Man arrested after tackling shopper...

[L0oniX]

Last edited Tue Jan 20, 2015, 08:53 PM - Edit history (1)

...carrying gun.

Hillsborough deputies arrested a man who spotted someone with a gun, followed him into a Walmart, and tackled him. The problem? The man with the gun had a concealed weapons permit, and the man who rushed him didn't call 911 or alert store security.

According to the sheriff's office, Michael Foster, 43, saw Clarence Daniels, 57, in the Walmart parking lot with a gun holstered under his coat. Foster followed Daniels into the store, put him in a choke-hold and brought him to the ground, the sheriff's office said. He then started yelling that Daniels had a gun.

A struggle ensued, with Daniels yelling that he had a permit. Security detained both men until deputies arrived. They confirmed Daniels had a permit for the gun, and arrested Foster.

He is charged with one count of battery.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/27896784/man-spots-gun-then-tackles-concealed-carry-license-holder

The gun owner, CCW permit holder is black. Think that had anything to do with this? I do!

[Nye Bevan]

1. Dumbass. Who follows someone who has a gun and tackles them?

Getting arrested for battery is far from being the worst possible outcome of this scenario.

[benz380]

17. Too much football maybe? nt

[Corey_Baker08]

2. I Refuse To Speculate On This Incident...

[Politicalboi]

3. WalMart should not allow guns in stores

And I don't care what color the gun nut is. Even though I never would have approached an armed idiot, I hope Mr. Foster can sue WalMart for making him go off for allowing guns in stores. Oh and Foster shows EVERYONE why some of us don't want guns everywhere. Had Foster been some deranged asshole, he could have gotten the gun and started shooting people near by. Keep precious at HOME!

[NYC_SKP]

5. I think you're confused. Mr. Foster committed the assault on an innocent man, he's not the victim.

You wrote:

And I don't care what color the gun nut is.

Even though I never would have approached an armed idiot, I hope Mr. Foster can sue WalMart for making him go off for allowing guns in stores.

Oh and Foster shows EVERYONE why some of us don't want guns everywhere.

Had Foster been some deranged asshole, he could have gotten the gun and started shooting people near by.

Keep precious at HOME!

So you think that Foster should sue Walmart, that they're to blame. And you think that the law abiding black man is an idiot.

Please tell us what other gems of wisdom you have there, friend.

[Anansi1171]

7. Thank you! If anyone should have the right to...

... Conceal carry these days, it's a law-abiding African-American!

For goodness sakes!

[madinmaryland]

13. If someone is so fucking paranoid that they feel the need to carry a gun in public, then

they probably should not be allowed to own a gun. Just too bad it wasn't a white Klucker that got the shit beat out of him.

Fucking gun-nutters.

[NYC_SKP]

20. We don't actually know why he had a CCW. We ought not judge him.

I know a few judges who carry a gun.

This man might have been a judge, or might have had any number of legal reasons to carry.

He did nothing wrong, and the person who jumped him is the real gun-nut here.

[Flatulo]

22. Yeah, clearly Mr. Foster is a mis-understood hero. Everyone should assault whomever they

suspect of carrying a gun. That should help convince the gun owners that there is no threat to them.

Hope this isn't needed -

[Nuclear Unicorn]

26. "If someone is so fucking paranoid that they feel the need to carry a gun in public..."

If someone is so fucking paranoid that they feel the need to carry a gun in public, then they probably should not be allowed to own a gun.

If someone is so frikkin' paranoid that they feel the need to tackle total strangers minding their own business and not posing a threat to anyone they probably shouldn't be allowed to walk amongst the public.

[L0oniX]

18. The batterer wouldn't call the cops but played the idiot false hero instead. IMO Foster is a racist.

Couldn't stand the idea of a black man carrying a legal concealed gun. I'll bet if the person was white Foster might have just called the cops.

[L0oniX]

15. Bwahahah ...Walmart sells guns and ammo.

[madville]

19. Businesses have no power to forbid firearms from their premises in Florida

If they find out someone has a gun and they don't like it they can ask the person to leave the business. If that person refuses to leave they can then call the police and report them for trespassing.

[Flatulo]

21. Wait, what? It's Walmart's fault that this idiot attacked a law-abiding citizen?

That's mighty fucked up, sir.

He'll lucky that he just got arrested. It could have gone much worse for him. I actually hope the citizen sues the shit out of him for assault and battery.

[NYC_SKP]

4. And they say that CCW holders are "nuts", or gun owners are "nuts"....

I present to you all, a Nut:



That's the nut who thought it would be smart to follow a man into the Walmart and tackle him.

[Bonobo]

8. A gun is a threat.

Disabling a perceived threat is not itself nutty. It is the opposite. Particulars of this case not withstanding.

[NYC_SKP]

10. A gun, by itselt, cannot threaten anyone. A gun, therefore, is not a threat.

The person might use it to threaten, or not.

In any event, the person is the threat, not the gun.

Disabling a perceived threat is not itself nutty.

<<< The essence of Stand Your Ground.

[Bonobo]

11. Do you know anything about threat assessment? It is part of self defense.

Putting aside your linguistic quibbling, a gun is very much a threat. If you don't think so, if you think the "person" is the threat, then tell me how threatening and dangerous he would be without the gun, okay?

So anyway..self defense and threat assessment... it is not nutty. Now stand your ground? Where the law has determined it is okay to kill an unarmed person even with your deadly gun? Now THAT is nutty. But we are talking the reverse here.

An unarmed person perceiving an armed person in a crowd of potential victims of a mass shooting as potentially dangerous MAY represent nutty thinking but does not necessarily. It may represent a wise and brave calculation of risk vs. reward. The risk being a minor assault charge and the reward being potentially saving people from a mass shooting.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

28. What does threat assessment say about people looking over the produce?

If you think an innocent man shopping is a threat then you know nothing of threat assessment.

So anyway..self defense and threat assessment... it is not nutty.

I'm trying to figure this out because you have such an extensive history of being anti-gun.

-- You're OK with threat assessments if a person is unarmed, but you're not OK with threat assessments if the person is armed.

-- You're OK with acting against a perceived threat while unarmed (even if illegitimately) but you're not OK with acting against a threat while armed (even if legitimately).

I'm trying to make sense of that.

[Bonobo]

32. You are pretty confused.

I am NOT okay with an armed person assessing an unarmed person as a threat worthy of shooting.

As for whether it is a legitimate or illegitimate defense, obviously that can only become clear AFTER the facts have shaken out. So your statement: "If you think an innocent man shopping is a threat then you know nothing of threat assessment. " is kinda...well dumb.

If you can't understand why a guy with a gun in a store full of shoppers MAY be perceived as a threat, I cannot help you.

It is a threat the likes of which can not be met by even a really angry unarmed guy.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

33. There was no threat. The attacker is a raving idiot who attacked a peaceable, law abiding man.

There was nothing to indicate a threat except a fool's febrile imagination.

If you can't understand why a guy with a gun in a store full of shoppers MAY be perceived as a threat, I cannot help you.

That's the usual answer when the facts do not support an argument.

[madinmaryland]

16. Huh? Aren't we as a society well past the "Wild West"? How the fuck are we supposed to know

if a nut with a gun is sane or not?

The answer is WE HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA if the gun-nutter is sane or not.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

29. "The answer is WE HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA if the gun-nutter is sane or not."

Do appearances of panicked screeching offer any sort of clues?

[L0oniX]

14. Riiigggghhhhttt. Dude attacks someone with a gun. Who's the nut? Who's the racist?

[Flatulo]

23. Yes, clearly the gun owner was the threat here.

I advocate assaulting and disabling all suspected gun owners.

Because, you know, they're a threat.

[Jesus Malverde]

6. Interesting case, what a nut job.

[DustyJoe]

9. concealed or open ?

The man with the CCW not having the gun truly concealed or carelessly concealed at that point becomes an open carry as far as i'm concerned. If the locale does not allow open carry then the permit holder bears some responsibility for what transpired.

[L0oniX]

12. Florida is not an open carry state ...but IMO this is about the person being black.

[Flatulo]

25. Mass shooters are almost always white, but race may have been part of it.

In my opinion, Mr. Foster is a danger to society.

[L0oniX]

31. In case you didn't know this was about a black man with the legal right to carry a concealed gun.

[Flatulo]

34. Yes, I indeed read the entire article.

I'm sure that just won't do, to some people.

[Flatulo]

24. The gun was concealed in a holster under his coat. Mr. Foster must have caught a glimpse of it.

Florida law accounts for such a glimpse and does not consider it 'brandishing'.

[alcibiades_mystery]

27. Thank Gawd he didn't call the police...Daniels might well be dead now

[L0oniX]

30. +1