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WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:16 AM Apr 2015

Are you able to disagree with someone without hating him/her?

If you agree with people about most things, but disagree with them about some things, is that still hating them?

The hate meme gets thrown around so prolifically around here, it makes me wonder sometimes.

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Are you able to disagree with someone without hating him/her? (Original Post) WillowTree Apr 2015 OP
Text communication strips out a lot of the visual and auditory cues we use to actually Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #1
Is treating people with respect the same as agreeing with them? Lex Apr 2015 #2
It is entirely possible that I might do something....... WillowTree Apr 2015 #15
For instance, providing people goods and services is respectful Lex Apr 2015 #16
Yes Bluzmann57 Apr 2015 #3
I don't think virtually anyone can give a blanket answer to that. Daemonaquila Apr 2015 #4
Frankly it depends on what we're disagreeing about. RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #5
Sure. I contain multitudes. Brickbat Apr 2015 #6
Most things, sure. But I can't just 'disagree' with Objectivists, for instance. Marr Apr 2015 #7
I disagree, and I hate you for asking that. Orrex Apr 2015 #8
Sure, one of my oldest and dearest friends thinks he's a libertarian. Coventina Apr 2015 #9
I think hatred and disdain comes very natural to us as a species el_bryanto Apr 2015 #10
I don't let myself fall into hating; I just put them on ignore if they are unreasonable or closeupready Apr 2015 #11
I have a friend whose a tea leaf short of being a Tea Party conservative, Cleita Apr 2015 #12
Hate is voting to starve children, take healthcare away from people. onecaliberal Apr 2015 #13
Depends on what we're disagreeing about... LeftinOH Apr 2015 #14
It depends on what's at stake Populist_Prole Apr 2015 #17
With someone who advocates for hurting others? Maybe not. Orsino Apr 2015 #18
What specific instances are you referring to? nt Zorra Apr 2015 #19
More pity than hate fadedrose Apr 2015 #20
The opposite of both love and hate is indifference. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #21
Interesting Question qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #22
Contextually...sure. Chan790 Apr 2015 #23
Hatred for LGBT is the reason that RW self-identified christians pass laws that they can use to Zorra Apr 2015 #24
It appears to be a situational "morality" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #25
Speaking as someone who is always right... Binkie The Clown Apr 2015 #26
Being both a Buddhist and a Christian, hatred always hurts the hatee most. libdem4life Apr 2015 #27
Nope CloneClinton Apr 2015 #28

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. Text communication strips out a lot of the visual and auditory cues we use to actually
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:21 AM
Apr 2015

understand how people feel about an issue. As a result, people tend to simply make guesses about the mental and emotional states of people with whom they are arguing, and to overemphasize their projected emotions.

I've been accused of being frothing or vitriolic in comments that I wrote while simply being sarcastic or even amused.

So accusations of 'hate' are probably more often a reflection on the mental and emotional states of the person making such an accusation than they are of the people at whom they are tossed.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
15. It is entirely possible that I might do something.......
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:55 AM
Apr 2015

.......or hold a belief or opinion that the other person might percieve as disrespect when I do, in fact, respect them and do not, to any degree whatsoever, hate them.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
16. For instance, providing people goods and services is respectful
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:30 PM
Apr 2015

but it doesn't mean you "agree with" many things about them.
However, refusing to do something as basic as that seems spiteful and hateful to me.


Bluzmann57

(12,336 posts)
3. Yes
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:22 AM
Apr 2015

I disagree with certain people about certain things and yet we still like each other.
I suppose it matters what the issue is. For instance, a former friend spouted off about Asian people, calling them, well I won't repeat it here but the key word starts with a G. I am married to an Asian woman so I told him off and have never had contact with him since then. But I have friends with whom I disagree on economic issues and maybe a social issue or two and we are still friends.

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
4. I don't think virtually anyone can give a blanket answer to that.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:22 AM
Apr 2015

For example, I have a lot of friends I disagree with on certain important issues. Hate? Absolutely not. However, there are some people, let's say Dick Cheney or Pat Robertson, who I disagree with on so many issues, and their general outlook on pretty much anything important is so vile, that yes, I can say I hate them.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
5. Frankly it depends on what we're disagreeing about.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:22 AM
Apr 2015

Hate might be a strong word, but certain disagreements definitely indicate what type of person you're dealing with.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
7. Most things, sure. But I can't just 'disagree' with Objectivists, for instance.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:34 AM
Apr 2015

I think their beliefs make them heartless pricks/utter morons, by definition.

Coventina

(27,120 posts)
9. Sure, one of my oldest and dearest friends thinks he's a libertarian.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:36 AM
Apr 2015

I say "thinks he is" because he's on SSDI and Medicaid.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
10. I think hatred and disdain comes very natural to us as a species
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:37 AM
Apr 2015

I also think that feeling morally superior to someone else feels great. When you can combine the two - the pleasure we seem to take out of hatred, with the warm assurance that we are morally right - well that's a nice feeling.

And of course, online there's much less consequences for opening your mouth and being mean or hurtful.

Bryant

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
11. I don't let myself fall into hating; I just put them on ignore if they are unreasonable or
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:38 AM
Apr 2015

here on DU just to be malicious and trollish.

That said, I think I disagree with everyone on this board about something or other. That's democracy.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
12. I have a friend whose a tea leaf short of being a Tea Party conservative,
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:41 AM
Apr 2015

yet we are friends to the point that we look out after each other's interests and properties like BFEEs would. We can't talk about anything political though because we are at polar opposites in beliefs and opinions.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
13. Hate is voting to starve children, take healthcare away from people.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:50 AM
Apr 2015

Send poor folks to fight your endless wars and then refuse to care for them when they return. Endlessly seek to cut food stamps, social security, Medicaid and Medicare. Force the poor to pay for large corporations to escape any taxation. Discriminate on people because their skin color is not the same as yours. Militarize the police, so they can quell the uprising when it happens.

LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
14. Depends on what we're disagreeing about...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:54 AM
Apr 2015

If it's whether or not the toilet paper roll should trail from the top or bottom of the roll, then I can deal someone being wrong (like when it's pulled from the bottom).

If it's whether or not, say, "open carry" gun exhibitionists are demonstrating their freedom ..or simply being monstrous creeps, then I'm probably going to hate on them a bit.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
17. It depends on what's at stake
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:52 PM
Apr 2015

Obviously, disagreements on matters of personal tastes or likes/dislikes don't matter.

Speaking metaphysically, or even politically, there can be a lot at stake.

For example;

Person A strongly advocates a policy that would, if enacted, destroy person B's livelihood, but merely solidify person A's gains.

Even if person A in themselves can't make said policy happen, I could well understand person B's being angered by person A's indifference; and so I could understand feelings of malice on person B's part.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
18. With someone who advocates for hurting others? Maybe not.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:57 PM
Apr 2015

I hope I can still recognize the merely uninformed who don't realize the misery they are helping to perpetuate, and save the actual hatred for those who profit from it.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
21. The opposite of both love and hate is indifference.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:12 PM
Apr 2015

When it comes to politicians, I'm indifferent. Which is why I vote policies and principles rather than party or politician.

qwlauren35

(6,148 posts)
22. Interesting Question
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:13 PM
Apr 2015

I recently found out that a woman I knew thought that Trayvon Martin was racist because he called Zimmerman "a cracker who's following me" and that Zimmerman had cause to be armed and patrolling the neighborhood due to recent robberies and he was within his rights to shoot and kill Martin. Obviously, the court and jury agreed.

Made me sick inside. But I couldn't bring myself to hate her.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
23. Contextually...sure.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:18 PM
Apr 2015

I disagree with my best friend on whether his wife is attractive...she's not. I don't hate him.

On more important issues like who should be the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee...it's too important to not hate partisan supporters of evil candidates.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
24. Hatred for LGBT is the reason that RW self-identified christians pass laws that they can use to
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:18 PM
Apr 2015

discriminate against LGBT.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
25. It appears to be a situational "morality"
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:18 PM
Apr 2015

One's own mob is larger/more vocal than the other mob. Those who are on the out-side tend to be more civil and conciliatory. Those are the more numerous/louder side seem to feel they are at liberty to give way to the frenzy.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
26. Speaking as someone who is always right...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:27 PM
Apr 2015

I just feel sorry for people who don't see things as clearly as I do.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
27. Being both a Buddhist and a Christian, hatred always hurts the hatee most.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:40 PM
Apr 2015

One minister (also speaking of revenge) said that it's like taking poison and hoping the other person dies. I see no reason, ever, to pollute myself by stooping to another's level. There is always a high road, should one choose to reach for it.

CloneClinton

(31 posts)
28. Nope
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 01:42 PM
Apr 2015

Every time I disagree with something on this site I get called a troll even though I've been here a long time...

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