v. BS.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Cory Booker 0.1 %
Sherrod Brown 0.1 %
Ron Wyden 0.1 %
Michelle Obama 0.1 %
Julian Castro 0.1 %
John Kerry 0.1 %
Chris Matthews 0.1 %
Bev Perdue 0.1 %
Al Franken 0.1 %
Ed Rendell 0.1 %
Bernie Sanders 0.1 %
Even Kathleen Sebelius has a better chance of winning the Primary!
Kathleen Sebelius 0.5 %
http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016DemNomination
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)for quite awhile. Democrats should be celebrating the fact that she's the only one who beats every GOP contender.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)income inequality gets a fair hearing.
Dont you think a contested primary makes Hillary stronger?
Dont you think being forced to deal with issues like income inequality will bring her even more voters?
I do
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)No party funds should be spent to support the guy who called for Obama to be primaried in his re-election bid. Screw him! If Bernie does this, it will be to take advantage of the infrastructure built by a party that he's not a member of. What's even more, I'll wager that most of his loudest "supporters" are the ones who boast about never having given a dime to the DNC, DSCC, DCCC, etc.
I have much more respect for Elizabeth Warren who has not let Republicans goad her into a bitter primary fight to divide and conquer. It's the only way they can win.
appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)That ceases until they change and stop including and supporting the likes of Rahm Emmanuel, who takes big money from RW interests and corporations, is verbally abusive to residents and worse. I support Senator Sanders like many others.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)of the Dem. polling numbers posted here frequently, including those placing Hillary far ahead of any others. Sen. Sanders contributes much to the national dialogue and across party lines, on many serious issues and the systemic rot we now face. I look forward to Hillary speaking out on the issues when she declares her intent to run for office.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)Getting very excited, we need him to run.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)But I think Bernie, while he really has no chance, really could be a strong voice on a lot of issues.
I also want to see how the lamestream media covers his announcement, if it mirrors how overboard they went with the obviously unelectable Cruz...we're gonna see some discrepancy here.
Autumn
(45,096 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)i am sure Hillary will win, but I vote, give and work for Bernie!
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(32,139 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)Yes, he looks to be running.