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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMcCain: 'Vladimir Putin Wants To Dominate Ukraine, US Must Supply Arms To Kiev'
Munich: As debate continues over whether Ukraine should be supplied with arms to shore up its staggering defenses in fight against the pro-Russian rebels, US Senator John McCain has claimed that Russian President Vladimir Putin intends to dominate Ukraine.
Discrediting Russia's apparent participation in resolving Ukraine crisis, McCain added that Putin may just make tactical compromises here or there, but just as a prelude to further aggression.
Speaking at the Munich Security Conference, McCain reasoned that Kiev should be supplied with defensive arms because it will increase the military cost to Russian forces and make it tough for Putin to continue the war.
The right question is: If we help Ukrainians increase the military cost to the Russian forces that have invaded their country, how long can Putin sustain a war that he tells his people is not happening? That is why we must provide defensive arms to Ukraine, he added.
Making a strong case in favour of arming Kiev, McCain slammed the collective failure to deter Russian aggression in Ukraine and accused Putin of intending to dominate Ukraine.
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lpbk2713
(42,764 posts)According to them, armed conflict is good business.
moondust
(20,002 posts)We really need cooler heads to prevail on this.
Brother Buzz
(36,451 posts)underpants
(182,861 posts)Oh you WANT me to go down in that coolie but you want me to THINK you don't .....
gordianot
(15,242 posts)They also have a military industrial complex capable of matching insurgent wars all the way up to mutual assured destruction. Bad choice; something that McCain does have a lifetime talent for choosing.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)can and should be repeated.
His strategy seems to be based on creating a sequel to every westerner's favorite cold war episode...wherein the historic villain of the Soviet Union collapses under the economic and political burden of fighting an unpopular, seemingly unwinnable, war in Afghanistan.
That approach doesn't seem to seriously consider the possibility of an escalation of the proxy war in Ukraine into direct confrontation between nuclear powers.
It simply expects the worn down old bear to get tired and hobble away.
gordianot
(15,242 posts)A reason for being. In the final equation a really big war is to be avoided it is bad for business. At least the Russian American conflict does not involve too much of the religiously insane (mostly on American side) where in the Middle East the religiously insane flirt with annihilation.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)You get to place the borrowing nation in a state of indentured servitude.
Ukraine really can't be held together. It's population has a stronger ethnic and economic divide than Dixie vs the Rustbelt in the 1970s.
Russia wants the east (and probably the coast as far west as Odessa) within it's economic and strategic zone of control.
The US is really looking for people from whom debt payments can be sucked. Indebted nations must yield to their masters...
The truly sad outcome is that all parts of Ukraine will be economically curbed to the will of foreign controllers.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I found some on another thread. They will probably follow us here.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)...
OverseaVisitor
(296 posts)You cannot denied that after the coup the interim government declare under the banner of one nation one language to ban the use of Russian Language. Why do that?
Why do you think they need a 4th wave of mobilization?
Why do you think there are protest over this?
Why do you think Ukrainians are saying it is not their war?
Why do you think they pass a law in their Parliament recently that allows their commander to shoot their own troops if they disobey order?
Why do you think they also pass a law to strip Parliamentary immunity?
Why do you think the separatist are winning?
Why initially did the Ukraine Army defected to the separatist side with their equipment?
Ok ok all this did not happens. All the above did not happen it is all a lie.
Because it is true you have one side fighting not for pay but freedom. On the other side they are fighting ..... the new meme to defend territory integrity.
I do not know the solution here is. Putin is not backing away from this challenge. He send in troops to Crimea. He also started all the long range air patrol. This very high stake poker. This is not Iraq.
This is right on the doorstep of Russia.
And who shot down MH17. Right after the incident 24/7 Russian done it. Now please after so long show the proof. Show the truth
treestar
(82,383 posts)Thank dog he never won the WH.
gordianot
(15,242 posts)As it turned out McCain had a target Obama which allowed him to vent his aggression prolonging his life. The ignorant vile successor he chose never got a chance to get near the Oval Office. Thank dog!
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)underpants
(182,861 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)KG
(28,752 posts)Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)It's okay not to get involved in armed conflict all over the world no one's gonna think less of us in fact it may cause people to think higher of us
pampango
(24,692 posts)In short, the United States cannot win an arms race with Russia over Ukraine and thereby ensure Russias defeat on the battlefield. Proponents of arming Ukraine have a second line of argument. The key to success, they maintain, is not to defeat Russia militarily, but to raise the costs of fighting to the point where Mr. Putin will cave.What advocates of arming Ukraine fail to understand is that Russian leaders believe their countrys core strategic interests are at stake in Ukraine; they are unlikely to give ground, even if it means absorbing huge costs.
To save Ukraine and eventually restore a working relationship with Moscow, the West should seek to make Ukraine a neutral buffer state between Russia and NATO. It should look like Austria during the Cold War. Toward that end, the West should explicitly take European Union and NATO expansion off the table, and emphasize that its goal is a nonaligned Ukraine that does not threaten Russia. The United States and its allies should also work with Mr. Putin to rescue Ukraines economy, a goal that is clearly in everyones interest.
It is essential that Russia help end the fighting in eastern Ukraine and that Kiev regain control over that region. Still, the provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk should be given substantial autonomy, and protection for Russian language rights should be a top priority.
Crimea, a casualty of the Wests attempt to march NATO and the European Union up to Russias doorstep, is surely lost for good. It is time to end that imprudent policy before more damage is done to Ukraine and to relations between Russia and the West.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/09/opinion/dont-arm-ukraine.html
gordianot
(15,242 posts)For NATO the premier post war experience, WWII and the cold war are hard to forget.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Or, in McCain's case, the first solution to every problem.
Ramses
(721 posts)here too. Ive seen lots of posters itching to go to war with Russia right here in threads. Sick shit