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Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 02:34 PM Jan 2015

John Boehner Destroyed By Forbes In Scathing Smack Down – A Legacy Of Disgrace

http://samuel-warde.com/2015/01/john-boehner-destroyed/

John Boehner Destroyed By Forbes In Scathing Smack Down – A Legacy Of Disgrace

The noted conservative website Forbes.com published a scathing indictment of Speaker John Boehner in the wake of the growing scandal surrounding his invitation to Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu to speak before Congress.

The article, entitled Bibi Netanyahu — aka ‘The Republican Senator From Israel’ — May Have Made A Fatal Political Mistake offers an in-depth analysis of fallout in Israel over the controversy, predicting the Netanyahu may very well lose his long-standing control of Israel as a result of the fallout from his diplomatic FUBAR.


The article begins by accusing Speaker Boehner of attempting “to create two conflicting foreign policies for the United States—one pursued by the President and the other pursued by the Congress.”

After explaining concerns for Netanyahu at home and the possibility that “Netanyahu’s desire to interfere with American policy while seeking to bolster his re-election campaign, may turn out to be the very political screw-up that will allow the joint ticket forged by the Labor-Hatnuah political parties to bring an end to Netanyahu’s long reign atop the Israeli government,” the article goes on to consider Boehner’s actions.
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John Boehner Destroyed By Forbes In Scathing Smack Down – A Legacy Of Disgrace (Original Post) Voice for Peace Jan 2015 OP
It's nice to think that someone as entrenched as Netanyahu can be defeated in Israel. world wide wally Jan 2015 #1
he will have a stroke one of these days. Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #9
caused by whom, or what, I wonder. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2015 #30
caused by alcohol, I think. Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #34
Got it. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2015 #36
I've Been Wondering About Possible Israeli Back-Lash Stallion Jan 2015 #2
It would be wonderful to see both of these brass-plated assholes hifiguy Jan 2015 #3
brass-plated assholes BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2015 #4
boner better be careful of that brass-plated assholes thing. calimary Jan 2015 #5
His skin tone has almost ruined oranges for me. kairos12 Jan 2015 #6
LoL! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2015 #7
This is all due to the complete lack of respect the GOP has shown this President CanonRay Jan 2015 #8
Agreed. qucumbbruce Jan 2015 #10
Welcome to DU CanonRay Jan 2015 #12
It's just too much fun watching President Obama lately Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #11
How come "the most busted name in news" is clueless about this growing scandal? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #13
well there was this.... Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #14
No offence, please refrain from posting any video from Fox in any response. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #15
I think that's an unreasonable request. Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #16
YOU specifically asked why leftynyc Jan 2015 #22
Things that make you go "hmmmmm". And...what? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #23
Asked for proof leftynyc Jan 2015 #24
When did Fox buy CNN? Link? One video is......."proof"? Link? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #25
Left has a few issues today. Just ignore for a bit ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2015 #38
Excuse me leftynyc Jan 2015 #44
LOL ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2015 #49
A treasonous asshole Madmiddle Jan 2015 #17
Stop with the bullshit leftynyc Jan 2015 #21
Not quite. They CLAIM to be an ally. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2015 #31
And as I pointed out leftynyc Jan 2015 #33
Wow. I am IMPRESSED! You know everyone in government! ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2015 #35
Do feel free to point leftynyc Jan 2015 #37
Just go away. You are being foolish ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2015 #39
Because I'm recognizing reality leftynyc Jan 2015 #41
Just when do allies, come to the PEOPLES HOUSE DearAbby Jan 2015 #46
Are you saying leftynyc Jan 2015 #47
There's Something Even More Telling in This Article Bette R. Daize Jan 2015 #18
This is Not a "Forbes OP Ed" but from a Self Identified "Left" Pundit - Great Indictment Though Indykatie Jan 2015 #19
Here is the Forbes article Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #28
As Indykatie pointed out... that't not a Forbes piece FBaggins Jan 2015 #48
I hope this buries Bibi in the elections leftynyc Jan 2015 #20
100th Rec, thank you very much Hekate Jan 2015 #26
Hilarious underpants Jan 2015 #27
kick cwydro Jan 2015 #29
To Boehner: My late card-playing grandmother used to tell us when we were behind in a game kelliekat44 Jan 2015 #32
My prediction is that Netanyahu will not address Congress. MineralMan Jan 2015 #40
I agree leftynyc Jan 2015 #42
Also, there will be plenty of State Department pressure MineralMan Jan 2015 #43
I honestly don't think the State leftynyc Jan 2015 #45

world wide wally

(21,755 posts)
1. It's nice to think that someone as entrenched as Netanyahu can be defeated in Israel.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 03:41 PM
Jan 2015

Now if we could only get rid of Boehner

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
30. caused by whom, or what, I wonder.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:02 PM
Jan 2015

Even the Mossad, despite their "supposed" backtracking, has to be viewing this NitWitYahoo as a danger to the security of Israel.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
34. caused by alcohol, I think.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jan 2015

edit I'm referring to beaner having a stroke.
net'nyahoo appears healthier.
But you can read Boehner's health in his face.

calimary

(81,519 posts)
5. boner better be careful of that brass-plated assholes thing.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:41 PM
Jan 2015

His skin is already compromised in its orange-ness. Wonder if he knows brass can turn your skin green?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
7. LoL!
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jan 2015

The Orange Drunk. god, how I want his corruption revealed for all to see. Then wipe the floor with him.

CanonRay

(14,119 posts)
8. This is all due to the complete lack of respect the GOP has shown this President
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jan 2015

throughout his administration, from day 1. They have tried everything to de-legitimize him, leading to this fiasco.

qucumbbruce

(5 posts)
10. Agreed.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:17 PM
Jan 2015

Yes. That was their mission and, by God, how well they have stuck to it! They are dismantling their own ship, in heavy seas, and they're goin' down!

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
11. It's just too much fun watching President Obama lately
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jan 2015

and I'm looking forward to his after-office years.

Think he'll retire and take up painting?
Sell out to Wall Street and become a rich guy who gives speeches?
Keep on with OFA and similar efforts, inspire community activism
in the communities? https://www.barackobama.com/

My bet is on the latter. I don't think this was just for his
years in office. I think he may be a huge force after leaving
office.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
13. How come "the most busted name in news" is clueless about this growing scandal?
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:33 PM
Jan 2015

The Israeli media is all over the story even as the media in America seems to have been stunned into silence.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
22. YOU specifically asked why
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jan 2015

"the most trusted name in news" isn't reporting the story and then you whine when proof is given they are? Maybe you should make up your mind.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
24. Asked for proof
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 11:56 AM
Jan 2015

Got the proof you asked for and then whine about it? Is it really so hard to just admit you fucked up?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
44. Excuse me
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:19 PM
Jan 2015

But I schooled both of you quite nicely. One demands evidence and when it's shown asks for it not to be shown (anyone who can decipher that is welcome to explain) and you were asked a simple question and can't answer it and attack me instead. And you think I'm the one who needs a time out? Whatev.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
21. Stop with the bullshit
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 11:46 AM
Jan 2015

Treason has a very specific definition - giving aid and comfort to an enemy - as much as you may find it distasteful, Israel happens to be an ally so throwing around words like treason is foolish.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
33. And as I pointed out
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jan 2015

Your feelings about this are completely irrelevant. Nobody in our government agrees with you.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
35. Wow. I am IMPRESSED! You know everyone in government!
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jan 2015

I want to be like you when I grow up.

NOT.

What an asinine claim.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
37. Do feel free to point
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:01 PM
Jan 2015

to any comment, column or anything else that any elected official (let's stick with the feds as they are the ones who deal with foreign policy matters - a nobody mayor from bumfuck iowa is also completely irrelevant) that disproves what I said. I'll wait.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
39. Just go away. You are being foolish
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:02 PM
Jan 2015

and making impossible claims, then striking out without cause.

It seems as though you need a rest, away from the intertubes. Take it.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
41. Because I'm recognizing reality
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:15 PM
Jan 2015

That there isn't one elected official that will tell Israel to go screw in public and wont hide behind "anonymous sources"? That makes me foolish? You seem to think these brave souls exist - I merely want to know where they are and what are their names. If that makes me foolish - I'll wear that badge with honor.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
46. Just when do allies, come to the PEOPLES HOUSE
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:21 PM
Jan 2015

to trash talk the President of the Unites States? Did Bibi cough up enough cash to pay the Speaker of the House, checks in the mail Mr Speaker. it's citizen's united going global.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
47. Are you saying
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jan 2015

that bibi represents the WHOLE of Israel? Is that how you felt when we went to Iraq? That every single American was responsible?

 

Bette R. Daize

(43 posts)
18. There's Something Even More Telling in This Article
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jan 2015

In the full Ungar article that I read a couple of days ago on Forbes.com, I thought the most interesting points were the following:

“…the plan to have the Israeli Prime Minister speak to Congress, without first discussing with the White House, was the brainchild of Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Ron Dermer who has, for weeks now, been endorsing the re-election of Bibi Netanyahu on American television programs despite explicit Israeli Civil Service regulations prohibiting him from doing so.”


Consider the quotes from countless other articles on the subject (and here in particular, an article By Julie Hirschfeld Davis which appeared in the NYT on 1/28/15):

"In a telephone interview late Wednesday, Mr. Dermer said, “I have no regrets whatsoever that I have acted in a way to advance my country’s interests.” He said he never meant to slight the White House by keeping the confidence of the House speaker, who had suggested the invitation. He said he left it to Mr. Boehner to notify Mr. Obama’s team."


SO, although it was reported this scheme was the "brainchild" of Dermer, most other articles, including the NYT article, mislead the readers by stating Boehner initiated the invitation.

What a snake this Dermer guy is. According to the Forbes article, he was the one poking at the bee's nest and who is now all too happy to let Boehner take the stings by making us think this was all the Orange Dude's idea.

This statement from the 1/28/15 NYT article nails it, “He’s (Dermer's) a political operative, he’s not really an ambassador,” said Daniel C. Kurtzer, a former United States ambassador to Israel."

***That in itself is bad enough, but on the other hand, the Orange Dude can't do anything but sit there and take it, since to admit he took the bait from Dermer would prove once and for all what a tool he is for the Zionists and therefore a clear and present danger to U.S. security. This is the huge point that we must take note of and deal with from this whole incident.***

There is no question in my mind that Dermer should be declared “persona non grata” and removed from this country pronto. In addition, Boehner should step down immediately as his is clearly unfit and a threat to U.S. diplomacy and security.

This subterfuge should be headline news. The citizens of this country need to take notice of the entities who are pulling the strings in our government and the names of everyone who are their puppets, both willing and unwilling (you know, compromised politicians). Time to clean up the cesspool and take control of our own government again.



Indykatie

(3,697 posts)
19. This is Not a "Forbes OP Ed" but from a Self Identified "Left" Pundit - Great Indictment Though
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 11:36 AM
Jan 2015

Unfortunately most on the right continue to mute their criticism of this fiasco.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
28. Here is the Forbes article
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 01:00 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

[font size="3"]Bibi Netanyahu -- aka 'The Republican Senator From Israel' -- May Have Made A Fatal Political Mistake[/font]

Set aside, for the moment, the diplomatic row being sparked by Speaker of the House John Boehner as he seeks to create two conflicting foreign policies for the United States—one pursued by the President and the other pursued by the Congress.

Boehner’s hubris, in conjunction with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu’s desire to interfere with American policy while seeking to bolster his re-election campaign, may turn out to be the very political screw-up that will allow the joint ticket forged by the Labor-Hatnuah political parties to bring an end to Netanyahu’s long reign atop the Israeli government.

(the rest at link)

FBaggins

(26,773 posts)
48. As Indykatie pointed out... that't not a Forbes piece
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:28 PM
Jan 2015

Their website allows blogers to set up their own pages.

This is Rick Ungar's page... not an examples of Forbes "destroying" Boehner.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
20. I hope this buries Bibi in the elections
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jan 2015

The Israeli's I know are so grateful for American support and find bibi's constant sniping at this President embarrassing.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
32. To Boehner: My late card-playing grandmother used to tell us when we were behind in a game
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jan 2015

to play for the f**k-up! Sure enough the opposition would f**k by being over confident and eager to win.

Well, it looks like the President is just playing his hand waiting for the next f**k-up.

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
40. My prediction is that Netanyahu will not address Congress.
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:04 PM
Jan 2015

That's my prediction. They've already pushed it back a month. He's not going to be doing that, I think.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
42. I agree
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:16 PM
Jan 2015

More trouble than it's worth and there is plenty going on in Israel that he can point to and say it's not a good time to leave.

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
43. Also, there will be plenty of State Department pressure
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:18 PM
Jan 2015

to keep this from happening. I believe that will prevail over Boehner's insolence.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
45. I honestly don't think the State
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jan 2015

Department will need to do a thing. He's getting heat from his own citizens about his behavior.

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