"I hate niggers. That is all."

[PsychGrad]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by William769 (a host of the General Discussion forum).

I cannot even believe that I am reading this in the year 2014. Racists should not be able to be police officers, and especially not in areas that are majority POC. I can't even get my head around this kind of blind hatred.

* And here's my edit. I'm not changing the title, I'm not taking the quote out, and I'm not softening the language that the cop used. I'm sorry if you are offended by my quoting him directly - but am shocked that you aren't offended that he used the word - and more focused on me quoting him without using ****** or @%#$^. This is the word he used. Let it be seen. I took the title from a link that showed up in my feed on another site. I copied and pasted to share the article with you all. Again, I'm disappointed that so many of you are focusing on the fact that I quoted him, without censoring, than with the fact that he and his buddies, entrusted to fairly enforce the law, were texting each other these hateful words. I am a white woman. My husband is a POC, and our children are bi-racial. I do not use the word, nor does anyone in my family - and that includes all of my extended family. I have been fighting against racism since I was a kid, and long before I had any personal stake in the issue. But now? Now, my children's lives are on the line, and I want it out there. I want people to see what these people are saying behind closed doors and amongst themselves. They don't have the nerve to say it to our faces, but I will hold them accountable for saying it anywhere and to anyone. This has been sent to jury twice now, and has been voted on to be left alone, twice. If it offends you so much that you can't even focus on the real issue - police discrimination against POC - then I suggest that you find another cause to fight for, because this one is going to roll you over if that's all it takes to get you to the point of disgust and disengagement.


Article:

Racists OUTRAGED After Ohio Deputies Suspended For Disgustingly Racist Texts (Screenshots)

Five Ohio deputies have been implicated in sending racist text messages to one another after an anonymous tip was sent to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the Montgomery County Sheriff’s Office. After an investigation it was revealed the deputies had allegedly sent racist texts to one another between 2011 and 2013 on their personal cellphones.


http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/racism/racists-outraged-after-ohio-deputies-suspended-for-disgustingly-racist-texts-screenshots/

[newfie11]

1. I wonder how many African American people they've harassed.

[Derek V]

3. or worse

[MADem]

142. I wonder how many convictions can potentially be overturned as a consequence of that

hateful, intemperate comment?

If that asshole testified against any black people in court, that would seem to me to be the basis for a new trial....

[MADem]

188. WTF? You need to check yourself, Ma'am.

Not all BLACK people are American, thank you very much.

In fact, most are NOT American.

Get real.

[marym625]

193. exactly what you said to me

[PsychGrad]

205. The black people in my family

prefer to be called black people. They aren't African, at least not that we know of. They are black Americans. Not everyone prefers the term African-American.

[marym625]

209. I agree

And I should have said it privately. Was not cool. I will delete. Was a response tto before

[cali]

2. It just isn't necessary to use the N word- even in excoriating its use.

[PsychGrad]

4. I quoted.

Believe me, I get it, this is very personal for me. But I am tired of stepping around it. This is what he said, and it needs to be heard and read in all its ugliness.

[cali]

5. people would recognize precisely what he said if you used this: N*****

[PsychGrad]

7. I told you why

I used it without censorship. You don't have to like it, but I'm not changing it. It should make people uncomfortable.

[brush]

111. You need to stop using that word.

It has humongous historical baggage and is still hurtful to African Americans.

You are not African American so SHOW SOME FU_CKING RESPECT.

Especially now with all these killings by racist cops of African Americans.

Here's a test for you — since you're so comfortable using it, try using it in person to some black men instead of behind you keyboard.

If that thought makes you uncomfortable, you should stop using it.

[steve2470]

116. +1 nt

[phil89]

118. So someone should be assaulted for using a word??

that makes a lot of sense. Unbelievable.

[stone space]

120. Somebody used that word towards my wife at work once.

The woman was sent home and told in no uncertain terms never to return, again.

A similar policy would work well here at DU.

[brush]

176. Are you new to this country or something?

I am merely suggesting that the poster learn a life lesson of the baggage and hate associated with that word.

The word should not be used, IMO, by African Americans either, and especially on this progressive site.

[PsychGrad]

182. I'm well aware....

but thanks for educating me that when I quote someone that I'm "using" their words. Maybe, you could find some anger towards the cop who actually used the word?

[PsychGrad]

156. I am not black...

But my children are, and my husband is. Trust me, I hear the word more than you can even fathom. And, I didn't say the word - the cop in this article did. By the way, my husband would like to meet you bc he thinks that threatening women for using a quote is some bullshit.

[brush]

172. How the hell would I know you were a woman?

And you should still stop using that word, as should African Americans IMO.

[PsychGrad]

180. I didn't use the word.

Do you know what quotes mean?????

[brush]

183. You posted it

Since you're new to this PROGRESSIVE SITE maybe you don't know the generally recognized protocol of how to refer to that word, thus, avoiding the hate and baggage associated with it, and therefore being considerate of POC who visit here.

[PsychGrad]

184. I'm not new.

Been here almost 4 years. I posted a QUOTE. And, I am well aware of the baggage of the word. Perhaps you would like to come over and talk to my young bi-racial children about the baggage since you seem to think I know nothing of it? And, their father, who is a POC - you want to tell him how to handle it too? Seriously, get over yourself.

[brush]

203. I don't get it

You have a pretty low post count so I thought you might be new.

And as far as getting over myself, you must have noticed I'm not the only one who objected to your posting of the word — I would think you'd understand that especially since you're married to a person of color and have children.

If I were married to a Jewish person I certainly would not be posting even quotes of ethnic slurs against him/her without cleaning them up so as not to offend my spouse, and others.

But that's just me.

[PsychGrad]

211. Well - I am not new.

I just haven't posted a lot. I have posted recently bc this issue is a big one for me. I do notice that you aren't the only one who objected, but I also notice that many people saw the quote for what it was - a quote. Two jury decisions and several private messages, and several public - stating that it's not my job to censor what the racist cop wrote.

I talked to my husband about it - and he would be offended IF I used the word. I didn't. A cop used the word, and I quoted him. When my husband asked what the tweet was - I said it, out loud, without censoring - and my husband didn't take it personally from ME - but was pretty disgusted with the cop.

The word IS offensive. But, part of the problem is that when we discuss it out in public, we clean it up - so we don't have to see it or hear it. And, I think that is a problem and I think it hinders our progress forward in that - if we never have to see it or hear it - we don't have to feel its ugliness. That ugliness in the pit of our stomachs when we see it or hear it can be the catalyst for change and progress - if we focus that disgust and anger and energy where it needs to go.

In this thread, many are focusing it on me. That's the problem - its focus should be the cops who texted it to each other. If I soften it for them, then people don't get that pit of the stomach ick - they get that obscure and removed from it "well, that's a shame".

You fight the fight the way you see fit, and I (and my family) will fight it our way. We don't soften it up for the racists - nor do we use the word with one another at all. The only time it is heard or said in our house is when quoting people who DO use it.

[stone space]

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Thank you.

[Quackers]

162. I think the jury got that one right.

Alerting on that post because the other one wasn't hidden seems petty.

[stone space]

190. It seemed a good idea to give DU another chance. (nt)

[Quackers]

206. While I understand you're upset about the jury decision on the OP

That shouldn't have an effect on other post from the same person. That's why DU is getting a reputation for alert swarming. Each post should be judged on its own merits and value to the discussion.

[stone space]

212. A post doubling down on the original offense.

Alert swarming is the least of DU's reputational problems at this point.

[MrScorpio]

147. I don't use it and I'm black...

Marinate on that for a while.

[Orrex]

12. louie CK addressed this in "Chewed Up"

In essence, he called "the N-word" intellectually lazy because it makes the reader "say" the actual word in her head, while the speaker gets away without really saying it.

[Live and Learn]

19. +1 nt

[Pacifist Patriot]

196. Excellent point.

[Frank Cannon]

20. It's a word, not a magical spell.

When you do shit like that, you continue to assign to the word a power and influence it shouldn't have. You perpetuate the very problem I think you're trying to avoid.

People have thrown the words "Nazi" and "fascist" around at each other to the point that those words almost don't mean anything anymore. At least, they don't register any particular significance to the listener. Call Ann Coulter a Nazi and see if she gives a rat's ass.

I believe a main reason why African-Americans tend to use the term "nigger" with each other quite a bit, and why so many A-A comedians use it, is because they know that by making it no big deal, they can eventually "wear it out" of its power to wound and hurt. And I believe they're right about that.

[WinkyDink]

25. Really? You've not heard of "Them's fightin' words"? Denying the power of words is ridiculous.

[Frank Cannon]

28. They have only the power we assign to them.

With enough repetition, they become mundane and thereby toothless.

[RobinA]

50. Thank You

I've been making this point for years. De-power this word. This ridiculous ban on it just perpetrates its power.

[gollygee]

57. Their power comes from historical context

You can't just ignore that context. That word is still hurtful. It's disrespectful to blithely throw it around when you aren't in the group it's been used to dehumanize.

[steve2470]

64. totally agree nt

[whathehell]

80. I agree...Every word can't be defused by repetition -- Some can, most can't, IMO. n/t

[gollygee]

82. And the people who get to decide whether that's a reasonable take on the word

are the people the word is used to hurt. It's like me using a knife to hurt someone and saying, "If I use this knife enough, it will get dull and stop hurting!" Maybe, maybe not, but it's inflicting damage in the mean time and I don't have a right to do that.

You know, maybe Psych Grad is African American, in which case I don't intend to second guess him or her. I'm going to let this go.

[stone space]

108. Psych Grad is white.

You know, maybe Psych Grad is African American

[PsychGrad]

158. And it's a quote...

You are taking this to a level that is ridiculous. I didn't use the word, I quoted it. Maybe put your energy to better use instead of attacking me for quoting some racist asshole?

[LawDeeDah]

99. I'll take a wild guess and say it's mostly white folk think this word should be repeated

to exorcize it's meaning or some dumb shit like that.

[whathehell]

154. I don't know of any data that suggests it's a belief of any particular race..

I've heard both black and white people express their belief in it.

[seabeyond]

87. says the white man? nt

[Frank Cannon]

91. Yeah, I'm a white guy. So what?

I'm not sure what you're implying, but then, I don't really give a fuck. See how easy that is?

I am against any and all forms of censorship. I don't care who the censor is or what their intentions are. I never elected anyone "word police".

[seabeyond]

100. So what? You are for blacks not to be offended proceeds black having historically offensive words

Used.

Cause we whites are so damn special, we can heave that heavy sigh of burden that we have to once again recognize and acknowledge the abuse we have done to a group of people.

[gollygee]

37. It's disrespectful

African Americans use that word as in-language. It helps create community - "You and I are both part of this history."

[notadmblnd]

109. Not -er but -a

and yes, my son and his friends use it as a term of endearment in the same way others use the term BFF.

[PsychGrad]

157. This.

We do not use the word at all. But, when other people use it - they should be held accountable for it. And not have ***** in its place to soften their blow. They want to make a big statement using that word, let's let them make their statement in all its ugliness. And again, I don't say the word or use the word - neither do my bi-racial children or my black husband - but other people certainly do throw it at them and of course I get my own words thrown at me. I am throwing it right back at people now. I'm tired of hearing it, I'm tired of nobody saying it "in polite company" but being able to scream it out their car windows. HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE for using it and stop softening it for them!

[Nye Bevan]

47. Should "To Kill a Mockingbird" print the word as "n*****"? (nt)

[cali]

75. no. and the reasons are in your face obvious.

[Nye Bevan]

81. People would realize precisely what Harper Lee meant if they printed this: N*****

All readers would know what word was intended, and folks such as you who object to seeing the actual word printed should be happier.

[cali]

86. you don't seem to grasp the difference between a post on DU and a work of literature

context counts but spew all the hateful language you like while telling yourself you're being brave and bucking pc.

gad. pathetic. truly.

[Nye Bevan]

89. Why soften that word's impact in some places but not in others?

In any case, here's a browser plugin you might find useful. It will censor words of your choosing:

http://webcensorapp.com

[tenderfoot]

90. He's a passive aggressive disruptor...

and I have a feeling you already know that.

[Rhinodawg]

110. see

[gollygee]

78. You're comparing a subject line on DU

to literature?

[titaniumsalute]

70. Come on grow up...we're all big boys and girls on here

The use of a bunch of ****** is rather childish. I think we need to see the ugly truth for what it is and not sugar coat crap.

[PsychGrad]

159. Exactly.

If they want to use it behind closed doors - drag them out and make them hear its ugliness. It even feels ugly typing it - but if we all keep softening it for them, we help keep the reaction down towards them. He didn't text that the hated N****** - he typed out the whole damn word - in all its ugliness. I can't believe how many people don't see the quotes around it ffs.

[nichomachus]

177. I just can't believe

That there is one word that no one is ever allowed to say or write. I don't know who started this, but it's ridiculous.

[LanternWaste]

198. You thuse it regularly...? Or is it possible that you require specific qualifiers prior to using it?

You then use it regularly...? Or (and I find this more likely) is it possible that you require specific qualifiers prior to using it?

If the latter, it kinda blows your petulant premise "no is ever allowed to say or write..." out of the water.

[Pacifist Patriot]

195. At one time I would have agreed with you, but...

I'm beginning to believe there may be real value in quoting hate speech faithfully rather than softening the impact it has. The cop used the word, and I do think asterisks can visually and mentally lessen the emotional context of the original.

[WinkyDink]

24. I believe DU'ers are educated and well-aware. Your reasoning is specious. Why not edit?

[PsychGrad]

170. Because it's a quote.

I don't edit other people's words. He used the word, in all its ugliness, let him handle the fallout of that.

[stone space]

69. It's very personal for a lot of folks.

this is very personal for me

Whenever shit like this is allowed to stand, I question my own involvement here at DU.

Maybe it's time to stop posting at DU altogether.

[PsychGrad]

163. Because

I quoted a text from a racist? If that's all it takes to get you to disengage, then our fight is going to be even longer than I have previously imagined. You are giving them all the power of that word by not making people actually SEE it when they use it, or HEAR it when they use it. I don't think that using it will take its power away - but I think censoring it FOR them takes away the power that WE have against it - which is to let people see how ugly it is, to see the ugliness of its usage - and to not soften it so when people see it they don't actually have to see it. We don't have to agree, but you sent it to jury and they voted to leave it alone - so now what? I'm a racist bc I quoted a racist and didn't use ***** in place of the word that light skinned people have used for hundreds of years to insult those with dark skin?

Imo, you need to get a better grasp on this thing. Your personal vendetta against me bc I quoted a racist is weird and your focus is all messed up. You don't like seeing the word? Neither do I. So, how do we stop it from being seen? Not censoring it when it's every day vernacular for so many Americans, that's for damn sure. Pull it out into the light and let its ugliness be seen.

[stone space]

189. Because DU has aparently decided that...

...the use of the N-Word is acceptable here, even in thread titles.

That makes DU into a hostile environment for many of us.

It may be best to just leave.

Your personal vendetta against me

Wow!

Now we're getting into paranoia, aren't we?

I don't even know you, and so far as I know, I've never even seen you here before.

Why do some white folks consider it a personal vendetta whenever anybody objects to the use of the N-Word? Even people they don't know.

[PsychGrad]

192. Um....

You're way out in left field. First, you assumed I was white, with no information to back that up. Second, you posted multiple times in the thread telling people that I was white - as if I was a white person USING the word, not quoting it. I'm not sure what your issue is - the cop that texted the word should be where your anger and frustration is. If just SEEING the word typed out is that upsetting to you, I'm not sure how you read any news stories - or look at protest signs - or really, just walk around the earth. If you do indeed have a POC wife, how the hell are you so sensitive to it? At this point in my life, it's thrown at my husband and children so often that it seriously is just par for the course nowadays.

I do not like the word. I do not use the word. But this cop did, and I quoted him. So stop saying that I "USED" the word when I clearly did not and stop trying to turn this around like I'm a racist white person and getting defensive bc someone objected to me using the word. I didn't use the word - look up "use" and then "quote".

[stone space]

199. I said it once, in reply to somebody who suggested that you might be Black.

First, you assumed I was white, with no information to back that up. Second, you posted multiple times in the thread telling people that I was white

And no, there was no guessing or assuming involved.

[TeamPooka]

164. We know the word is ugly. Now you are too for using it.

You're new here so know this is the kind of action that gets you blocked by other users, like me, so we will never hear any point you want to make here again.
because you blew this one badly.
Bye.

#blockeduser

[PsychGrad]

167. I'm not new... lol

I've been here for years. And, block away. I got no use for timid people who claim to be in the fight but can't even see a word typed out. And I didn't use the word, the cop in the article did and I quoted him. You're an idiot.

[LanternWaste]

200. You're becoming irrational. Quick... blame someone to rationalize it!

You're becoming irrational. Quick... blame someone to rationalize it (oh, I see you already are)!

[PsychGrad]

202. what? lol

[Live and Learn]

9. I would usually agree but right now (and hopefully an extremely limited future)

I understand why the OP felt the need to use it to make a point.

The term is being used freely these days on the "other" boards and we need to acknowledge the use and prejudices being expressed whether we like it or not.

[PsychGrad]

18. Exactly.

It has quotes, I didn't say it, this police officer did. I'm tired of softening their blows for them.

[VanillaRhapsody]

151. Exactly....thank you! Eloquently put...

[cwydro]

21. I agree. nt

[delrem]

23. I agree.

This should be pretty damn obvious.

[bemildred]

32. I concur.

Anybody can throw shit, I mean you can, but it just makes the place shitty when someone insists on demonstrating how to do it.

[demmiblue]

72. +1

[steve2470]

73. totally agree nt

[stevenleser]

85. I don't like it either, but historically DU has said its ok if quoting others. I think if we are

going to decide that those kind of words should not be written out even if quoting, and I would be completely OK with that, it should be submitted to admins and made a DU rule.

[joshcryer]

201. Neat, more than a third of replies to the thread are here.

In this subthread.

For the easy derailment.

Hey, I'm contributing, but it's over one third of replies already, not like I can make it worse.

[Live and Learn]

6. Read the cop forums and blogs. They are equally as frightening. nt

[PsychGrad]

8. where are they?

[Live and Learn]

10. There are many but here is one that has recently made the news for being vile:

http://community.policeone.com/general-discussion/

To find others just do a search for officer or cop forums. I can guarantee you will find frightening stuff on all of them.

[malaise]

11. You might want to edit that title n/t

[VanillaRhapsody]

13. That is what the guy said.....that would be like taking it out of Tom Sawyer...

its a quote...and it should be shocking...

[cwydro]

22. Comparing this OP

to great American literature is beyond ridiculous.

[VanillaRhapsody]

148. Not comparing the OP to Twain...don't be ridiculous...

You make it sound like I was approving of the quote itself...

I am comparing the word itself, just the word....removing it from either has an effect on context. That is all...

Don't read more into it than there was...

[LanternWaste]

204. True. It's nothing more than rationalizing its use. Not surprising at all.

"Don't read more into it than there was..."

True. It's nothing more than rationalizing its use. Not surprising at all.

[bemildred]

31. Being shocking is rude, people don't want to be shocked by random posters on the internet. nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

145. huh?????

Are you kidding me?

Seeing "a guy in a White hood" is shocking....its rude...don't show that!

[bemildred]

161. Being incoherent doesn't help either. nt

[cali]

76. uh no. not close. not in the same ball park. NOTHING like it. duh.

[VanillaRhapsody]

143. He is NOT the one saying it.....its a quote....

Go to the South...if you are White you hear this on a regular basis...its THAT bad. Lets not sugar coat these racist assholes....show them for the scum that they are! Rip off those hoods!

[DeSwiss]

15. The moniker ''PsychGrad '' is the giveaway. :-/ n/t

[malaise]

16. Wink

[PsychGrad]

17. Meaning?

[DeSwiss]

34. !

- You choose.

[bemildred]

35. +1. nt

[cwydro]

36. + 2

[PsychGrad]

169. No idea...

what being a Psychologist has to do with anything at all, but okay.

[PsychGrad]

181. Really?

I've been here for years and nobody has ever said anything about my name. I'm sure you think you're on to something really deep here, but you're wrong. I'm a Psychologist, and I shared an article, and I quoted a racist cop. End of story, but carry on with your theories I guess, lol

[ReRe]

14. Guess what?

I hate bigot cops. That is all.

[sakabatou]

26. How the hell did they get on the force?

[TheCowsCameHome]

27. Please edit your title.

I don't know how anyone can type those words, quote or not.

We get the idea, thank you.

[earthside]

131. Time to get real.

One of the reasons we don't have an honest, upfront discussion of race in this country is because too many are simply afraid to tell it like it is.

Yes, there are racist, bigoted people out there that use that word.

We're not going to be able to confront the hate and malice in our culture if we insist on 'sensitivity' and timidity and censorship. Maybe we need to offend the gentle sensibilities of some liberals and progressives who get upset over what the bigots are really saying and believing in out in real America.

It is ugly and there is no way to pretty it up.

Frankly, I suspect that we are going to be hearing a lot more of this as the Tea Party reactionaries get so riled-up that they cannot help but spew their venom. The barely disguised racism of the Obama birth certificate tactic simply will not suffice for these low-lifes -- they are going to want to go full-out.

And we better be ready to deal with that and talk about it forthrightly and boldly.

[stone space]

136. And in here

Yes, there are racist, bigoted people out there that use that word.

[VanillaRhapsody]

153. the one thing we have....SHAME THEM....thats why you don't sugar coat it....

who is it really making it easier for?

[PsychGrad]

166. Yes.

And, as uneasy as it made people here who claim to be "in the fight" against it just to SEE it, in quotes - imagine how it feels to hear it, daily, thrown at you with hatred and disgust.

I agree. There is no way to pretty it up. I'm not doing their work for them, the racists, by letting them throw this damn word around UNTIL it becomes public, then we use N******. Not nearly the same ugliness though, is it?

And, exactly - how do we confront things if we aren't even willing to SEE a word typed out in a quote? It's like, giving a fainting couch to those that can't even see it typed out in a quote - seriously people, I hear this word all the time aimed at my children or my husband. This is their reality - and I'm tired of not talking about it and saying, "Oh, he called my son the N word"... That's not what he called my son at all bc that doesn't turn my stomach.

[TheCowsCameHome]

185. Well, fine then.

I won't utter or write that word, though. Sorry.

[CincyDem]

29. John Crawford III's last trip to Walmart was about 5 miles outside Montgomery Co.

Makes you wonder what's on the personal cell phones of the cops he crossed paths with.

[bemildred]

30. "So, is that your primary job skill?" nt

[steve2470]

33. Edit your title please, it's offensive to most DU'ers nt

[LawDeeDah]

43. Yes it is. We don't have to hear it to know it.

I hate these 'educational' posts.

[steve2470]

45. agreed nt

[adigal]

38. Don't edit it...we should be shocked that cops used that word

Let's not censor them.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

44. There's a good reason to edit it.

Not everyone logs on from home, some are from public facilities which have software that prevents people from even viewing pages that have such language. When you put such words in the title, you're blocking those people from viewing any page on which this OP's title shows up. If he REALLY feels the words needs to be explicitly spelled out, it should be in the body of the text, not the headline, so that the only page blocked from view is the post itself.

[hexola]

59. That's a really LAME reason!!!

tough crap for them!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

74. Ah, so screw poor people, DU is only for people who can afford home internet?

Glad to know where you stand.

[hexola]

79. That is an even lamer reason.

Glad to know you're a censor-ist.

[hexola]

84. It would certainly be no more effective getting by content blockers.

Enjoy your Ostrich-eye view of the world.

[stone space]

104. I guess that you found out below that...

...there still are things that can be said here on DU that can get your post hidden.

Maybe if you had used the N-word, your post might have survived jury review?

[B Calm]

61. It's the PC Police. When people are turned off by all the

poltical correctness they start looking at the Republican party. What's the Matter With Kansas touches on this subject.

[blackspade]

39. It seems that this type of racism is endemic in police departments.

And has been for a long time.

[Marrah_G]

40. It is a little scary how openly racist many people are online

Makes you wonder if they act this way in offline and in public.

[LawDeeDah]

41. And I can't believe you had to title this thread as you did.

or can I.

[mythology]

42. I do wonder

how does one go about finding out that their coworkers are fine with that sort of language? It's not like you can send one of those texts and if they aren't okay with it, pretend you didn't say it.

It's kind of like those cops who were stealing naked pictures from the cell phones of women they stopped/arrested and sending the pictures around.

All it takes is sending it to the wrong person and then you're up a creek.

[stone space]

46. 3-4 to keep?? Seriously??

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[LawDeeDah]

48. what the crispy fuck is wrong with some people.

This should have been a full hide.
Titles like these should always be suspicious, it doesn't take a pysch major to figure out what the deal is here.

[stone space]

52. There is an ongoing problem here at DU reguarding...

...the use of the N-word.

I've had it thrown at me several times here out of the blue for no reason, even after requesting that it stop.

We need to stop supporting this sort of bullshit here at DU.

[The_Commonist]

49. That's exactly the edit I was just about to suggest.

That's all your post needed, was for the quote to be put it quotes.

[PsychGrad]

168. it IS in quotes.

[hexola]

53. Censoring preserves the word's power...

Lets not do that...

Lenny Bruce used to do a great piece on this...

[hexola]

56. Lenny Bruce

Are there any niggers here tonight?

From the album "Lenny Bruce Is Out Again"

[hexola]

54. HATE is the word to be concerned about. (nt)

[Iggo]

55. Yay, Cops!

They're the best!

[Iggo]

58. Do NOT edit your title.

That's what he said. Don't sugarcoat it.

[annabanana]

60. +1. . . . n/t

[snpsmom]

62. If you can get over your own preciousness

Maybe you can spare a moment to think about the effect your title might have on others. I'm not advocating you delete the story, it needs to be told. But making this your title is an assault. It cannot be avoided. You show a distinct lack of empathy and concern for others.

[PsychGrad]

171. Because I quoted a racist?

That means I lack empathy? Wtf? People here are really disappointing me with this whole thing. And I'm not deleting it nor am I editing it. I stand by typing out the quote as it was. And another poster is right - so many people are focused on the quote that they aren't even discussing the police officers and their behavior or lack of punishment. Nice. Some of you are really backwards about this, seriously. I didn't use the word, this cop did. Aiming your frustration and hate at me is silly and completely unproductive. But okay - never mind - those of us who are a little stronger will fight the fight FOR you. Jesus fucking christ.

[snpsmom]

191. Because you made it your title

You're being disingenuous.

[PsychGrad]

194. It was the title of the link that showed up in my feed on another site.

[bobclark86]

197. "But making this your title is an assault. It cannot be avoided."

Exactly. As it SHOULD be, as it was meant as an ASSAULT by the cop. That is WHY the OP used that word. It SHOULDN'T be avoided.

[YarnAddict]

63. I hate

that word. And I don't think it's acceptable to use it, even when quoting others.

[hexola]

65. Please edit your title - the word HATE is offensive to some.

[B Calm]

66. +1

[gollygee]

67. Very dismissive

The word in the title has a historical context that the word "hate" doesn't have. It smacks of entitelment to dismiss that context and compare it to irrelevant words.

[hexola]

71. HATE is the relevant word...If the cop said "I hate Black People"

It would be no less outrageous..and just as sinister.

History changes words...

"Gay" has a historical context that it does not have today...

"We'll all feel gay when Johnny Comes Marching Home"

Censoring preserves it's power.

[gollygee]

77. The people who get to choose how to use words that have been used to dehumanized them

are the people those words have been used to dehumanize.

[PsychGrad]

173. So -

because I'm white, I can't quote it? What if, my life partner is black? What if, my young children are bi-racial? Am I not allowed to stand up and fight the fight for them? Because - I have to do it in the streets constantly - I can't believe I'm having to do it here too simply bc I quoted someone else. There are quotes around it, showing that they are NOT my words.

Seriously people, you are disappointing me beyond belief. I have been reading here for YEARS bc it's a break from the racism I deal with daily IRL. And here, with this - I find, that many of you are so much more concerned with the fact that I quoted someone using a nasty word than you are with the fact that the nasty word was used (by POLICE OFFICERS) in the first place.

Again, I'm not editing it - I'm not deleting it. Look at it, see what this police officer said in all its ugliness, and if you choose to aim your hatred towards me bc of what he said - then so be it, I've been handling this type of shit for years and have a strong back. But, your desire to protect the police officer by softening his words for him is overtaking your common sense.

[antiquie]

68. Vomit, Trash, Ignore, Logout, YouWin.

[ellenrr]

88. all the cops that dehumanize black folk - that is what they think. just not all of them say it. nt

[CBGLuthier]

92. Would everyone who insists the word should be used in the title and is black

please raise your hands.

Yeah, that's what i thought. Word to the fucking clueless. if you are white you really suck if you argue for your right to use that word.

[hexola]

94. Would everyone who insists the word be censored in the title and is black

please raise your hands.

Yeah, that's what i thought. Word to the fucking clueless. if you are white you really suck if you argue for censorship.

[tkmorris]

98. You really should take it down a notch or two

There's no need to be so... frothy.

[hexola]

101. You're replying to the wrong person...

I was mocking the post above mine.

[steve2470]

96. agreed nt

[Glassunion]

113. * Hand raised *

[lonestarnot]

95. Suspended? That's it?

[tkmorris]

97. I notice the Ohio Deputies are getting off scott free in this thread

That's a shame.

[PsychGrad]

174. It is.

And I've become a villain for quoting them. I think I may have found part of the problem of why this stuff is still happening. People are very easily thrown off track just by simply seeing the word - they turn away and hide from it.

[CountAllVotes]

102. Did you "get" what you wanted by posting this?

What kind of a damned idiot are you anyway posting such racist/hateful crap?

It's ok though 'cause the "jury" says so right?

Do the right thing and delete your post and SHAME ON YOU!!!

[Nye Bevan]

107. He is not the first DUer to use the n-word in full in a post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1354994&mesg_id=1355022

[CountAllVotes]

112. John Lennon wrote that song

and yes, that is the name of it and it is about inequality and women and I stand by my words and thoughts on this issue and the role and perceived role of women in our society.

[Atman]

103. I got a jury hide for using this term -- IN CONTEXT -- in the body of a post.

It was a post about language and the meaning of words. Much like the responses in this thread. But a DU jury decided my entire thread should be locked and I got a suspension just for using the so-called "N word" in a thread about language. This place never ceases to amaze me!

[Nye Bevan]

105. Skinner himself has been known to use the actual "n" word in his posts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2775813&mesg_id=2775835

[PsychGrad]

175. It is a direct quote...

And as far as I'm aware, DU allows direct quotes. It would be different if these were MY words, they are in quotes and obviously are not my words.

[olddots]

106. well I hate psych grads

-zzzzzzzz-zz

[Odin2005]

114. People in this post seem to be more outraged over your thread title...

...than the topic at hand.

Fuck this kind of pearl-clutching. This is the same mentality when I got scolded for saying that rapists think that they are "entitled to pussy". Some people have absolutely zero awareness of nuance and context.

[greyl]

155. Yep, people can be really dumb. nt

[Rhinodawg]

115. Folks...dont give this word power it doesnt deserve.

power to scare
power to delete
power to hide.

[William769]

117. It has already been given the power.

It was not hidden by a jury, nor was it locked by hosts. That word could have been done like this N$#@&%s but it wasn't.

Many people today just has empowered that word on DU. All I can do is shed tears that this is acceptable and that people can't or don't want to see the hurt that this word brings just by being written.

I for one will publicity apologize to the African community on DU for even having to see this word printed here.

[sheshe2]

123. That is just plain ugly!

What the hell is wrong with DU, William? To not get a host lock at the very least? Nothing surprises me anymore.

Tears

[hexola]

129. Im sure the officers involved appreciate your efforts to have their words censored.

They would be the benefactors of the censorship...

Do you really think this word is going to change hearts and minds at DU...?

[stone space]

130. It's going to push some of us away from DU.

Do you really think this word is going to change hearts and minds at DU...?

For some of us, this will be the last straw.

[hexola]

133. For some of us, this is a re-hash and has been discussed many times...

And DU goes on...

[LawDeeDah]

124. just too sad...

DU is plummeting into a septic tank if the people here allow this sort of awful stuff.

Hello, Boss? you There? Do you Care?

[stone space]

128. +1000 (nt)

[Comrade Grumpy]

121. People are so offended by the word, they forgot to get mad at the cops. Weird.

[Rhinodawg]

122. As usual Grumpy... YOU NAILED IT !!

[hexola]

126. Really? Arent there major protesets happening nationwide...

Sitting at a computer is doing nothing...

[Comrade Grumpy]

139. I mean many of the posters on this thread. n/t

[William769]

127. Nationwide protests going on, I think we got that covered.

Sitting here on DU typing is not going to change that.

But what is written on DU can be changed by typing here on DU.

At least I know where you are coming from now. But then again I have known all along.

[Comrade Grumpy]

140. "At least I know where you are coming from now. But then again I have known all along."

I don't understand what you mean. Where am I coming from? And how did you know this all along?

[Quayblue]

150. That is pretty weird. I almost forgot what the topic was.

[LanternWaste]

208. You then believe no one is angry and frustrated with the cops? Cool blinders you wear...

You then believe no one is angry and frustrated with the cops? Cool blinders you wear... I hope they've got a nice paint job.

Weird, part II

[joshcryer]

210. Basically.

Mind you, I'm on the fence with this one, but no jury would hide it with everyone "discussing" whether or not it was "OK" to use the word. Had the discussion gone on, without the derailment, it may have been hidden. I am bothered that it is a thread title, though, since it is a shitty word to use. I know it is hurtful at such a high context.

[hexola]

125. Do you all freak out when you hear the word used in comedy?

How about Larry David/Curb Your Enthusiasm and the "Krazee-Eyez Killa" episode?

Funny or offensive?

[bravenak]

132. Guess what? Fuck tha Police!!!!!

I don't CARE about your subject line!!!!!! THEY should be ashamed, not YOU!!!

[stone space]

134. Please delete and repost at Discussionist, where it will be better appreciated.

Thank You.

[Kalidurga]

135. You know who should feel the most shame is the COPS that used the word

and they should be even more ashamed that they hate people based on the color of their skin.


AND everyone here should be ashamed of themselves for not LOUDLY denouncing the COPS.

FUCK THE RACIST COPS. I hope they get fired. I hope all their cases are open for review.

[hexola]

137. THAT goes without saying...

So why do so many want to protect them with censorship?

[Kalidurga]

138. I have no idea

I have read all kinds of things in my life. One of my favorite authors is Mark Twain. I wouldn't want his work censored, but it was. There is no reason for it mature people should understand the reason people use the words in the context that they use them. The OP is in the context of not protecting cops by sugar coating what they said. It's tragic if people are disturbed more by the OP than the FREAKING RACIST PIGS.

[PsychGrad]

179. Thank you.

I can't believe how people are angry at me bc I quoted them. People here are so focused on trying to force me to change his quote that they can't even see the forest for the trees. I'm disappointed, to say the least. As someone who has fought the good fight for years regarding racism that people are acting as if I used the word. I would never use the word, never have, and certainly never will. But, this was a quote - and I thought it needed to be seen, especially since it came from police officers and with the issues we have going on with all of the young black men being murdered by police officers.

I may have to take a break from DU - as others have insisted they must bc I quoted someone - bc I'm not sure that I can be part of a community who is so easily distracted from the issue at hand. Or, part of a community that believes that its' MY job to censor what racist assholes say.

[steve2470]

141. for the record, all those cops should be fired, a no brainer to me nt

[Blue_Tires]

144. Not surprised in the least...

[polynomial]

146. Free speech is a first amendment right

Free speech is a first amendment right. This right does not specify how good the words should be, or define how bad the words can’t be.

It is alarming that we all can trash talk and make lies in politics, really stretch the truth in commercials, or be educated by television and Hollywood to pantomime the exact definition of a nigger.

When many think through this divisive characteristic many realize it is the media in clever programming that exploits a lot of that definition without saying the word nigger…

If it was talked about fairly most of time the word nigger is not in a lot of conversation. It is rare when that does appear around me, and I avoid it because of the very definition it represents.

However, it’s not the “word nigger” it is the definition of the word nigger that is repulsive, and it not only applies to black people it applies to any color.

Blacks do not have priority on it. One of the famous stupid race comments by Eastwood “ Make my day Punk!!! “ should be just as disgusting.

Or instead of Bush being a profiteer sacking the treasury creating a war with lies torturing people, or creating the worst economic down turn since the depression we could call Bush a white knuckle nigger.

[hexola]

152. If we submit to censorship, we can never say FUCK the POLICE! (nt)

[AverageJoe90]

149. Sadly, quite a number of the few remaining racists out there are still pretty open about it.....

Probably because, it seems to me at least, they know that their worldview is slowly dying and being made obsolete.....and so they lash out at the world.

And I agree 100% with you on this; get the racists out of police departments across the country.

[Howler]

160. unfortunately

One of these guys lives a couple of houses down from me. He is a tea party republican that openly displays misogyny on a regular basis. I had never seen his racist tendencies but it is doubtful he would ever displayed them to me because of our political discussions and the different hues of skin color in my family. He is going through a divorce with his wife and treating her and the kids they had together like shit! He has the whole good ole boy network working for him and against her!

[Howler]

165. this guy is

On the swat team and a detective with internal affairs.

[marym625]

187. After the trolls seeing on twitter that go after me

And so many others, not at all surprised. Glad they were caught

[Blue_In_AK]

207. I don't fault you at all

for using the direct quote. The hatefulness needs to be seen and absorbed.

[William769]

213. Locking.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2775813&mesg_id=2775835