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riqster

(13,986 posts)
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:52 PM Apr 2015

Teapublicans now say that cakes are “Speech”. Really. Yes, really.

https://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/teapublicans-now-say-that-cakes-are-speech-really-yes-really/

Source info at the link.


“Speech” is the latest extraconstitutional workaround for anything illegal that Repubs want to get away with. Citizens United is the most egregious example: by defining money as “speech”, the Roberts Court removed almost every restriction against political spending, AKA bribery. It also means that those people with more money have more “free” speech.

See how it works? By sneaking something odious and corrupt under the protection of the First Amendment, Teapublicans make said odious thing almost impossible to control or even keep track of. That is how the criminal enterprise known as the GOP rolls.

So this morning, Mr. B & C was driving to The Place That Pays Him To Go There, and heard a Babtist preacher on the radio further attempt to add discriminatory practices against LGBTQ citizens as protected by the First Amendment. Specifically: he claimed that a cake was “speech”.

Again: Teavangelicals want wedding cakes classed as speech. Christ on a Kitchen Aid. This is ridiculous, but sadly not all that unusual. The Babtist Boyo says that a baker (or pizza maker, florist, etc.) is providing speech via their pastries and such. Thus it would be a violation of a baker’s free speech rights to have to bake a cake for a gay person. Seriously, he says that. Click the link and listen for yourself.

Teapublicans clearly wouldn’t know “speech” if it bit them on their wedding tackle. But then, they don’t really care about our Constitutional rights: they want to overthrow our current system of government and replace it with a theocracy. And this is just another step on their way to that goal. Anyone other than White male Teavangelicals is at risk.

Vote the “Republicans” out. All of them. And that soon.
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Teapublicans now say that cakes are “Speech”. Really. Yes, really. (Original Post) riqster Apr 2015 OP
I guess diner stools and bus seats must be, as well. Orsino Apr 2015 #1
And rocks. Air. Water. riqster Apr 2015 #4
Only if every time one of them opened their mouth, someone shoved a piece of cake in it . . . Journeyman Apr 2015 #2
I thought those were pie-holes. riqster Apr 2015 #3
soon they'll be saying the 13th amendment violates their freedom and religious rights.... unblock Apr 2015 #5
Not an accident. That is the Teabagger end game. riqster Apr 2015 #6
Thank god Scarlett left me all those skirts. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #10
Lawsy! riqster Apr 2015 #13
When manipulation of law 2naSalit Apr 2015 #7
Very true. riqster Apr 2015 #14
NPR's finest hour since broadcasting that "hundreds" of Iraq war protesters marched in DC hatrack Apr 2015 #8
NPR: "Now Proudly Republican". riqster Apr 2015 #15
Scalia said that "Money is speech." Is it such a stretch to see his fans saying BLANK is speech closeupready Apr 2015 #9
Anything they want to be speech is speech. riqster Apr 2015 #16
And, to take that to its logical conclusion, how long before liberal speech will NOT be speech? closeupready Apr 2015 #25
It does beg the question... Where is the line? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #11
Art is not the question. Speech is. Political speech. riqster Apr 2015 #20
And from the unforseen ramifications camp... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #31
That explains why chocolate cake is always calling my name. Vinca Apr 2015 #12
Saint Joan of Cake. riqster Apr 2015 #18
What's next? Wedding cakes are people, my friend? NightWatcher Apr 2015 #17
Binders full of cakes! riqster Apr 2015 #19
Ummm, binders full of cakes.... NightWatcher Apr 2015 #21
Just wait for it... 2naSalit Apr 2015 #22
Doubleplusungood. riqster Apr 2015 #24
Yes they are. And so are cookies monsters! yellowcanine Apr 2015 #30
Well, they kind of are. GoCubsGo Apr 2015 #23
Or, "I am f***ing crazy". riqster Apr 2015 #26
Another candidate for Cake Wrecks. GoCubsGo Apr 2015 #28
It is true! Cakes speak to me all the time. "Come on, a little piece won't hurt you, you can skip yellowcanine Apr 2015 #27
Cake is salad. riqster Apr 2015 #33
In the ongoing Washington State case DebbieCDC Apr 2015 #29
The only time flowers are speech in my world, are when I grab a rose the wrong way. riqster Apr 2015 #35
AHA! baptist precher on NPR said cake=speech. it must be coming from rush or fuxx gnewz...... pansypoo53219 Apr 2015 #32
It's Teavangelical talking points, quoted on air. riqster Apr 2015 #34
Isn't the person ordering the cake the one providing the speech? justiceischeap Apr 2015 #36
Evidently the Baptist Bakers see it differently. riqster Apr 2015 #37
They are going to eat their words corkhead Apr 2015 #38
lol, nice one. Vattel Apr 2015 #39
DUzy! riqster Apr 2015 #40
I had someone reply to me about bakers having to fill orders from Atheists with cookies saying... LynneSin Apr 2015 #41
And that was the icing on the cake... riqster Apr 2015 #42
Let them speak cake!!! Coventina Apr 2015 #43
Oui! riqster Apr 2015 #44

unblock

(52,241 posts)
5. soon they'll be saying the 13th amendment violates their freedom and religious rights....
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:04 PM
Apr 2015

their republicans' arguments sound more and more like the south's pre-civil war arguments every day.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
6. Not an accident. That is the Teabagger end game.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:13 PM
Apr 2015

Look into the 1851 Center and other such groups much beloved by the Roberts Five. They want a rollback to antebellum law.

2naSalit

(86,634 posts)
7. When manipulation of law
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:21 PM
Apr 2015

turns a verb into a noun... speech becomes and object, then everything can be determined to be "speech" and banks on the concept that actions speak louder than words.

We need to make this a thing of the past in a permanent way and soon or we will lose everything we thought we had.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
8. NPR's finest hour since broadcasting that "hundreds" of Iraq war protesters marched in DC
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:23 PM
Apr 2015

I've seen horse collars and potted geraniums that could have done a better job with this "interview" than Inskeep. Cake is speech . . . . and nothing even approaching a "question" from his numb lips in the way of a response.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
9. Scalia said that "Money is speech." Is it such a stretch to see his fans saying BLANK is speech
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:28 PM
Apr 2015

'because we say so!'? It was only a matter of time.

Meanwhile, just a couple years ago, these VERY SAME GROUPS were complaining that gay people were 'redefining' marriage.

These people are complete CLOWNS.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
25. And, to take that to its logical conclusion, how long before liberal speech will NOT be speech?
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:08 PM
Apr 2015

Or even less radically, how long before liberal speech is ruled as speech which is NOT protected by the 1st Amendment?

If Scalia can pull a rabbit out of a hat and call it macaroni, he can part the Red Sea and render the Bill of Rights utterly meaningless.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
11. It does beg the question... Where is the line?
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:39 PM
Apr 2015

Just to play devils advocate... on a speech spectrum, where does "speech" stop and what does it turn into?

1. Picaso Art Painting
2. Picaso Art Painting painted with food dyes for paint
3. Picaso Art Painting painted with food dyes on a canvas wrapped around a small inedible cylinder
4. Picaso Art Painting painted with food dyes on a edible media wrapped around a small inedible cylinder
5. Picaso Art Painting painted with food dyes on a edible media wrapped around a small edible cylinder (cake)

Now, one can specify Picaso art, but would it matter who the artist is? Including the cake maker themselves? How much "art" needs to go into a cake to make it "art"?

Keep in mind here... I don't support this crazy lady and her ilk... but just trying to uncover where the line is?

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
31. And from the unforseen ramifications camp...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:53 PM
Apr 2015
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/lgbtq/wiccans-are-defending-indianas-right-to-discriminate-law-and-the-reason-should-pss-mike-pence-off/

Governor Mike Pence and lawmakers in Indiana may have opened a can of worms with their “Religious Freedom Restoration Act” – at least according to some Wiccans, who claim that it will give them greater freedom to enjoy polyamory, bestiality, drugs and nudity.

The Wiccan religion is a modern interpretation of paganism. Many believe in witchcraft and many practice rituals that could include sex and drugs. Wiccans are extremely open minded and highly inclusive of LGBT people. That’s why it’s surprising that they could be for a law that would end up discriminating.

Wiccans, though, see the other side of that law, and they see it as allowing them to express their religious beliefs, despite the fact that many Christians see Wicca as along the same lines as devil worship.

2naSalit

(86,634 posts)
22. Just wait for it...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:05 PM
Apr 2015

I know it will be a statement somewhere before long! Double-speak has become pretzel speak that loops back around to re-identify the object to make a claim more believable to the dim-witted and those so distracted by technology that they can't pay attention to reality.

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
23. Well, they kind of are.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:06 PM
Apr 2015

This one says, "Death will await you with nasty, big, pointy teeth..."



(For the record, I think their argument is B.S., for reasons others have already pointed out here.)

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
27. It is true! Cakes speak to me all the time. "Come on, a little piece won't hurt you, you can skip
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:17 PM
Apr 2015

lunch tomorrow." Or "I am a gluten free low calorie cake. I am healthy for you!" Cakes can be very persuasive.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
33. Cake is salad.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:20 PM
Apr 2015

Processed a bit, but it all starts off as plants of some sort.

Salad is made from plants.

Cake is salad. QED.

DebbieCDC

(2,543 posts)
29. In the ongoing Washington State case
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 02:32 PM
Apr 2015

of the florist who refused to provide flowers for a gay wedding, she tried to argue it would impinge on her artistic freedom of expression AND freedom of religion to arrange flowers for gays. Of course, it was fine that these gay folks had been her clients for years and years. It was only when the dreaded "wedding" word was uttered did their business become an imposition on her "freedoms".

Obviously florist lost round 1 but no doubt the baggers (who are financing her) will push it to the next level.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
35. The only time flowers are speech in my world, are when I grab a rose the wrong way.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:23 PM
Apr 2015

My speech in such cases is not very Christian.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
36. Isn't the person ordering the cake the one providing the speech?
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 03:25 PM
Apr 2015

If I'm ordering a cake with words on it, I'm the one providing the words. Not the baker. So, the preacher is right. Someone's free speech is being infringed upon and it isn't the bakers.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
41. I had someone reply to me about bakers having to fill orders from Atheists with cookies saying...
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 07:24 AM
Apr 2015

'Their is no God' written on them.

I said that was the world's dumbest argument because Atheists aren't low-life unintelligent people who go around getting kicks forcing people to bake cookies with 'There is no God' on them. And even if they did, anyone baking them isn't ascribing to that religious theory - they are just baking cookies. They can pray for forgiveness aftewards.

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