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kpete

(71,991 posts)
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:32 PM Dec 2014

After Cheney, Who is next? Charles Manson?

Why are torturers being given “balance” in the press?
By David Atkins
Why? Who's next? Charles Manson?

This stuff is obvious. And yet the TV shows and newspaper stories are full of balance given to the pro-torture side. Why? Despite objections to the contrary, journalists do not always give balance to both sides of an argument if the other side is deemed irrelevant or depraved. Whenever the deficit bugbear rolls to the forefront, almost no balance is given to the Keynesian point of view despite their predictions being consistently correct: the idea that one needn’t actually cut the deficit during a recession is treated as so outre as to require no journalistic attention.

More pointedly, when journalists write about torture and depredations of current or former regimes, journalists don’t feel the need to get the torturers’ side of the story. No one is rushing to ask Assad’s torturers in Syria if their tactics are necessary to keep “terrorists” in check. No one is asking North Korean guards if their treatment of their people is OK because some other country is worse. No one rushes to counterbalance the accounts of Holocaust victims with the justifications of Nazi guards. It simply isn’t done, any more than we “balance” stories of child sexual abuse with a hot-take counterpoint from a member of NAMBLA. The reason we don’t provide “balance” in these cases is that to do so would be to normalize those behaviors as part of legitimate discourse.

So why in the world are the torturers who subjected innocent people to anal feedings and dungeon ceiling hangings given the courtesy of “balance” in the press? Where is the line that separates issues that require balance from those that do not?


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2014_12/why_are_torturers_being_provid053308.php





"It gave us actionable intelligence" wouldn't be a defense even if it were true: this is the key to the argument. Even if it had produced information that was useful in any capacity other than advancing the GWoT and producing effective propaganda for continuing the fight, it isn't acceptable because the methods are not those a nation of laws is supposed to employ. The US cannot denounce use of these methods elsewhere and justify employing them for its own purposes; if they are not acceptable to be used on US citizens/servicepeople then they are not acceptable to be used by the same. Period. The potential for producing "actionable intelligence" is not even relevant.
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marym625

(17,997 posts)
1. ha! I was just thinking that
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:37 PM
Dec 2014

Especially with the current, obvious, destruction of property by KKK types in protest areas. Made me think about the Manson "logic"

The two things, the racist, brutilizing, killer cops and the torture by the US government are just two sides of the same coin

spanone

(135,831 posts)
2. torture is not a 'matter of opinion'. i wondered about the 'balance' watching cheney on tv
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:40 PM
Dec 2014

defending torture.

malthaussen

(17,195 posts)
5. Naw, Charles is too busy with his bride
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 12:52 PM
Dec 2014
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/09/justice/charles-manson-wife/

Well, if somebody can "love" Manson, it's not so big a leap to think that Cheney has supporters. Doubt they'd marry him, though. Mrs Cheney might object.

-- Mal

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
6. Cheney and his minions don't really give a shit if these methods are used on US servicepeople and
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 01:32 PM
Dec 2014

citizens held hostage abroad. They have no skin in that game. Americans abroad are just pawns to them.

Martin Eden

(12,867 posts)
7. K&R -- Very Important Point
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:30 PM
Dec 2014

Providing "balance" by soliciting the opinion of Dick Cheney is like inviting members of the Flat Earth Society to speak at a convention of geologists.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
8. Truth used to have value in journalism.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:26 PM
Dec 2014

Journalists used to take the extra effort to determine if someone lied. Now they defend their craftsmanship by verifying that the person more or less said what they quoted them saying, and ignoring the truthfulness of the content of the statement.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
9. The M$M are no longer journalists in any sense of the word.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:37 PM
Dec 2014

They are stenographers and enablers of the propagandists, nothing more.

I think DicKKK would even scare Mister Charlie.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
10. When we condone torture then don't complain when a American soldier is tortured.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:41 PM
Dec 2014

They very same people who are shocked and sicken by the torture of American hostages in far too many cases are willing to not only approve of what Cheney and his henchmen did by praise it as an American value to be applauded. Even when it was obviously innocent victims and no intelligence of value they tortured them to make sure they could confirm their findings. These were some sick bastards.

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