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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 07:58 PM Feb 2015

Did the U.S. Learn Any Lessons From Vietnam?

Did the U.S. Learn Any Lessons From Vietnam?
by
Robert Freeman*
2/1/2015

...The military certainly learned to control the media presentation of its wars, hence the journalistically humiliating “embedded reporters” who only report idolizing stories of American soldiers’ battlefield valor. The result is a suitably ignorant, confused and, therefore, pacified public that can only burble crypto-patriotic vapidities about American prowess and honor in its now unending wars.

The same media, now concentrated in corporate hands, has learned how to easily engineer consent for the endless wars that the empire demands. Witness, for example, the lies about Weapons of Mass Destruction that were used to justify the U.S. invasion of Iraq, not unlike the Gulf of Tonkin lie that formed the go-ahead for U.S. escalation in Vietnam. Witness, too, the lies about Bashar al-Assad gassing his own people in Syria, and of Putin being the aggressor in Ukraine—all deceitful public rationales for recent U.S. aggressions.

...But it is the lessons the U.S. did not learn and the behavior it did not change from Vietnam that make its loss there the tragedy that it really is.

The U.S. did not learn the limits of imperial power. Vietnam cost the U.S. $450 billion. It inflicted grave damage on the U.S. economy and even greater damage on the U.S. reputation as a “beacon of democracy” in the world. Iraq alone will end up costing the U.S. some $6 trillion according to Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz. That’s twice the amount needed to make Social Security solvent forever. The cost to the U.S.’s prestige in the world is still being tallied.

The U.S. certainly didn’t learn how to live at peace with other nations. Indeed, without the threat of the Soviet Union to constrain its aggression, the U.S. seems to have become a serial invader and destroyer of other nations, especially Muslim ones. Think Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Ethiopia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and more, where the U.S. has killed millions of Muslims, mainly civilians.

Perhaps the greatest irony is that the U.S. has become the very agent of falling dominoes that it once so ominously invoked in justifying its aggression in Vietnam. The “domino theory” was a brilliant (because simplistic) device for evoking a cascading series of communist takeovers, from Laos and Cambodia on through Thailand, Burma, and all the way to India. The CIA repudiated the theory internally in 1961, four years before the U.S. escalation, but the public never got the memo.

Today, it is the U.S. that is tipping over dominoes around the world and there’s no end in sight. Its illegal invasion of Iraq ignited the Sunni-Shi’ite civil war that has metastasized into ISIS and that threatens U.S. allies throughout the Middle East. Its destruction of government and all forms of order in Libya has loosed mayhem throughout North Africa, echoing now as Boko Haram in Nigeria. Its backing of the February 2014 coup in Ukraine threatens to unleash civil war in Europe with an outcome that, at its worst, portends World War III....

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/02/01/did-us-learn-any-lessons-vietnam


*Robert Freeman is the author of The Best One-Hour History series which includes World War I, The Vietnam War, The Cold War, and other titles.
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Did the U.S. Learn Any Lessons From Vietnam? (Original Post) RiverLover Feb 2015 OP
Lesson: Bring the phony raison d'etre home and pay off the surviving families, never mind soldiers' WinkyDink Feb 2015 #1
Apparenly not 2naSalit Feb 2015 #2
Catapult and control the propaganda more thoroughly. hifiguy Feb 2015 #3
None that I can see. (nt) Paladin Feb 2015 #4
2 big lessons learned: Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #5
Sounds like Communism. RiverLover Feb 2015 #7
I thought we went to fight dominoes. n/t GP6971 Feb 2015 #9
Thanks for reading the article! RiverLover Feb 2015 #10
Thanks......a good read and well worth it. n/t GP6971 Feb 2015 #12
Absolutely we did! al_liberal Feb 2015 #6
The big guys have learned they can make more money with war than by Nay Feb 2015 #8
Hide media of the dead soldiers in coffins returning Beringia Feb 2015 #11
It learned that the draft was a bad idea. delrem Feb 2015 #13
Don't go to war in Vietnam. knitter4democracy Feb 2015 #14
The Right is still saying that the lesson... Bigmack Feb 2015 #15
We learned some wild torture techniques... Panich52 Feb 2015 #16
Oy RiverLover Feb 2015 #17
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
1. Lesson: Bring the phony raison d'etre home and pay off the surviving families, never mind soldiers'
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 08:02 PM
Feb 2015

families.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
5. 2 big lessons learned:
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 08:19 PM
Feb 2015

1. Control the media.
2. Be prepared to suppress any and all dissent with whatever force is required.

al_liberal

(420 posts)
6. Absolutely we did!
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 08:31 PM
Feb 2015

Don't ever again let the media report the truth from a war zone.

Remember the press pools from Iraq 1? Or media banned from showing caskets at Dover?

We've learned what Gobbels taught us, control of the media is everything.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
15. The Right is still saying that the lesson...
Sun Feb 1, 2015, 09:15 PM
Feb 2015

... we should have learned is:
"Don't go to war unless you go to win. The politicians lost the war..."

Translated: Apparently 58,000 dead American troops and a couple of million Vietnamese wasn't enough... a half a $Trillion wasn't enough...we should have spent more. Blood and Treasure.

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