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YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:38 PM Mar 2015

Have you ever met an opponent of gay marriage who wasn't also opposed to homosexuality in general?

With the opposition to the latter-even (perhaps especially) when it's cloaked in religious dogma-being a variation on the same basic theme: "Gays are icky!"

Seems to me that a lot (most? all?) of the opposition to gay marriage-and LGBT rights in general-comes from that visceral, irrational revulsion a lot of people in our society have toward homosexuality.

Of course, homosexuality is also a violation of socially constructed gender roles for men and women* (to say nothing of transgender and transsexual identities, which are still woefully and shamefully not recognized by mainstream society as being legitimate human identities), so there's that, too.

*What the hell is a "man" or a "woman", besides the most basic biology of "male" and "female"? Are the sociocultural expressions of gender (or individual gender identities) the same as gender itself? And how is gender different from sex? Note that these are *somewhat* rhetorical questions...I've strayed a bit off topic, LOL!

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Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
1. When it's tied to religious dogma, it's not "icky," it's considered immoral.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:44 PM
Mar 2015

Immoral thoughts in some sects are enough, others limit it to immoral deeds. The revulsion is a clear as revulsion for murder.
As for gender identity, many faiths adhere to a binary set with no room for variation.

Faith-based phobias are the hardest to change.

still_one

(92,493 posts)
2. Worse than that, republicans who have been outed as gay, before that exposure were proponents of
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 01:44 PM
Mar 2015

some of the most anti-gay legislation presented, which in some ways is worse, because of the hypocrisy.

Though never officially outed, David Dryer was one such republican:

http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/david_dreier_outed_brad_smith_gay_920.htm

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
7. Hey, marriage is an institution.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 03:03 PM
Mar 2015

But then again, who wants to live in an institution? (OK, old joke, I admit).

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
5. Now that you mention it, nope. And most I would say also have a problem
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 03:01 PM
Mar 2015

with feminism and equal rights for minorities. In general.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. Barack Obama opposed marriage equality until 2012.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 03:02 PM
Mar 2015

And I'm pretty sure he never made any statements about opposing homosexuality in general.

Also, Bill Clinton was strongly enough opposed to gay marriage that he signed DOMA, but I don't recall any evidence of him being an anti-gay bigot.

 

Wella

(1,827 posts)
9. Actually, yes; some are opposed to the legal arguments that got us to gay marriage but do not begrud
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 03:35 PM
Mar 2015

gays and lesbians committed relationships and safety from discrimination in the workplace.

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