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Omaha Steve

(99,632 posts)
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:34 PM Dec 2014

Seed libraries struggle with state laws limiting exchanges (DUer on the lam now?)

Last edited Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:53 PM - Edit history (1)


Seed exchanges gave us the Cherokee Purple Tomato. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025319364

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20141228/us-seed-struggle-f9479293cc.html

Dec 28, 10:18 AM (ET)

By SCOTT McFETRIDGE

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — For thousands of years, people have exchanged seeds to grow terrific tomatoes or produce the perfect potato, but a new effort to loan and borrow seeds has created a conflict between well-meaning gardeners and state agriculture officials who feel obligated to enforce laws restricting the practice.

Seed exchanges have sprouted up in about 300 locations around the country, most often in libraries, where gardeners can exchange self-pollinating seeds rather than buy standard, hybrid seeds. In spots like Duluth, Minnesota, the conflict with agriculture departments has surprised gardeners and library officials, who established exchanges to meet a growing interest in locally grown food and preserving certain varieties, never thinking to examine the intricacies of state seed laws.


In this Dec. 18, 2014 photo, Betsy Goodman handles seed packets at the Benson public library in Omaha, Neb. Goodman established a seed library at the library branch in 2012, and patrons checked out nearly 5,000 packets this year. Seed exchanges have sprouted up in about 300 locations around the country, most often in libraries, but the effort has created a conflict between well-meaning gardeners and state agriculture officials who feel obligated to enforce laws restricting the practice. (AP Photo/Nati Harnik)



"It's about the philosophy, the legacy of shared seeds," Duluth Library Manager Carla Powers said. Its seed exchange is operated by library employees and volunteers out of a converted wardrobe. "It's about sharing with our friends and neighbors in the community."

Agriculture officials say they weren't looking for a fight but felt obligated as they became aware of the increasingly popular seed libraries to enforce laws, which are largely uniform across the country.

FULL story at link.

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Seed libraries struggle with state laws limiting exchanges (DUer on the lam now?) (Original Post) Omaha Steve Dec 2014 OP
And yet we can't stop Monsanto's GMOs NV Whino Dec 2014 #1
These laws were passed to benefit Monsatan. roody Dec 2014 #2
True NV Whino Dec 2014 #3
The article mentioned Boreal Dec 2014 #20
+1 Quantess Dec 2014 #30
And the right to survive Boreal Dec 2014 #31
I read the whole article, LWolf Dec 2014 #4
It looks like the laws were written to make sure farmers weren't getting ripped off unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #6
Except that LWolf Dec 2014 #7
I agree unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #9
The article said the law Boreal Dec 2014 #22
This seems like simple unintended consequences to me unrepentant progress Dec 2014 #5
Interfering with commerce and freedom of association. Being online subjects one to such mischief. freshwest Dec 2014 #8
NRaleighLiberal's book is coming out soon . octoberlib Dec 2014 #10
Or you can support the unionzed workers at Powell's with this link Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #11
Thanks for the union link ! octoberlib Dec 2014 #13
Can't recommend the Book enough. Even if you think you can't grow tomatoes.. KoKo Dec 2014 #21
that's so kind of you to say. I've been thinking back over the journey that led to the book NRaleighLiberal Dec 2014 #26
I ordered a copy from right from Craig. It's a great book! peacebird Dec 2014 #35
it's available directly from me now! NRaleighLiberal Dec 2014 #12
Awesome! I'm going to order it through Powells to support the union. I can't wait to read it! octoberlib Dec 2014 #14
Also, I'll be sure to leave reviews at both Amazon and Powell's. octoberlib Dec 2014 #15
Autographed???? Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #16
not me! wait til I switch to my laptop... NRaleighLiberal Dec 2014 #17
yes - I've sent out about 80 signed copies over the last three weeks! NRaleighLiberal Dec 2014 #19
That's so great! How inspiring! RiverLover Dec 2014 #29
Got mine from you, it is wonderful! Look forward to seeing you talk at Monticello next year! peacebird Dec 2014 #36
Here is that link over in gardening Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #28
There is so much to say on this topic. A few main points - NRaleighLiberal Dec 2014 #18
Please give us a date for the camp out. roody Dec 2014 #23
July 17-19 I believe.. will be confirming next wk NRaleighLiberal Dec 2014 #24
Omaha Steve......Can you imagine it might come to this... KoKo Dec 2014 #25
I knew Monsanto stopped farmers from doing this. RiverLover Dec 2014 #27
K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts and links. JEB Dec 2014 #32
Bill Gates likes seeds too easychoice Dec 2014 #33
This is a perfect chance. Change the laws. Make the legislators work for us. mahina Dec 2014 #34

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
1. And yet we can't stop Monsanto's GMOs
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:49 PM
Dec 2014

Which do endanger the environment. The world's gone crazy, I tell you.

 

Boreal

(725 posts)
20. The article mentioned
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:50 PM
Dec 2014

the law in question was passed about 10 years ago. You BET it's about protecting big ag and GMO. It also used words like "well meaning gardeners" which is meant to imply the stupid little sheeple don't know any better and evil bureaucrats DO know what's best. Then it goes to talk about LICENSING, i.e., permission to do that which would otherwise be illegal. Well, fuck that. This should not be tolerated. As someone quoted in the article mentioned, exchanging seeds is a human right. Growing your own food is a human right. Trading, selling, or giving that food is a human right. EATING is a human right. The fact is, there are forces who do not want people to be independent when it comes to feeding themselves and, historically, these kinds of control freaks have caused famines - be it for profit (the British) or simply because of stupidity (the Bolsheviks). Growing, preparing, sharing and selling our own food has been attack for quite a few years now. Food co-ops have been raided by SWAT teams and all the food looted and/or destroyed and people's gardens have been destroyed by government goons. WHY IS THIS TOLERATED?!

 

Boreal

(725 posts)
31. And the right to survive
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:59 PM
Dec 2014

Elites can have their heirloom seed banks because, well, they're elites, but regular humans can't share NATURE?! Screw that.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
4. I read the whole article,
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:04 PM
Dec 2014

and I'm still not sure why a seed library would be illegal.

If it really is, then laws need to be changed, and seed sharers need to find more ways to accomplish that sharing in the meantime.

6. It looks like the laws were written to make sure farmers weren't getting ripped off
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:34 PM
Dec 2014

That they were getting viable seeds, which grew into what was actually on the label. The problem comes in that the laws make no provision for Aunt Betsy's garden club trading seeds. So if the state doesn't go after Aunt Betsy, then the big seed companies can cry discrimination, and perhaps get away with selling inferior seeds to farmers. The laws need to be changed to explicitly allow things like seed exchanges, but good luck. I looked at my own state's seed law which was altered in 2004. Prior to that it had been unchanged since 1957!

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
7. Except that
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:38 PM
Dec 2014

sharing, exchanging, doesn't involve money, nor profit. There are no sellers nor buyers, no commercial profits and losses, so they SHOULD be exempt.

9. I agree
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:12 PM
Dec 2014

Unfortunately, the laws didn't make any consideration to that effect. They couldn't imagine that organized seed sharing would be just around the corner. Just like the IP laws back in the 20th century never imagined that very soon people would be using an infinite copy machine for everything under the sun and thus would have to consent to ridiculous Terms of Use agreements giving everybody from Google to your local TV repairman the right to duplicate and distribute your words, images, voice, etc. in such a way that it's indistinguishable to giving everybody but you the right to profit from your online life.

Unintended consequences. They're a bear.

 

Boreal

(725 posts)
22. The article said the law
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:57 PM
Dec 2014

referred to the SALE of seeds but was being "interpreted" to include seed swapping. Well, WHO is making that interpretation?

Interfering with people swapping or even selling seeds among themselves is a direct attack on the right to provide for ones self - a fundamental human right.

5. This seems like simple unintended consequences to me
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 03:09 PM
Dec 2014

After all, Big Agra is already protected, and granted far more power, by the IP laws.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
10. NRaleighLiberal's book is coming out soon .
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:34 PM
Dec 2014
http://www.amazon.com/Epic-Tomatoes-Select-Grow-Varieties-ebook/dp/B00KLNAJCK/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419798292&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=craig+lehouillier


Book Description
Publication Date: January 10, 2015
Savor your best tomato harvest ever! Craig LeHoullier, tomato adviser for Seed Savers Exchange, offers everything a tomato enthusiast needs to know about growing more than 200 varieties of tomatoes — from sowing seeds and planting to cultivating and collecting seeds at the end of the season. He also offers a comprehensive guide to the various pests and diseases of tomatoes and explains how best to avoid them. No other book offers such a detailed look at the specifics of growing tomatoes, with beautiful photographs and helpful tomato profiles throughout.


Omaha Steve

(99,632 posts)
11. Or you can support the unionzed workers at Powell's with this link
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:44 PM
Dec 2014

Amazon is a bad place to work.

Use this link first: http://ilwulocal5.com/ At no extra charge the union employees get paid FMLA, sick time, additional training like new automation, family emergency funds, college scholarships, etc.




Synopses & Reviews
Publisher Comments:
Savor your best tomato harvest ever! Craig LeHoullier, tomato adviser for Seed Savers Exchange, offers everything a tomato enthusiast needs to know about growing more than 200 varieties of tomatoes — from sowing seeds and planting to cultivating and collecting seeds at the end of the season. He also offers a comprehensive guide to the various pests and diseases of tomatoes and explains how best to avoid them. No other book offers such a detailed look at the specifics of growing tomatoes, with beautiful photographs and helpful tomato profiles throughout.

Synopsis:
Sweet Success

Grow and harvest the best tomatoes ever with this practical and beautiful guide by tomato expert Craig LeHoullier. Along the way, you'll learn about this fruit's fascinating history and meet 33 of LeHoullier's favorite varieties.
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About the Author
Craig LeHoullier, author of Epic Tomatoes, is the tomato adviser for Seed Savers Exchange. In the last 30 years, he has trialed more than 1,200 tomato varieties and has introduced more than 100 varieties to the trade. He lectures widely, from local Master Gardener groups to Monticello and Seed Savers Exchange. He's one of the founders of Tomatopalooza, an event in his hometown of Raleigh, North Carolina. His blog and website are located at nctomatoman.weebly.com.


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Table of Contents
Preface

Introduction


1 The Origins of Today's Tomato

2 Anatomy of a Tomato

3 Planning and Planting

4 Growing, Maintenance, and Care

5 Harvest Celebration

6 Saving for the Future

7 Breed Your Own Tomatoes

8 Q & A

9 Troubleshooting (Diseases, Pests, and Other Problems)


Recommended Tomatoes

Resources and Sources

Glossary

Acknowledgments

Index

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
21. Can't recommend the Book enough. Even if you think you can't grow tomatoes..
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:53 PM
Dec 2014

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this book will inspire you.

Not only that, but it's a fascinating historical read with wonderful anecdotes and photographs.

Managed to get early copies to send to relatives for holiday presents..and they are raving about how interesting it is. One particularly found his info on "deer control" fascinating and another has very little light for a garden but lives on the edge of a lake in upstate NY and has been doing boxed gardens on the lake shore to get the sun. She's really excited about being able to try growing the heirlooms with his methods.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
26. that's so kind of you to say. I've been thinking back over the journey that led to the book
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 10:33 PM
Dec 2014

It's a good time to reflect - before the craziness of the coming year. I decided that I really do enjoy writing (I've no formal training - I just sit and let it flow!) - book 2 is already with the editor (Dec 2015 release date) and I am waiting to hear if/what they want me to do next (I have ideas!). The words are the words, the info is the info - but what I love is what the publisher did in terms of layout, the care they took - including providing two photographers (one each the past two summers) - and the book looks real.

It was a compromise between what I wanted the book to be and what they wanted - and I think I tilted it in my favor!

(psst psst....Amazon reviews are really helpful for getting attention for the book - honest reviews, of course!)

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
12. it's available directly from me now!
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 04:49 PM
Dec 2014


There is a post in gardening about it...saw it in a store in Durham just before Christmas...a surreal experience!

My new website is www.epictomatoes.com

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
19. yes - I've sent out about 80 signed copies over the last three weeks!
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:47 PM
Dec 2014

The book seems to hit the etailers over the next few days. I've got 20 events scheduled around the country in 2015....with more to be scheduled, I think (makes me tired even thinking about it, but I will be energized when the time comes!)

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
18. There is so much to say on this topic. A few main points -
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:38 PM
Dec 2014

we've been aware for months of the threats to seed libraries here and there (I am part of an advisory group for a local seed library in Durham NC). The biggest profile closures we have been aware of are in PA and MD - but it seems like things continue. In a way, it is setting up a major confrontation with the biggest seed exchange of all in the US, the Seed Savers Exchange in Decorah, Iowa (formed in 1975 and home to thousands and thousands of members).

Here is the SSE response to the seed library issue

http://blog.seedsavers.org/blog/in-defense-of-seed-libraries

But that was some months ago - undoubtedly (and apparently, with the link you provided), this issue is continuing and will need to be addressed. The whole non-hybrid botanical history of our country (the world, even) is due to growing, sharing and saving seeds, and the advantages that happen when chance or intended crossing and selection occur, leading to locally adapted varieties.

So here we are, even in gardening, when it seems to be coming down to back yard gardeners vs big business. Gives one a headache, doesn't it....

I will be in Decorah this summer, as a keynote speaker at the Seed Savers campout - I am sure that this will be an oft-discussed topic.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
25. Omaha Steve......Can you imagine it might come to this...
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:57 PM
Dec 2014

having to do "Die In's" and Massive Protests so that we can protest our RIGHTS to "SAVE OUR SEEDS?"

Who could have Thunk?

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
27. I knew Monsanto stopped farmers from doing this.
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:06 PM
Dec 2014

But local communities?

We truly live in nation controlled by corporations.

A nation where it's fine to buy an Uzi, but not go to a library and exchange seeds. What is communism like? Is it different from this?

...For as long as humans have been growing food, farmers have saved seeds from their harvest to sow the following year. But Monsanto and other big seed companies have changed the rules of the game. They have successfully argued that they spend millions of dollars developing new crop varieties and that these products should be treated as proprietary inventions with full patent protection. Just as one can't legally reproduce a CD or DVD, farmers are now prohibited from copying the GM seeds that they purchase from companies like Monsanto, Bayer, Dow and Syngenta.

In one sense, these corporations no longer sell seeds - they lease them, requiring farmers to renew their lease with every subsequent growing season. Monsanto itself compares its GM seeds to rental cars. When you are finished using them, rights revert to the owner of the "intellectual property" contained within the seed.

Some farmers have saved their seeds anyway (called "brown bagging&quot , in some cases to save money, in others because they don't like the big companies telling them how to farm. Monsanto has responded with an all-out effort to track down the brown baggers and prosecute them as an example to others who might be tempted to violate its patent. By aggressively enforcing its "no replant policy," Monsanto has initiated a permanent low-grade war against farmers...

http://www.alternet.org/food/monsantos-rural-police-state


I guess its a war against all of us.

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