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Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:23 AM

Self-Inflicted Wounds.

Regarding George Zimmerman. I wouldn't put it past someone who just realized they killed an unarmed teenager after the police dispatch told him not to follow someone to grab a knife, screwdriver, broken glass, etc. and cut himself in order to make it look like self-defense. I'm not saying this is what happened, but how can they rule out that wasn't what happened? Surface head wounds bleed ALOT even though they're usually very non-life-threatening. And it's easy to just reach around and cut yourself with a sharp object on the back of your head, especially not having to see the wound makes it easier. Maybe he heard the sirens in the distance, had an "oh shit I'm f**ked!" moment and needed a defense.

Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, Trayvon had every right to stand his own ground against someone who was stalking and menacing him. I don't know how the narrative took such a strange turn. This is how the narrative should have been coming from the media and news: Today a 17yr old teenage boy lost his life trying to fight off a man who stalked and initiated an attack on him. The young man lost his life while walking home from the store from a gun shot wound after his attacker opened fire on him, killing him on the scene.

George should have been arrested on day 1. The Sanford Police should be ashamed of themselves.

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Reply Self-Inflicted Wounds. (Original post)
FarLeftFist Apr 2012 OP
NNN0LHI Apr 2012 #1
bemildred Apr 2012 #2
Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #3
Daalalou Apr 2012 #6
madashelltoo Apr 2012 #4
Bjorn Against Apr 2012 #5
madashelltoo Apr 2012 #7
magical thyme Apr 2012 #8
madashelltoo Apr 2012 #10
magical thyme Apr 2012 #14
Bjorn Against Apr 2012 #11
magical thyme Apr 2012 #15
Solomon Apr 2012 #9
Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #12
libodem Apr 2012 #13
Name removed Jul 2013 #16

Response to FarLeftFist (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:29 AM

1. I would really rather believe that Trayvon got a couple of licks in before the fucker murdered him

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:32 AM

2. +1.

I was looking at his eyes, and wondering what he's been taking.

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Response to FarLeftFist (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:45 AM

3. Dale Gilbreath, an investigator for the prosecution,

 

testified that he does not know whether Martin or Zimmerman threw the first punch and that there is no evidence to disprove Zimmerman's contention he was walking back to his vehicle when confronted by Martin.

But Gilbreath also said Zimmerman's claim that Martin was slamming his head against the sidewalk just before he shot the teenager was "not consistent with the evidence we found." He gave no details.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/national_world&id=8629394


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Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 11:56 AM

6. I'd like to know what Zimmerman was doing

... between the end of his 911 call and the start of the altercation. He had 3 or 4 minutes to get back there, but hadn't arrived; moreover, the altercation occurred closer to Trayvon's home rather than closer to Zimm's vehicle. (Meanwhile, Trayvon was on the phone with his girlfriend until just before the altercation began). To me, this makes Zimm's claim of returning to his vehicle suspect. I suppose they can't disprove Zimm's claim, but I sure would like the question to be asked.

I am glad to see the questioning of the injury claim. That has been what I have found unlikely since the beginning.

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Response to FarLeftFist (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:52 AM

4. ENJOYING THE NOTORIETY!!!!

If Zimmerman, his father or his brother had access to the picture of the blood streaming down the back of his head while all of this was brewing, why would they not share it with the press? Why did they wait until his bail hearing to produce them? If there are medical records proving his nose was broken by Travon, why didn't he produce them? The police had already given him a pass on the murder on Stand Your Ground and he never expected to be arrested, right? After all, the media is where Zimmerman was being crucified, or so they said. His father and his brother went on television to give George's side of the story, but there was never any mention of photos. Why? There was not even a note from the physician who attended his injuries saying what they were or how extensive they were. Travon had no marks on his hands from punching George. George hit himself in the face with the gun when it recoiled because they were so close together. George invaded Travon's space and he most likely shoved George and he fell and hit his head on the ground, grass, not cement. Being a city dweller, I know that if you fall and hit your head on cement there will be no immediate thoughts of defense. There won't be any immediate thoughts at all. The sound of your head hitting cement is horrendous and the damage would not be two little welts with a light stream of blood. The impact spot would be swollen (we call them hickeys), discolored and extremely bloody three minutes after. What I see in the photo is what you get when you hit your head on dirt and not repeatedly.

I think George wants the notoriety. He is getting off on seeing his picture everywhere, his name in headlines, being the poster-boy for the NRA; they contributed $10,000 toward his defense fund. His apology was not for killing their son, but for the "loss" of their son. They did not lose their son. They let him go to the store and George shot and killed him because he did not like what he was wearing. His story keeps changing because he's making it up as he goes along.

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Response to FarLeftFist (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 11:53 AM

5. That still doesn't explain how there was no blood in the police video 38 minutes later however

If you had a wound that was bleeding as much as the one in the picture that was released yesterday you could not just stop the bleeding entirely without so much as a bandaid just 38 minutes later. Your theory would make sense if it were not for Zimmerman's apparent rapid healing abilities, but without blood in the police video I have to assume the photo that was released yesterday is a fraud. Remember this picture did not come out in court, but rather it was released by ABC News from an unknown person who supposedly took the picture on their iPhone before police arrived. Let's see if this photographer ever gets called to the stand, if they knew who it was that person would be a key witness and would certainly be called to testify. If the source for this photo is never called to testify then we can pretty much guarantee the photo is a fake.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:05 PM

7. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT

I'm not saying it's not a fake, I'm simply saying that would have been the only explanation I could come up with for the kind of injuries he was supposed to have. And, yes, the photos were not introduced at trial, but they were definitely meant to sway public opinion before he was released on bail. Nothing short of a video of the entire episode will get Georgie off the hook.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:14 PM

8. um, yes you can

Arteries are hard to stop the bleeding.

Capillaries and veins -- easy to stop. Superficial scratches (head in particular) can bleed profusely and then stop very quickly on their own. If they don't stop quickly, then pressure usually does it. Worst case, there are styptics that sting, but stop the bleeding instantly (same stuff used for shaving cuts and Quickstop for birds). I remember 2 years ago I was hit on the head by a falling icicle. I was shocked by the sight of blood that had covered half my face and hair -- without my even realizing it -- after I finished my shoveling and returned to the house. But it had long since stopped bleeding. Took just a couple minutes to clean up. The hair took the most time, but then Zimmerman doesn't have that issue.

His superficial scratches would have been easy to clean up. The bleeding probably stopped on its own and because the scratches were so superficial, didn't even require a band aid.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:55 PM

10. Okay . . .

but where is the hickey? He said his head had been banged on the cement.

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Response to madashelltoo (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 05:29 PM

14. that's where his claim of being banged repeatedly on the cement falls apart

I don't doubt the blood on his head or his bloody nose at this point. The police records indicate the bleeding, and the EMT report states that there were minor injuries.

Pure speculation: Trayvon punched him in the nose and he fell down and hit his head on the edge of the paved walkway between the townhouses. Hence the horizontal cuts across the back of his head. Then he got really pissed off that that n-boy getting the better of him, and pulled out his gun.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 03:25 PM

11. At the very least medics would put a bandage over a cut that had been bleeding that much

They even put a bandaid on me when I get flu shots and those hardly bleed at all, medics always cover up wounds no matter how minor when they treat a person. Even if you are correct that bleeding on a wound like the one in that photo could be stopped in 38 minutes, which I am highly skeptical of, the medics who saw Zimmerman at the scene would have at the very least put a bandage over the wound.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 05:32 PM

15. I'm saying the bleeding would have stopped itself within seconds

that's not a lot of blood for a scratch across the head. I bled at least as much, if not far more when I was beaned by an icicle, with only a tiny cut responsible.

Possibly the Medics put some of that "glue-on" bandage across it. That blends in and provides a quick and easy protection. Or perhaps Zimmerman refused further treatment.

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Response to FarLeftFist (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:18 PM

9. Remember the backwards b girl?

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Response to FarLeftFist (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 03:46 PM

12. If I just shot and killed someone, hell yes I would cut the crap out of myself


If it could prevent me possibly going to jail for life. That is a no brainer and what is interesting about the photo is the blood is running down around his head. If he was on the ground the blood would be smeared all over the place from the grass, not clean drips running to the sides and down toward his back.

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Response to FarLeftFist (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 03:46 PM

13. I sick of the press

Everywhere continuing to refer to him as a Neighborhood Watch captain. I swear I'd be for holding that whole organization responsible for not vetting this madman. Otherwise they should denounce any relationship. This special title seem to grant some authority and licence to act in behalf of organization that gave him permission. Even the HOA had no business granting him any authority or responsibility for managing the gated community, if he wasn't a home owner, or for that matter if he was. Hate crime by a self appointed vigilante racist pig.

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