Martin O’Malley, in Veiled Jab at Hillary Clinton, Derides Politics of ‘Triangulation’

[Agschmid]

Martin O’Malley, the former Maryland governor who is likely to seek the Democratic nomination for president in 2016, took a veiled shot at a potential rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton, in a speech in South Carolina on Saturday, criticizing the politics of “triangulation” that have historically been associated with the Clintons.

“The most fundamental power of our party and our country is the power of our moral principles,” Mr. O’Malley said, according to a transcript of his remarks provided by an aide.

In words that echoed those of Senator Barack Obama when he battled Mrs. Clinton in 2007 for the Democratic nomination, Mr. O’Malley added: “Triangulation is not a strategy that will move America forward. History celebrates profiles in courage, not profiles in convenience.”

Mr. O’Malley’s comments came at the Democratic Party’s John Spratt Issues Conference in Myrtle Beach, and South Carolina is a crucial early primary state that Mrs. Clinton lost to Mr. Obama. Mr. O’Malley has in the past declined to contrast himself with Mrs. Clinton.

Sounds like the "candidates" are starting to ramp up!

Source here.

[wyldwolf]

1. He's just tossing red meat words out ...

... hoping for attention. His words may echo candidate Obama's but The Audacity of Hope was full of third way rhetoric and he surrounded himself with DLC members once elected.

O'Malley seems less honest because he was actually a DLC member.

Not much credibility from him in this instance.

[Agschmid]

3. They all seem to surround themselves with that type of person...

[FSogol]

4. "he was actually a DLC member" Proof? Or are we just making stuff up?

[RiverLover]

12. Can't believe I'm backing this poster up, but OMalley was DLC & is a Third Way "New Democrat"

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/03/for-2016-take-martin-o-malley-seriously.html

[bigtree]

15. the article you point to clearly shows his commitment as Governor to enacting his progressivism

...and demonstrates that the DLC association can be nothing more than a meme used to marginalize politicians for petty political purposes rivaling the most insidious politics the DLC could ever offer.

"I sat down with O’Malley on July 11, a few hours after he stole the platform at the National Governors’ Association annual conference in Nashville and broke with the President by forcefully and emotionally calling for a more compassionate policy on the treatment of Central American children who’ve recently come to the United States illegally: “It is contrary to everything we stand for to try to summarily send children back to death.” ( a position backed by reality as O'Malley had already taken in hundreds of immigrating children into Maryland before it had become a question for other resisting governors; enhancing and supporting enactment of many of the provisions of the Dream Act independently in my state)

"O’Malley’s record as governor of Maryland, and before that mayor of Baltimore, provides plenty of manna to nourish starving progressives. Long before his immigration comments, the Governor punched through a succession of liberal hot-buttons: Marriage equality? Check. Gun control? Check. Death penalty repeal? Check. Decriminalizing pot and legalizing medical marijuana? Check and check. Some might argue that he’s even been too liberal for solid blue Maryland. In fact, some do, and vociferously: Discontented residents of four western counties have been pushing an initiative for months to secede from the rest of the state."

"...O’Malley can point to a fiscal track record that most progressives would embrace: investing record sums in education to produce the nation’s top ranked public schools five years in a row and lowest college tuition hikes since 2007; expanding the earned income tax credit and increasing the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour; and recovering all of the jobs lost in the national recession.

[RiverLover]

20. Yep. its a pro-O'Malley author, that's for sure. Also a former DLCr.

I just don't trust these guys. I would like to take O'Malley at face value though. What he appears to be now. And hopefully he's not a DLCr in disguise. We have enough of those.

[bigtree]

27. he writes about the conservative moves O'Malley has made and highlights his DLC connection

...the way you completely brushed off his actual progressive policy enactments which backed up his words with action, just for the sake of pigeonholing him into some political meme is a good example of the vacuousness of the 'DLC' canard.

No matter, if that's your political position against O'Malley, so be it. Just make certain you're not throwing perfectly acceptable and necessary policy out with that opportunistic politics of yours.

[eridani]

137. If Warren can change her mind, O'Malley can change his

I'd be fine with Hillary if she really changed her mind also.

[FSogol]

21. Here's O'Malley's resume from the Maryland State Archives

http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/08conoff/gov/former/html/msa13090.html

Notice out of the 50 of so organizations he was a member of, the DLC is not mentioned.

The bottom quarter is good reading on O'Malley's positions and what he accomplished in Maryland.

A former Governing Magazine “Public Official of the Year,” Governor O’Malley was re-elected in 2010. His 2013 legislative successes were described in a Baltimore Sun editorial as “without many parallels in recent Maryland history.”

With a balanced approach of spending cuts, regulatory reform, and modern investment in education, innovation, and infrastructure, Governor O’Malley and his Administration are making better choices that are delivering better results, including:

Fastest rate of job growth in the region.
#1 ranking for best public schools in America for an unprecedented five years in a row (Education Week).
#1 ranking for holding down the cost of college tuition (College Board).
#1 ranking for innovation and entrepreneurship for two years running (U.S. Chamber of Commerce).

Under the Governor’s leadership, Maryland also ranks:

#1 nationally in median income,
#1 in Ph.D. scientists and researchers per capita,
#1 in Research and Development, and
#1 in businesses owned by women.

Called “arguably the best manager in government” by Washington Monthly magazine, Governor O’Malley has cut State spending more than any previous governor in Maryland’s history, balancing these record cuts with targeted, modern investments in priorities like public education. He has reduced the size of government to its smallest size since 1973 (on a per capita basis) and reformed how it is managed, so that it works more efficiently and accountably. His actions to save Maryland’s State pension system have made it sustainable over the long term. His fiscal stewardship has nearly eliminated Maryland’s structural deficit. His efforts to streamline, consolidate and digitize processes like business licensing are making Maryland a better place to do business.

PS, part of a public informational archive and not bound by copyright.

The O’Malley-Brown Administration has expanded health care to more than 380,000 previously uninsured Marylanders. It has reduced infant mortality to an historic low, and provided meals to thousands of hungry children as it moves forward toward its goal for eradicating childhood hunger.

The Governor’s policies have made strides in restoring the health of the Chesapeake Bay and saving the Bay’s native blue crab and oyster populations.

The O’Malley Administration has secured millions of dollars in rate relief for Maryland energy consumers while jump-starting the creation of thousands of green energy sector jobs. Under Governor O’Malley’s leadership, Maryland led the charge for the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), the nation’s first cap-and-trade auction of greenhouse emissions.

Governor O’Malley has cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders and reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive. In addition, he signed the nation’s first statewide living wage law, along with some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Declaring that Marylanders are bound together by “the common thread of human dignity,” Governor O’Malley signed legislation to protect individual civil marriage rights and religious freedom, along with legislation to protect voting rights. He signed – and successfully defended at the ballot box – the DREAM Act, which expands the opportunity of a college education to more Marylanders.

[RiverLover]

25. That does sound really great. Thanks for posting.

Will try to keep an open mind. Would definitely vote in the primary for him over HRC .

[FSogol]

26. Mother Jones Mag also said he was the best candidate on environmental issues. n/t

[KittyWampus]

49. would have been nice if you'd done some research on him before bleeting "DLC" multiple times

previously in this thread.


However, it just illustrates the mindset of far too many DU'ers.

[RiverLover]

55. It doesn't change that fact that he was DLC in the beginning.

And I'm sorry, but a certain high level official who seriously misrepresented himself, quite convincingly, has made me very skeptical.

But I do like O'Malley on the environment & on education quite a bit. I also think his religious take on helping the poor would be a big plus to help win over some misguided righties.

[wyldwolf]

73. Can't tell where he really stands on education

He bragged in his campaign ads that Charter schools doubled under his watch and signed a proclamation declaring the week of January 30, 2014 National School Choice Week 2014.

http://www.newsline.umd.edu/politics/specialreports/election2010/charter-schools-101510.htm

[elleng]

109. Nothing wrong with choice.

Maryland public schools have an excellent record, among the best in the country.

[wyldwolf]

111. other than 'school choice' is a buzz word for vouchers

YOU may not have a problem with them. Which is cool.

[elleng]

113. Thanks so much.

Actual choice is critical, and again, Maryland public school's record is outstanding. I'm not impressed by 'buzz words.'

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-01-10/news/bs-md-maryland-number-one-20130110_1_maryland-schools-rank-state-high-marks-superintendent-lillian-m-lowery

[wyldwolf]

71. Anyone can have things removed

He took down his DLC speech from his website. If I was trying to appeal to the red meat-eating frothing at the mouth types, I'd remove DLC references, too.

[FSogol]

94. What website? Spewing more unsubstantiated BS?

[wyldwolf]

95. THIS website

"spewing"

Now you see it:

https://web.archive.org/web/20090429203226/http://www.governor.maryland.gov/speeches/070730-DLC.html

Now you don't:

http://www.governor.maryland.gov/speeches/070730-DLC.html

[FSogol]

98. Do you realize that O'Malley is no longer governor? Why would Hogan's

website contain O'Malley's speeches?

[wyldwolf]

100. The speech is there in the archives for all to see - O'Malley LOVES him some DLC!!

[FSogol]

103. HRC gave a speech in Sri Lanka as SOS. Does that make her Sri Lankan?

[wyldwolf]

104. He loves the DLC so much ...

He kept that speech on his OWN website.

[FSogol]

107. Where?

http://martinomalley.com/category/speeches/page/1/

I don't see it.

[wyldwolf]

114. Here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20090429203226/http://www.governor.maryland.gov/speeches/070730-DLC.html

From when he was actually governor and not someone starting a PAC.

[FSogol]

115. That isn't his website. How does he remove something from it? n/t

[wyldwolf]

121. So he WASN'T the governor when that speech was on that website?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

91. Almost anyone on the democratic bench would be an upgrade. And I do like Marty's executive experience.

[elleng]

106. Thanks, FSogol.

Nothing like INFORMATION!!!

[FSogol]

108. NP, info beats misinformation and innuendo any day. n/t

[wyldwolf]

30. Where was he governor again?

[bigtree]

31. my state

Maryland.

[wyldwolf]

39. A deeply blue state until 2014

the DLC's mission was to create policies palatable to red states. There was never a need for DLCers in blue states.

[KittyWampus]

50. You can try that DLC stupidity all you want. He's still left of Clinton.

[wyldwolf]

53. Oooh. Are you stomping your feet and clenching your fists now?

[FSogol]

59. Your flame out will seem really funny when HRC asks O'Malley to be her VP.

[wyldwolf]

62. I completely approve of O'Malley. It's folks like you who are in denial

[FSogol]

67. I'm in denial because I don't like the arbitrary label you are trying to

smear O'Malley with? I breathlessly await your future loyalty oath posts.

[wyldwolf]

68. At least we agree you're in denial

[Thinkingabout]

72. He is rated as a Moderate Liberal, Hillary is rated as a Hard Core Liberal.

Unless left is now right, he is definitely further right than Hillary.

[wyldwolf]

80. I've asked KittyWampus if he/she wants to do a policy by policy discussion of the two...

but so far the invite has been ignored.

[Thinkingabout]

90. I provided the links of Hillary and O'Malley on the issues.

To be honest I do not know a lot about O'Malley. I am looking forward to a primary, just hope it doesn't go stupid as in CPAC, etc. It would bevan excellent time to get our issues on the table and though a primary costs it would provide air time. I think the DNC is in a good position with candidates who are capable for both the presidency and vice president.

[FSogol]

96. Sorry, but his environmental record alone puts him to the left of Clinton. n/t

[wyldwolf]

97. ooh! I can play this game. "Sorry, but her record on women...

... puts her to the left of O'Malley."

[FSogol]

99. Except that Mother Jones magazine agrees with me. In your case,

you are just making stuff up.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

[wyldwolf]

101. Are you saying O'Malley has a stronger record on women than Hillary?

[bigtree]

112. we have blue areas but it's mostly a Democratic state

...not withstanding his association with the DLC, he's governed largely on his progressive principles. It's interesting how your conversation completely ignores the concrete results of his policy enactments during his term in office.

[elleng]

110. MARYLAND.

[FSogol]

18. BS. He was never a member of the DLC. He was promoted as a rising star, but

is the definition of DLC now someone who appeared at the DNC? This is nothing more than tearing down every possible Democratic candidate with innuendo.

[RiverLover]

22. We don't have the right people running yet.

Sherrod Brown

Al Franken

Elizabeth Warren

Kirsten Gillibrand

All the real deal. Would LOVE to see them in the primary. Or Bernie, if he ran as a Democrat.

Still plenty of time for more great Democrats to run!!

[FSogol]

24. If they run, I'll consider them. Right now, O'Malley is the best

candidate running. So for now, he has my support. Unlike many on DU, I see no reason to bash other Democratic candidates or potential Democratic candidates. In the GE, I'll vote straight D.

[zappaman]

52. I love O'Malley!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

28. That's a great list, but you can cross Sherrod Brown and E. Warren off of it, period.

Neither of them is running.

And you can take that to the bank!

[wyldwolf]

36. Al Franken "I'm A DLC Democrat."

[RiverLover]

61. Link from anything other than rumors here?

[wyldwolf]

65. Sure.

#t=5033

Towards the end after the audience question about discourse. He says he is a "DLC Democrat", praises Paul Wellstone but said he disagreed with him a lot. 1:24:24 roughly.

And LOVE that he's endorsed Hillary.

[RiverLover]

66. They're everywhere.

Thanks for posting.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

93. Yup yup. Expect a few of those and more to jump in as Hillary continues her silent, safe a shadow campaign well into the summer.

[wyldwolf]

35. Well, I guess there was never any such thing as 'membership cards.'

To be a member you either was on the DLC staff (which he wasn't) or paid membership dues (which we have no idea if he did.)

To be a NEW Democrat (which is where about 99% of the all 'DLC member' discussions come from) you had to be in the Senate or Congressional New Dem coalitions or subscribe to New Dem ideals.

But anyhoo...

Guess who said this?

"thank you, Al From, for your vision. Thank you for your untiring leadership and persistence and commitment to Democratic values. And thank you, Harold Ford, for stepping up and being our chairman and leading this important organization at an important time."

That would be Governor O'Malley at a DLC event.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090429203226/http://www.governor.maryland.gov/speeches/070730-DLC.html

Interesting the above piece was on live on http://www.governor.maryland.gov/ just last week.

There was this:

But a challenger on the charisma front was Mayor Martin O'Malley. He has attended DLC meetings before, but this time was given a co-starring role by From, who was clearly curious about the city's new mayor.

O'Malley gave a welcoming address that opened the gathering and later chaired a session on using technology in government.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2000-07-15/news/0007150166_1_omalley-townsend-dlc

Then there is this:

Supports Hyde Park Declaration of "Third Way" centrism.

O`Malley adopted the manifesto, "A New Politics for a New America":

http://www.ontheissues.org/governor/Martin_O%60Malley_Principles_+_Values.htm

Good piece here:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2013_05/is_martin_omalley_the_ticket044608.php

Here's O'Malley praising Al From's book 'New Democrats and the Return to Power.'

" This book is not only a fascinating and underreported slice of political history, but a reminder of the core principles that still drive Democratic success today — and why it's important that we constantly work to further to them." — Martin O’Malley, Governor of Maryland

http://us.macmillan.com/thenewdemocratsandthereturntopower/alfrom

Want more?

[wyldwolf]

89. The definition NOW is as it always has been

In reality, to be a DLC member, once must (have been) a staff member of contributor to the DLC. More broadly, a member of the New Democrat Coalition. Still more broadly, any Democrat who confirms himself as 'Third Way,' which O'Malley did.

is the definition of DLC now someone who appeared at the DNC?

He appeared multiple times at the DLC. And confirmed he was third way.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

92. No, just tryin to paint everybody with the broad "Hillary brush" so she'll blend in. So transparent.

[wyldwolf]

29. I don't make stuff up.

[Katashi_itto]

34. See #21...Really?

[wyldwolf]

37. See #35... Really?

[Katashi_itto]

45. See #21...yes. You do.

[wyldwolf]

74. Because he omitted something from that list means everything I listed never happened?

[FSogol]

38. Did you forget to post your proof?

[wyldwolf]

40. No

Post 35.

[FSogol]

42. If you think the nonsense in post 35 is anything more than

normal party politics, you are more naive than I thought. Are you sure that this is the tactic that a HRC supporter should really be taking? Are you missing the irony?

I'll bookmark this for the LOLs later in the campaigns.

[wyldwolf]

43. ok, everything in post #35 is 'normal party politics' LOL.

You're in denial now like Obama's most ardent supporters in 2008 were.

[FSogol]

47. People involved in politics always complient each other, that's

why you end up with photos of HRC with Henry Kissinger, Carter with GHWB, etc, etc. O'Malley addressed many Democratic organizations including the DLC. He, of course was complimentary to his fellow Democrats. That doesn't make him a member of the DLC.

Not sure what your point was about Obama supporters. You seem to want to make the point that there is something negative about Obama supporters. Obama's supporters, ardent or not are Democrats now and in 2008.

[wyldwolf]

51. and speak at each other's events and adopt each other's Third Way Manifestos. OK, politics as usual

[Katashi_itto]

6. So what does Hillary surround herself with?

[wyldwolf]

41. that isn't the point. There is very little daylight between the two.

[Katashi_itto]

46. Lol!

[wyldwolf]

48. LOL! I know, once KOS and the DU purity brigades start digging into his past...

... this conversation will be forgotten.

[Katashi_itto]

54. No, it won't

[wyldwolf]

60. Sure it will. You'll pretend it never happened.

But I'll remind you. Bookmarking now for when the 'progressive' long knives come out for O'Malley.

[Katashi_itto]

63. Cool, coming from something like you it will be a great laugh

[wyldwolf]

70. "Something like you." Yup. The 'progressive' way

If they can't talk facts, attacks.

[Katashi_itto]

75. Yes and you don't deal in facts at all. See #21

"Yup. The 'progressive' way. If they can't talk facts, attacks."

Lol, thanks for outing yourself.

I thought as much.

[wyldwolf]

78. you mean the list that retroactively erases a huge part of his career??

Outing myself? I've been 'outed' on DU for 14 years.

[FSogol]

83. Erases his career? His accomplishments in Maryland are real.

You think that by assigning a label to him, his record of progressive success disappear?

[wyldwolf]

84. I didn't say "erase his career." I said 'erase a huge part' of his career

Which was his DLC/Third Way involvement.

I'll bet the list didn't represent his love of charter schools, either.

[FSogol]

86. You do know everyone can see the complete utter nonsense you post, right?

[wyldwolf]

87. So you're saying O'Malley DIDN'T campaign on Charter Schools? And NONE of the below is true?

To be a 'member' of the DLC, one either had to be on staff at the organization proper, be a contributor (which got you subscription to their magazine) OR be part of the Senate or Congressional New Democratic Coalitions. But as anyone who has remotely kept up with party politics in the last three decades knows, the term 'DLCer' has become synonymous with a person who has adopted third way beliefs.

One usually only had to embrace or adopt the Hyde Park Declaration of "Third Way" centrism, of which Martin O'Malley did.

O`Malley adopted the manifesto, "A New Politics for a New America":

As New Democrats, we believe in a Third Way that rejects the old left-right debate and affirms America’s basic bargain: opportunity for all, responsibility from all, and community of all.
We believe:
that government’s proper role in the New Economy is to equip working Americans with new tools for economic success and security.
in expanding trade and investment because we must be a party of economic progress, not economic reaction.
that fiscal discipline is fundamental to sustained economic growth as well as responsible government.
that a progressive tax system is the only fair way to pay for government.
the Democratic Party’s mission is to expand opportunity, not government.
that education must be America’s great equalizer, and we will not abandon our public schools or tolerate their failure.
that all Americans must have access to health insurance.
in preventing crime and punishing criminals.
in a new social compact that requires and rewards work in exchange for public assistance and that ensures that no family with a full-time worker will live in poverty.
that public policies should reinforce marriage, promote family, demand parental responsibility, and discourage out-of-wedlock births.
in enhancing the role that civic entrepreneurs, voluntary groups, and religious institutions play in tackling America’s social ills.
in strengthening environmental protection by giving communities the flexibility to tackle new challenges that cannot be solved with top-down mandates.
government must combat discrimination on the basis of race, creed, gender, or sexual orientation; defend civil liberties; and stay out of our private lives.
that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.
in progressive internationalism -- the bold exercise of US leadership to foster peace, prosperity, and democracy.
that the US must maintain a strong, technologically superior defense to protect our interests and values.

http://www.ontheissues.org/governor/Martin_O%60Malley_Principles_+_Values.htm

Now, there are countless links online to his involvement with the New Democrat movement. Guess who said this?

"thank you, Al From, for your vision. Thank you for your untiring leadership and persistence and commitment to Democratic values. And thank you, Harold Ford, for stepping up and being our chairman and leading this important organization at an important time."

That would be Governor O'Malley at a DLC event.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090429203226/http://www.governor.maryland.gov/speeches/070730-DLC.html

O'Malley appeared at several of these, where he was given the star treatment from Al From. Here's O'Malley praising Al From's book 'New Democrats and the Return to Power.'

" This book is not only a fascinating and underreported slice of political history, but a reminder of the core principles that still drive Democratic success today — and why it's important that we constantly work to further to them." — Martin O’Malley, Governor of Maryland

But perhaps the MOST interesting thing about O'Malley was his involvement in the NewDeal. No, not FDR's 'New Deal,' but a modern money version.

Looking for the fight over the heart and soul of the Democratic Party in the waning days of the Obama administration? Next Tuesday morning, take the elevator to the eighth floor of a downtown Washington, DC, building and step into the offices of America's Natural Gas Alliance (ANGA), the premier lobbying group for some of the largest fracking companies in the world.

While much of the talk about a progressive revival revolves around populist figures like New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and Senator Elizabeth Warren, there are other, better funded efforts afoot. Corporate titans from finance to natural gas to big retail to telecom are attempting to steer the party, and as the midterms shape up, these interests are pushing to ensure they continue to have wide sway over America's only viable outlet for center-left expression at the polls. Which brings us to the latest venture in corporate-centered party-building and the group hosting a chat in ANGA's headquarters: The NewDEAL.

Created by Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley and Senator Mark Begich of Alaska, the NewDEAL is one of several cash-rich efforts to resurrect the Democratic Party's flailing bench of electable candidates.

This NewDEAL has little in common with President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal platform, which pledged to save capitalism from itself by cracking down on predatory banking institutions and restoring workplace rights for Americans. No, this NewDEAL is a 501(c)(4) issue-advocacy nonprofit, a tax vehicle which allows campaign activity without disclosure of donors, and its name is an acronym for "Developing Exceptional American Leaders."

The group, touted as a platform to "highlight rising pro-business progressives," is led by Democrats who have made a name for themselves by bucking the populist trend. They include NewDeal co-chair Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey, whose zeal for the charterization of public schools and love of Wall Street makes him indistinguishable from many across the aisle. The other co-chair, Governor John Hickenlooper of Colorado, has staked a position in his state's energy wars as a staunch defender of drillers.

VICE has obtained a "supporter list" showing donors of the NewDEAL, which reads like a who's who of corporations seeking government access: Comcast, Fluor, Merck, Microsoft, New York Life, Pfizer, Qualcomm, Verizon, Wal-Mart, the Private Equity Growth Capital Council, among others, including, of course, the host of Tuesday's event, ANGA.

While the disclosure of a secret list of political funders is always a worthwhile revelation, it's also worth noting that the same corporate forces that Democrats are leaning on are propping up the far-right tilt of the Republicans as well. On the local level, meaning state legislative races, there are two competing committees, the RSLC for the GOP and DLCC for Dems. A VICE review of recent campaign filings show that the two committees share many of the same top 25 donors: Wal-Mart, Pfizer, tobacco giant Reynolds America, PhRMA (a drug industry trade group), AT&T, and Comcast cut the biggest checks for both the RSLC and the DLCC.

This incredible symmetry exists for the committees seeking to elect governors of their respective parties this year, as well. The RGA, chaired by Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey, has collected its largest checks from the exact same corporations pumping the most generous donations into the DGA, its Democratic counterpart: WellPoint, the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, Pfizer, Wal-Mart, and Reynolds America.

Back to the NewDEAL, which promises to serve as the latest vanguard for Democratic outreach. The organization is staffed by many of the lobbying world's top Democratic allies, including those who have worked to channel the party's election efforts into backchannel corporate influence. The fundraiser for the NewDEAL, Helen Milby, previously served as the "chief fundraiser" to the New Democrats, a caucus of business-friendly lawmakers whose last period of influence, in 2009 through 2010 when their party controlled Congress, featured a massive campaign to water down health care and financial reform in exchange for corporate donations, as chronicled by an investigation in ProPublica. After many were wiped out by the Republican tidal wave in Obama's first midterm—the president identified himself as a member of this coalition right after he was first elected—most of the New Democrats became lobbyists themselves.

http://www.vice.com/read/the-democratic-party-future-dark-money-fracking

So, how difficult was it to find this info? 5 minutes on Google. Which makes you wonder why all these people desperate for an anti-Hillary aren't doing their due diligence in researching their flavor of the week.

None of this is inherently offensive to me. But I know it is to those looking for an anti-Hillary alternative.

[bigtree]

9. he actually has a record of support as Governor for the issues he's advocating here

...but nice try on the 'DLC' meme.

[wyldwolf]

85. Not a meme. You can't deny history

Oh, wait, you CAN deny history. Happens often here.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. He interests me. I am paying attention...n/t

[closeupready]

11. +1000. I'm willing to give ANYONE a chance.

And there are tons of good Democrats and liberals who want to be president.

[mr_liberal]

5. Triangulation is what will win the election

and make for a successful presidency. Voters want the parties to work together and compromise.

[Fumesucker]

7. I'm reminded of former conservative John Cole's comment about compromise..

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2009/02/05/youll-never-get-this-21-minutes-of-your-life-back/

I really don’t understand how bipartisanship is ever going to work when one of the parties is insane. Imagine trying to negotiate an agreement on dinner plans with your date, and you suggest Italian and she states her preference would be a meal of tire rims and anthrax. If you can figure out a way to split the difference there and find a meal you will both enjoy, you can probably figure out how bipartisanship is going to work the next few years.

[truebrit71]

17. True bipartisanship is all about the ninth - level ninja chess....

... or something....

Great quote though....

[jeff47]

8. Yep, that was our theme in 2010 and 2014. It worked great! (nt)

[closeupready]

10. That's why every single candidate HRC stumped for LOST.

Gotta love that triangulation, huh?

[HereSince1628]

23. Not so sure, people seem doubtful solutions for America exist between the dem right

and the republicans.

That's why people are responding psotiviely to comments by Krugam, Reich, Warren and Sanders.


Triangulation -is- a campaign tactic that's meant to take away opponents positions,

but as a matter of advocating for solutions it always starts with a compromise move toward the opponent.

[stillwaiting]

32. NOTHING liberal will come from bipartisanship. Neo-liberal....definitely!

If voters want both parties to work together, then voters want their economic situation to continue to deteriorate.

Not too smart, and a wake-up call is in order.

[FSogol]

56. Bipartisanship is something you need to say and something you need to

try and do in American politics. There is a certain fairness and civility in working together with the other side. Democrats did this successfully for years. Post Reagan, the rise of the extreme right wing makes this more difficult. Obama probably spent too much time hoping the GOP would do the right thing. They continue to show that they don't care about doing the right thing even when it is an issue they claim to care about (DHS for example).

Any national candidate must make offers to be bipartisan and talk about it, but should be ready to abandon it when necessary to fullfill our party's goals. AAR, we shouldn't chide our side for making the attempt or saying they will try it.

[Scootaloo]

69. Okay. What progressive ideals are you willing to compromise on, and how deeply?

What are you willing to truncate or even abandon, in order to give republicans what htey want?

Please, show us your shopping list of acceptable losses.

[Sheelanagig]

105. That's why Hillary Clinton got the Democratic nomination in 2008, right?

[sendero]

138. Oh you mean...

... voters want Democrats to compromise while Republicans dig in their heels?

No, no they do not. Enough of trying to "compromise" with ideologues and religiously insane fools.

[RiverLover]

13. How nice that he got HIllary's permission to "do what he needs to do"

From the OP~

Mr. O’Malley and Mrs. Clinton have enjoyed a good relationship. When Mr. O’Malley called Mrs. Clinton in 2013 to say he was considering a presidential campaign, she told him that he should do what he felt he had to, according to a person who was familiar with the call but was not authorized to speak about it.

[Agschmid]

14. Hard to tell exactly what you are trying to say here...

[RiverLover]

16. Really?

[Agschmid]

19. Yup...

But I guess now that I'm not on my iPhone I see who you support so never mind.

[Doctor_J]

33. She's going to get pressure from populists and such during the primaries

I'll have to take most of her leftist rhetoric with a pound of salt.

[wyldwolf]

44. Here's some fascinating reading for people looking for an anti-Hillary in O'Malley

To be a 'member' of the DLC, one either had to be on staff at the organization proper, be a contributor (which got you subscription to their magazine) OR be part of the Senate or Congressional New Democratic Coalitions. But as anyone who has remotely kept up with party politics in the last three decades knows, the term 'DLCer' has become synonymous with a person who has adopted third way beliefs.

One usually only had to embrace or adopt the Hyde Park Declaration of "Third Way" centrism, of which Martin O'Malley did.

O`Malley adopted the manifesto, "A New Politics for a New America":

As New Democrats, we believe in a Third Way that rejects the old left-right debate and affirms America’s basic bargain: opportunity for all, responsibility from all, and community of all.
We believe:
that government’s proper role in the New Economy is to equip working Americans with new tools for economic success and security.
in expanding trade and investment because we must be a party of economic progress, not economic reaction.
that fiscal discipline is fundamental to sustained economic growth as well as responsible government.
that a progressive tax system is the only fair way to pay for government.
the Democratic Party’s mission is to expand opportunity, not government.
that education must be America’s great equalizer, and we will not abandon our public schools or tolerate their failure.
that all Americans must have access to health insurance.
in preventing crime and punishing criminals.
in a new social compact that requires and rewards work in exchange for public assistance and that ensures that no family with a full-time worker will live in poverty.
that public policies should reinforce marriage, promote family, demand parental responsibility, and discourage out-of-wedlock births.
in enhancing the role that civic entrepreneurs, voluntary groups, and religious institutions play in tackling America’s social ills.
in strengthening environmental protection by giving communities the flexibility to tackle new challenges that cannot be solved with top-down mandates.
government must combat discrimination on the basis of race, creed, gender, or sexual orientation; defend civil liberties; and stay out of our private lives.
that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.
in progressive internationalism -- the bold exercise of US leadership to foster peace, prosperity, and democracy.
that the US must maintain a strong, technologically superior defense to protect our interests and values.

http://www.ontheissues.org/governor/Martin_O%60Malley_Principles_+_Values.htm

Now, there are countless links online to his involvement with the New Democrat movement. Guess who said this?

"thank you, Al From, for your vision. Thank you for your untiring leadership and persistence and commitment to Democratic values. And thank you, Harold Ford, for stepping up and being our chairman and leading this important organization at an important time."

That would be Governor O'Malley at a DLC event.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090429203226/http://www.governor.maryland.gov/speeches/070730-DLC.html

O'Malley appeared at several of these, where he was given the star treatment from Al From. Here's O'Malley praising Al From's book 'New Democrats and the Return to Power.'

" This book is not only a fascinating and underreported slice of political history, but a reminder of the core principles that still drive Democratic success today — and why it's important that we constantly work to further to them." — Martin O’Malley, Governor of Maryland

But perhaps the MOST interesting thing about O'Malley was his involvement in the NewDeal. No, not FDR's 'New Deal,' but a modern money version.

Looking for the fight over the heart and soul of the Democratic Party in the waning days of the Obama administration? Next Tuesday morning, take the elevator to the eighth floor of a downtown Washington, DC, building and step into the offices of America's Natural Gas Alliance (ANGA), the premier lobbying group for some of the largest fracking companies in the world.

While much of the talk about a progressive revival revolves around populist figures like New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and Senator Elizabeth Warren, there are other, better funded efforts afoot. Corporate titans from finance to natural gas to big retail to telecom are attempting to steer the party, and as the midterms shape up, these interests are pushing to ensure they continue to have wide sway over America's only viable outlet for center-left expression at the polls. Which brings us to the latest venture in corporate-centered party-building and the group hosting a chat in ANGA's headquarters: The NewDEAL.

Created by Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley and Senator Mark Begich of Alaska, the NewDEAL is one of several cash-rich efforts to resurrect the Democratic Party's flailing bench of electable candidates.

This NewDEAL has little in common with President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal platform, which pledged to save capitalism from itself by cracking down on predatory banking institutions and restoring workplace rights for Americans. No, this NewDEAL is a 501(c)(4) issue-advocacy nonprofit, a tax vehicle which allows campaign activity without disclosure of donors, and its name is an acronym for "Developing Exceptional American Leaders."

The group, touted as a platform to "highlight rising pro-business progressives," is led by Democrats who have made a name for themselves by bucking the populist trend. They include NewDeal co-chair Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey, whose zeal for the charterization of public schools and love of Wall Street makes him indistinguishable from many across the aisle. The other co-chair, Governor John Hickenlooper of Colorado, has staked a position in his state's energy wars as a staunch defender of drillers.

VICE has obtained a "supporter list" showing donors of the NewDEAL, which reads like a who's who of corporations seeking government access: Comcast, Fluor, Merck, Microsoft, New York Life, Pfizer, Qualcomm, Verizon, Wal-Mart, the Private Equity Growth Capital Council, among others, including, of course, the host of Tuesday's event, ANGA.

While the disclosure of a secret list of political funders is always a worthwhile revelation, it's also worth noting that the same corporate forces that Democrats are leaning on are propping up the far-right tilt of the Republicans as well. On the local level, meaning state legislative races, there are two competing committees, the RSLC for the GOP and DLCC for Dems. A VICE review of recent campaign filings show that the two committees share many of the same top 25 donors: Wal-Mart, Pfizer, tobacco giant Reynolds America, PhRMA (a drug industry trade group), AT&T, and Comcast cut the biggest checks for both the RSLC and the DLCC.

This incredible symmetry exists for the committees seeking to elect governors of their respective parties this year, as well. The RGA, chaired by Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey, has collected its largest checks from the exact same corporations pumping the most generous donations into the DGA, its Democratic counterpart: WellPoint, the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, Pfizer, Wal-Mart, and Reynolds America.

Back to the NewDEAL, which promises to serve as the latest vanguard for Democratic outreach. The organization is staffed by many of the lobbying world's top Democratic allies, including those who have worked to channel the party's election efforts into backchannel corporate influence. The fundraiser for the NewDEAL, Helen Milby, previously served as the "chief fundraiser" to the New Democrats, a caucus of business-friendly lawmakers whose last period of influence, in 2009 through 2010 when their party controlled Congress, featured a massive campaign to water down health care and financial reform in exchange for corporate donations, as chronicled by an investigation in ProPublica. After many were wiped out by the Republican tidal wave in Obama's first midterm—the president identified himself as a member of this coalition right after he was first elected—most of the New Democrats became lobbyists themselves.

http://www.vice.com/read/the-democratic-party-future-dark-money-fracking

So, how difficult was it to find this info? 5 minutes on Google. Which makes you wonder why all these people desperate for an anti-Hillary aren't doing their due diligence in researching their flavor of the week.

None of this is inherently offensive to me. But I know it is to those looking for an anti-Hillary alternative.

[KittyWampus]

57. NO matter how hard you flog it, it still won't get anywheres. O'Malley is to the left of Hillary

and hopefully will get some traction to save us from the Clinton mistake.

[wyldwolf]

58. No matter now hard you try to stifle this info, it's out there

Want to compare the two issue by issue?

[Thinkingabout]

76. On the issues link O'Malley is a Moderate Liberal.

http://issues2000.org/Martin_O%60Malley.htm




http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

[FSogol]

102. "On the issues" is a libertarian website which attempts to

normalize the libertarian "message". Here's their volunteer staff:

Jeff Rushing, GOP candidates
Alan K. Jansen, Libertarian Party candidates
Dr. Travis Kidd, Constitution Party candidates
Paul Wilson, Natural Law Party candidates
Tony Santini, Green Party candidates

Notice any omission?

[wyldwolf]

120. So when the site says O'Malley "Respects the dignity of individuals & support same-sex marriage..."

... we shouldn't trust it?

[FSogol]

130. I feel sorry for you. n/t

[wyldwolf]

136. You're the one who believes the site can't be trusted. I actually feel sorry for YOU.

[Thinkingabout]

124. This is the information I found, did not find the list of volunteers

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Issues

[FSogol]

129. Just looking at their results graph shows how they overstate

libertarian thought. If libertarian principles are truly 1/5 of the political spectrum, then why are there no nations operating under libertarian dictates? It should be obvious that their methodology is flawed.

[Thinkingabout]

131. I agree their methodology is flawed, they seem to bring in large numbers as in

The Straw poll this week. They have their traveling caravan running to pull numbers. Makes it laughable huh

[bluestateguy]

64. Martin O'Mondale

That's how well he'd do too.

[RiverLover]

77. Says the Hillary camp about any one more progressive than her,

which has to be any other Democrat.

I've also heard a comparison to Dukasis if we dared have an actual Liberal run.

This isn't 1984 or 1988, & we still have a country waiting for the candidate who ignited us in 2008.

[stillwaiting]

81. That's such an important point. It's NOT '72, '84, or '88.

Things are much worse for many working Americans.

If a truly progressive/liberal Democrat simply campaigned on progressive/liberal issues AND implemented a cabinet and used the bully pulpit to build support to implement a progressive/liberal agenda, then they would get elected, re-elected, AND they would reverse the trend we've been on for so long in this country.

There is a clear majority of Americans that support progressive/liberal policies. Speak to them AND fight for them once elected. It's a winning strategy (politically and for average Americans).

[daredtowork]

79. The Triangle Always Moves Right

Thank you O'Malley for making an issue of this.

[leveymg]

82. He needs to clearly state his differences w/Hillary on foreign policy and equity issues.

If he can provide a sharp enough critique, O'Malley has a chance.

[wyldwolf]

88. Let's take a look

He needs to clearly state his differences w/Hillary on foreign policy

On his 8-day trip to Israel, Jordan & the Palestinian territories, O'Malley said, "I'm sure all of you will ask me foreign policy questions. I respect your right to ask them, and I hope you'll respect my right to shy away from answering them."

On the news of the day--apparent differences between Obama and the Israeli military on whether chemical weapons had been deployed by the Syrian military--O'Malley deferred to the president's judgment. "It's certainly one of the great challenges," he allowed.

Asked whether the American people, weary from a decade of wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, would be ready to engage in another military operation to stop Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, O'Malley avoided specifics. "I believe that the president will make that call," he said, "and the president will have the primary responsibility of making that case to the American people and also to Congress."

How about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? "All of us hope for peace in the Middle East."

In other words, he's a light weight.

and equity issues.

Looking for the fight over the heart and soul of the Democratic Party in the waning days of the Obama administration? Next Tuesday morning, take the elevator to the eighth floor of a downtown Washington, DC, building and step into the offices of America's Natural Gas Alliance (ANGA), the premier lobbying group for some of the largest fracking companies in the world.

While much of the talk about a progressive revival revolves around populist figures like New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and Senator Elizabeth Warren, there are other, better funded efforts afoot. Corporate titans from finance to natural gas to big retail to telecom are attempting to steer the party, and as the midterms shape up, these interests are pushing to ensure they continue to have wide sway over America's only viable outlet for center-left expression at the polls. Which brings us to the latest venture in corporate-centered party-building and the group hosting a chat in ANGA's headquarters: The NewDEAL.

Created by Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley and Senator Mark Begich of Alaska, the NewDEAL is one of several cash-rich efforts to resurrect the Democratic Party's flailing bench of electable candidates.

This NewDEAL has little in common with President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal platform, which pledged to save capitalism from itself by cracking down on predatory banking institutions and restoring workplace rights for Americans. No, this NewDEAL is a 501(c)(4) issue-advocacy nonprofit, a tax vehicle which allows campaign activity without disclosure of donors, and its name is an acronym for "Developing Exceptional American Leaders."

The group, touted as a platform to "highlight rising pro-business progressives," is led by Democrats who have made a name for themselves by bucking the populist trend. They include NewDeal co-chair Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey, whose zeal for the charterization of public schools and love of Wall Street makes him indistinguishable from many across the aisle. The other co-chair, Governor John Hickenlooper of Colorado, has staked a position in his state's energy wars as a staunch defender of drillers.

VICE has obtained a "supporter list" showing donors of the NewDEAL, which reads like a who's who of corporations seeking government access: Comcast, Fluor, Merck, Microsoft, New York Life, Pfizer, Qualcomm, Verizon, Wal-Mart, the Private Equity Growth Capital Council, among others, including, of course, the host of Tuesday's event, ANGA.

While the disclosure of a secret list of political funders is always a worthwhile revelation, it's also worth noting that the same corporate forces that Democrats are leaning on are propping up the far-right tilt of the Republicans as well. On the local level, meaning state legislative races, there are two competing committees, the RSLC for the GOP and DLCC for Dems. A VICE review of recent campaign filings show that the two committees share many of the same top 25 donors: Wal-Mart, Pfizer, tobacco giant Reynolds America, PhRMA (a drug industry trade group), AT&T, and Comcast cut the biggest checks for both the RSLC and the DLCC.

This incredible symmetry exists for the committees seeking to elect governors of their respective parties this year, as well. The RGA, chaired by Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey, has collected its largest checks from the exact same corporations pumping the most generous donations into the DGA, its Democratic counterpart: WellPoint, the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, Pfizer, Wal-Mart, and Reynolds America.

Back to the NewDEAL, which promises to serve as the latest vanguard for Democratic outreach. The organization is staffed by many of the lobbying world's top Democratic allies, including those who have worked to channel the party's election efforts into backchannel corporate influence. The fundraiser for the NewDEAL, Helen Milby, previously served as the "chief fundraiser" to the New Democrats, a caucus of business-friendly lawmakers whose last period of influence, in 2009 through 2010 when their party controlled Congress, featured a massive campaign to water down health care and financial reform in exchange for corporate donations, as chronicled by an investigation in ProPublica. After many were wiped out by the Republican tidal wave in Obama's first midterm—the president identified himself as a member of this coalition right after he was first elected—most of the New Democrats became lobbyists themselves.

http://www.vice.com/read/the-democratic-party-future-dark-money-fracking

[RiverLover]

116. I wish you didn't approve of these Third Way things you post about O'Malley.

Or enjoy rubbing our noses in how the Democrats have been hijacked.

But that vice article does prove, as if we needed proof, that business interests benefit from being in both parties & controlling the govt no matter who wins elections.

You aren't helping Hillary's case here.

Thanks for the link.

[wyldwolf]

118. It's exposing hypocrisy

The people on this thread DENYING these things despite the links are hysterical.

You aren't helping Hillary's case here.

Not trying to.

[bigtree]

117. It's interesting how vigoursly you're arguing on this thread against things which your candidate wou

...against things which your candidate, Hillary Clinton would almost certainly support.

Talk about 'triangulation', this is pretzel politics.

[wyldwolf]

119. I argue facts - and it's amazing how many people on this thread are denying them

Why aren't they discussing the facts, rationalizing them, explaining why O'Malley maybe HAD to do these things? No, they're DENYING them. Why? Because they KNOW that to accept them, it puts a potential Hillary rival in a very bad light.

[bigtree]

122. strange kind of advocacy

...almost self-loathing.

You're actually arguing in favor of labels over substance on this thread. When we get to policy specifics, I suspect we'll find plenty of issues where folks like me will differ with Martin O'Malley and other candidates. One thing, though, he practiced many of the progressive ideals he preaches. I expect he'll also get devoured here (correctly) for whatever centrism he adheres to.

[wyldwolf]

123. a strange reply

... completely absurd.

You're actually arguing in favor of labels over substance on this thread.

No I'm not. I've linked multiple times to O'Malley's 'substance.'

[bigtree]

125. DLC! DLC! DLC! DLC! DLC!

...DLC!

lol.

[wyldwolf]

126. Just speaking the language DU 'progressives' understand.

https://www.google.com/search?q=DLC&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&gws_rd=ssl
https://www.google.com/search?q=third+way&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&gws_rd=ssl

I could be saying 'moderates' or 'centrists' but many on DU deny those things exist.

[Vattel]

132. I am guessig you didn't live in Baltimore when O'Malley was mayor.

Like you I live in Maryland. O'Malley's disrespect for the fourth amendment in Baltimore is well-known to locals.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/mayor-vows-not-to-return-to-days-of-mass-arrests-in-baltimore/22118078#ixzz36Z01TpyR

[leveymg]

133. Very hardcore. Didn't expect that of you.

Thanks for the preemptive poop on O'M. You should see
what they have on HRC. It's going to be so messy nobody will want to vote.

[wyldwolf]

135. "You should see what they have on HRC."

You've seen something I haven't? You've seen something the whole world hasn't over and over and over again? Don't hold out on me now.

[leveymg]

139. You know I have.

But, I'm not giving the whole thing away. PM me if you're really interested.

[wyldwolf]

140. Actually I don't know that you have.

Why would I?

[4139]

127. Hillary's position stands on issues are lost in the Burmuda Triangle

[JonLP24]

128. He's running to the left of Hillary Clinton

doesn't mean he isn't very similar, a career minded politician -- always with the higher office in mind. I just don't see much of a difference as far as poll numbers & the status quo.

I'd likely vote for Hillary Clinton out-of-the-two but if it came down to it at-the-time, I'll weigh my options.