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and I agree...Great minds think alike.
Ouch: Kim Kardashian took a pop at singer-songwriter Beck after he won the Album of the Year prize by pulling a shocked face alongside Chrissy Teigen and John Legend
Seriously, what a bunch of assholes.
One bright spot from the evening... THIS DRESS:
He has turned into an egotistical asshat. I have his "Late Registration" album, and I think it's good. Once he started calling himself a genius....
Since he wants respect for creativity, why the hell isn't he respecting Beck's?
Off topic -- Kim's dress was the tackiest thing I have seen in a while.
That would have almost been better than what she had on. 
It's either a wrestler robe or maybe she broke into the Liberace Museum. Unlike Kim, Liberace would have looked good in that.
It's a tacky robe.
Yeah.
If only he had stopped there --
Whereas Kanye is pretty beefy. And his moobs almost put his wife's to shame.
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You'd think Kanye might have been a little more "protective" of a young artist, not hijack her moment the way he did. He took his frustrations out on an easy target -- a young white woman. What a guy.
and Beck looks stunned.
Both the intended and the unintended ones.
Don't be coy.
there are more?! Oh please, please, please... 
The devil makes him do it...
rocktivity
Talk about malfunctions Kim and Kanye are a real couple of malfunctions. A President said something about Kanye that was rather funny.
Poor thang.
Beck's album is great.
Binky Deptula 1914 .
Ya know, by taking a shit on a relatively independent and often overlooked artist who, unlike Kanye and his crew, has the gall to write his own fucking music.
But really, when's Beyonce going to get her goddamned due?
Kudos to you for listening.
oddest stories.
Personally I think what he did was inappropriate and he could have and did (later that night) express those sentiments in a way that didnt detract from the person who received the award, but to go from that to Kanye is a carnival barker 
Well, let me just say your observation is correct.
You got that right.
Taylor Swift's product so much more a product of her bourgeois background that they can't relate to..
Then all these white people act like they're not conditioned to like her studio-produced music over his.
Edit: Sorry, I meant to respond to Codeine. Please forgive the error. 
be FUCKING HONEST here
This aint got nothing to do with music...
If it did, people would acknowledge the value those two have in the music world as well as the AfAm community regardless of whether or not you like their music.
in one, and all them Black rappers and, well you know, in another.
Against my better judgement, I now know who Kanye, Beyonce and Beck are.
I really need to listen to my judgement more often... 
You're mentioning Etta James and Beyonce in the same sentence??
That was fifteen posts into the thread. Now it's worse. DU can't see the Grammy issue because many can't/won't get past the behavior and style of protest by an artist who fights differently from them. Whose music is not their music. Whose background is different from theirs. Who challenges white arts hierarchies and the politics of artistic recognition, mystified as that is to the rest of us.
And yet, Kanye is a Democrat. Can a brother get a break? Hell, no.
Though some vehemently deny it. Oh well. At least we're part of the millions who love Kanye's music and his style of protesting against 'music industry hierarchies & the politics of artistic recognition' (quoting your eloquent term). And of gaining publicity & discussion toward a music world very much in need of stimulation & sales.
Of course, Mohammed Ali, Malcolm X, Angela Davis, Prince, dance music, disco, hip-hop to name but a few were also despised by many in this same kind of manner. Yet are all now widely accepted by the NPR type crowd. I imagine they'd have also hated Picasso and Mozart in their day - just two examples of brilliant artists who certainly rubbed many 'purveyors of the correct style in which to speak and be subservient' (my phrase, lol) the wrong way.
I expect some in that crowd will eventually like his music and perhaps understand what he's doing a bit better over time. Some won't and it's their loss not ours. Personally though I don't really care much about that. I've enjoyed his music for years and appreciated his radical outspokenness as well. I'm enjoying the heck out of it right now.
Funny thing, Kanye has helped sell a lot more music for Beck, Beyonce and of course himself in the last day. Without sacrificing his outspoken beliefs one iota. That's pretty cool. I listened to all three artists today on my little iPod shuffle. I like them all. I wouldn't have bought the new Beck album if it hadn't been for all the comments. It's really good, lots of mellow folk-type sounds, some lush string arrangements, good songwriting, a very different direction from his earlier music.
From music we come. To music we shall return.
The fecal matter from the rectum of that white male singer is more important than the life's work of that black woman? Shame you feel like his crap is more important than her life's work. I bet you get mad and see nothing wrong with what you said at all.
For pointing out the obvious, but you know a black man speaking out is a "loud mouthed angry asshole".
That way when someone acts out we can give them one.
as my feminist mentor described it.
This post suggests that you might know something about project.
This doesn't seem to be going anywhere, as we've never had a discussion before (I think) what do you say we hit the reset button. Hi kwassa!
Probably so, probably so.
I read about that speech on Saturday and it was a spew on the monitor moment. Seventy-three and he's still riling up the status quo. Mindless music was never his cupa tea.
third man to marry Kim Kardashian. 
My Man!
You are asking this about the man who sings No Church In The Wild! Great song but he proves he has not one f*ck to give about anything when he sings it. Even President Obama called him a jack ass! I'm just cracking up at all the people who just realized this. I believe he's very talented. He's gifted no doubt in my mind. I love Lupe & Kid Cudi.
I like The Chili Peppers, Incubus, & Zeppelin.
I like all music.
So if we're talking about Kanye as an artist to I would disagree with anyone that says he doesn't have talent.
The problem with the Grammys and how they are or aren't decided is a whole 'nother conversation--which is why we're talking about Kanye. 
Thanks for this - didn't realize it was allowed at DU. Now I know!
It's cool. I bet he knows I can fucking read by now. Never been called illiterate in my life. First time, right here on DU, and it's perfectly fine with the jury.
To those jurors: hey y'all! I can fucking read just fine, thanks. Be nice if you could hide that kinda stuff. Stereotyping black people as stupid and illiterate and as lower than shit, but, hey, nothing to see here. Don't bother feeling bad just because I do. Sad there are four jurors that think I'm illiterate or think that calling me that is not an insult or peronal attack.
Is locked out of the thread now . . . got a hide a bit up.
He wanted to teach Kanye a lesson with his fists.
audience. And the only people that took offense were the news outlets....
Over the weekend, Kanye West made headlines for reportedly “shaming” wheelchair-bound attendees of his concerts into standing. While subsequent video suggested Kanye was simply joking, the rapper still made a point to address the incident and, more specifically, the media’s portrayal of it, during his show in Brisbane, Australia on Monday.
“Welcome to today’s news, ladies and gentlemen,” Kanye sarcastically proclaimed to the audience. “We got Americans getting killed on TV, we have kids getting killed every week in Chicago, we have unarmed people being killed by police officers, and we have Kanye West with an ice cream cone,” he said, referencing the now-infamous viral photo.
*snip*
When in reality, Kanye continued, “I’m a married Christian man with a family — at my concerts, I make sure everybody has as a good of time as possible.”
Kanye also poked fun at the idea of people being offended by him and his music. “That’s my brand: I curse and I say really offensive things,” he said. “This is rap fucking music. This is real music. This is real expression. This is real artistry. An artist’s career doesn’t happen in a cycle of one week of news. An artist career happens in a lifetime — and if you’re a true artist, you’re willing to die for what you believe in.”
Kanye concluded his comments by saying, “Pick a new target, because I’m not one of those dumb ass artists you’re use to.”
http://consequenceofsound.net/2014/09/kanye-west-addresses-wheelchair-gate-blasts-media-for-sensationalizing-story/
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I'm thinking maybe it was blown out of proportion.
If he had to compete 20 years ago against the likes of Tupac, Biggie, Dre, Snoop, Wu Tang, etc. all in their primes, he wouldn't be nearly as successful. I don't think he would have beat Eminem in his prime either.
He happened to come along when a brilliant generation of rappers either died or lost heir creative juices due to age/drug abuse, and the generation that followed was extremely poor. Eminem's dominance during his creative era is similarly explained.
I have enjoyed his music but to call him a genius is laughable. This is the guy who tried to "reclaim" the Confederate flag by wearing it publicly.
He's a guy with no shame and he can't control his impulses, so he often ends up embarrassing himself when his stunts backfire.
I haven't been impressed with West's OR Beyonce's, for that matter. If Beyonce had won, though, I wouldn't be ranting about slighting better musicians. It's not like I thought Grammys were awarded for actual talent.
